eVGA 560 2Win vs. GTX580/70 vs Kepler

[lOl_lol_lOl]

Hi Everyone, I am fortunate to be a member of this wonderful forum and would like some help with a VGA/Mobo problem. If my writing style sucks I apologise but I dont want to write a long post nobody will read.

I purchased a 2500k and sabertooth p67 system with a 6950 a year ago . On arrival there was no POST and Red VGA light. I bought a replacement 9500GT and couldn't return the 6950 because of cost/distance. Alot of people have the same problem with this mobo. Its an issue with the mobo and PSU compatibility. A local store tested the 6950 and said it was dead, but Iam not sure. I now want to buy a good VGA and forget the 6950. So,

1. Should I buy the 560 2win (legitreviews has it >7970 and 580 by a long shot)?
2. Should I buy a nice evga/asus 580?
3. Nah, should I wait for kepler and buy a 560ti/570?
4. Return the mobo to Asus and demand a new one/ Buy a new mobo.
5. Change the PSU.

Thanks for your help. :thumbsup:

 

[Arkadrel]

1) 560 2win


Kepler might be months and months away.
And the 560 2win offers much more peformance/$ than buying a 580 does.
So I think thats the best option of the bunch (depends on how the 8800 is handling your gameing atm).

Make sure your PSU is "strong" enough to support a 2500k + 560 2Win before buying.... and/or buy a new PSU at the same time, if its not.

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

Make sure your PSU is "strong" enough to support a 2500k + 560 2Win before buying.... and/or buy a new PSU at the same time, if its not.

Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 800W. Its not on the Sabertooth p67 manuals compatibility list. Most of the people have solved vga/boot issues with PSU replacement. Others the mobo and some the Video card itself.

Thank you for your response.

 

[MrTeal]

Is there a reason you want the 2Win? If you have two PCIe slots in your board, you could pick up two 560Ti - 448 cores for the same price, which would be faster than the 2Win, or two 560Tis which would be $100 cheaper.

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

Is there a reason you want the 2Win? If you have two PCIe slots in your board, you could pick up two 560Ti - 448 cores for the same price, which would be faster than the 2Win, or two 560Tis which would be $100 cheaper.

I am a bit weary of shipping one card...let alone two. But the P67 Sabertooth runs the second slot at x8 with SLI. Also, space is a problem, I want to use the PCI slot for a sound card.

But the 560 448 x2...Does SLI have the same issues as the 2win? also does x8 affect reduce performance alot?

 

[MrTeal]

The 2win is basically just two GPUs on the same card. They have their own power supplies and everything. Any issues that two 560 Tis have in SLI as far as game compatibility, the 2Win will also have.

Also, with the 2Win you're running two GPUs over a 16x interface. I can't see how that would be faster than running two GPUs each with their own 8x interface. I wouldn't worry about bandwidth with those cards. PCI2.0 x16 is equivalent to PCI3.0 x8 while 2.0 x8 is equivalent to 3.0 x4.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5458/the-radeon-hd-7970-reprise-pcie-bandwidth-overclocking-and-msaa
Even with a 7970, there isn't a big penalty going from x8 to x4 in most games, even at a worst case of 1680x1050. With a 560Ti, PCI2.0 x8 bandwidth should be plenty.

 

[Snowshredder102]

Unless you're running at a super low resolution, I would do myself a favor and get something else. The downfall of the 2win is it has too much raw power to VRAM ration (1GB). While it's a very powerful video card I feel that it will not be future proof to next gen games that require more VRAM.

 

[thilanliyan]

Get either a 580 or 7970. Unless you have a specific reason for sticking to nV.

 

[Smartazz]

The eVGA 2win has a lack of video memory. I'd go with the 7970 if you're looking at high end cards.

 

[Johnny Doe]

The 560 2Win is a P.O.C. It's the same card as the 460 2Win with 560 cores on it since the 460 was pin-compatible with the 560 Ti. Low PCB quality, overpriced (at Newegg prices), has incompatibilities with some boards, lacks future SLi proofing, lacks vRAM so on and so forth.

Get a 7950. It's a much more refined, excellent card. Make it Twin-Frozr as well.

 

[Smartazz]

The 560 2Win is a P.O.C. It's the same card as the 460 2Win with 560 cores on it since the 460 was pin-compatible with the 560 Ti. Low PCB quality, overpriced (at Newegg prices), has incompatibilities with some boards, lacks future SLi proofing, lacks vRAM so on and so forth.

Get a 7950. It's a much more refined, excellent card. Make it Twin-Frozr as well.

I agree, except I think that he should go for the 7970. The 7950 is priced too closely to AMD's halo card imo.

 

[Johnny Doe]

I agree, except I think that he should go for the 7970. The 7950 is priced too closely to AMD's halo card imo.

Both are excellent cards IMO. You can't really go wrong with either the 7950 or the 7970. The 7970 is the king of the hill, but the 7950 is cheaper and has significantly lower power consumption. And it's not much slower than the 7970 anyway. :hmm:

 

[x3sphere]

the 560 2 win is not ahead of the 7970 by a long shot. They are almost neck and neck.

If you OC both, the 7970 is considerably faster, has more VRAM and no dual GPU issues.

 

[nanaki333]

i think the 2win series still requires the board to support sli with 2x pcie slots for it to work in sli. at least according to a lot of the reviews on newegg for the 460 2win. maybe they changed it, i dunno.

 

[Johnny Doe]

i think the 2win series still requires the board to support sli with 2x pcie slots for it to work in sli. at least according to a lot of the reviews on newegg for the 460 2win. maybe they changed it, i dunno.

Technically, the card doesn't require an SLi board since it's already SLi'ed onboard with an NF200 chip, like the 9800 GX2. But I've seen a number of people having issues with the 460 2Win on non-SLi boards over eVGA forums. So it can be said that the card has incompatibility issues.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

Technically, the card doesn't require an SLi board since it's already SLi'ed onboard with an NF200 chip, like the 9800 GX2. But I've seen a number of people having issues with the 460 2Win on non-SLi boards over eVGA forums. So it can be said that the card has incompatibility issues.

Isn't the 2 win a failed 570? Lol

 

[Johnny Doe]

Isn't the 2 win a failed 570? Lol

Well, it's built on 560 Ti cores. eVGA claims that POS is a GTX 585... lol.

 

[nitromullet]

Isn't the 2 win a failed 570? Lol

No, you're thinking of the GTX 560Ti 448 core. The GTX 560 and 560Ti are versions of the GF114 gpu, and so is the 2win. The 2win is just GTX 560Ti SLI'ed on a single PCB.

A GTX 560Ti 448 core, GTX 570, and GTX 580 are all based on GF110. The GTX 580 is the only one with a fully functioning gpu.

Personally, I'd get two GTX 560Ti's in SLI over a 2win, but the GTX 560Ti 448 core is a better card than the GTX 560Ti period.

 

[3DVagabond]

Do you live somewhere that makes shipping real difficult/expensive? Is that why you haven't returned the 6950? If so, you might be better off paying a bit more and buying locally.

What's your resolution?

 

[T_Yamamoto]

No, you're thinking of the GTX 560Ti 448 core. The GTX 560 and 560Ti are versions of the GF114 gpu, and so is the 2win. The 2win is just GTX 560Ti SLI'ed on a single PCB.

A GTX 560Ti 448 core, GTX 570, and GTX 580 are all based on GF110. The GTX 580 is the only one with a fully functioning gpu.

Personally, I'd get two GTX 560Ti's in SLI over a 2win, but the GTX 560Ti 448 core is a better card than the GTX 560Ti period.

thanks for clearing that up, i forgot there was another 560ti xD

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

Do you live somewhere that makes shipping real difficult/expensive? Is that why you haven't returned the 6950? If so, you might be better off paying a bit more and buying locally.

What's your resolution?

Sorry for the late response. My resolution is 1920 x 1080 and I will run this single monitor into mid 2013. Yes, I work in Africa, and I can only go on holidays to buy computer hardware. I bought the card from Superbiz, who said they would accept a return...but Fedex/UPS and co all demanded $260 for shipping only...

 

[nanaki333]

Technically, the card doesn't require an SLi board since it's already SLi'ed onboard with an NF200 chip, like the 9800 GX2. But I've seen a number of people having issues with the 460 2Win on non-SLi boards over eVGA forums. So it can be said that the card has incompatibility issues.

yeah. i should have been more careful with my wording. all the reviews i read on newegg, the overall rating was pretty piss poor. with a chief complaint being it would not work on their non-sli board. i don't know how nvidia could f-that up. i would think a target market for a dual-GPU card would be folks who cheaped out on a mobo and only had 1 pcie x16, then later decided they wanted dual-GPU.