Everything You Need to Know About Global Warming in 5 Minutes

shira

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I post a lot of articles on Climate Change, but I just came across this new piece In Jeremy Grantham's 2nd Quarter newletter on the GMO website:

http://www.gmo.com/websitecontent/JGLetter_SummerEssays_2Q10.pdf

Many of these points have been made before. But Grantham puts them together cogently and moderately This article may seem like a "wall of text," but it's a very fast and wonderful read.

Everything You Need to Know About Global Warming in 5 Minutes

1) The amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere, after at least several hundred thousand years of remaining within a constant range, started to rise with the advent of the Industrial Revolution. It has increased by almost 40% and is rising each year. This is certain and straightforward.

2) One of the properties of CO2 is that it creates a greenhouse effect and, all other things being equal, an increase in its concentration in the atmosphere causes the Earth’s temperature to rise. This is just physics. (The amount of other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as methane, has also risen steeply since industrialization, which has added to the impact of higher CO2 levels.)

3) Several other factors, like changes in solar output, have major influences on climate over millennia,but these effects have been observed and measured. They alone cannot explain the rise in the global temperature over the past 50 years.

4) The uncertainties arise when it comes to the interaction between greenhouse gases and other factors in the complicated climate system. It is impossible to be sure exactly how quickly or how much the temperature will rise. But, the past can be measured. The temperature has indeed steadily risen over the past century while greenhouse gas levels have increased. But the forecasts still range very widely for what will happen in the future, ranging from a small but still potentially harmful rise of 1 to 2 degrees Fahrenheit to a potentially disastrous level of +6 to +10 degrees Fahrenheit within this century. A warmer atmosphere melts glaciers and ice sheets, and causes global sea levels to rise. A warmer atmosphere also contains more energy and holds more water, changing the global occurrences of storms, floods, and other extreme weather events.

5) Skeptics argue that this wide range of uncertainty about future temperature changes lowers the need to act: “Why spend money when you’re not certain?” But since the penalties can rise at an accelerating rate at the tail, a wider range implies a greater risk (and a greater expected value of the costs.) This is logically and mathematicallyrigorous and yet is still argued.

6) Pascal asks the question: What is the expected value of a very small chance of an infinite loss? And, he answers, “Infinite.” In this example, what is the cost of lowering CO2 output and having the long-term effect of increasing CO2 turn out to be nominal? The cost appears to be equal to foregoing, once in your life, six months’ to one year’s global growth – 2% to 4% or less. The benefits, even with no warming, include: energy independence from the Middle East; more jobs, since wind and solar power and increased efficiency are more labor-intensive than another coal-fired power plant; less pollution of streams and air; and an early leadership role for the U.S. in industries that will inevitably become important. Conversely, what are the costs of not acting on prevention when the results turn out to be serious: costs that may dwarf those for prevention; and probable political destabilization from droughts, famine, mass migrations, and even war. And, to Pascal’s real point, what might be the cost at the very extreme end of the distribution: definitely life changing, possibly life threatening.

7) The biggest cost of all from global warming is likely to be the accumulated loss of biodiversity. This features nowhere in economic cost-benefit analysis because, not surprisingly, it is hard to put a price on that which is priceless.

8) A special word on the right-leaning think tanks: As libertarians, they abhor the need for government spending or even governmental leadership, which in their opinion is best left to private enterprise. In general, this may be an excellent idea. But global warming is a classic tragedy of the commons – seeking your own individual advantage, for once, does not lead to the common good, and the problem desperately needs government leadership and regulation. Sensing this, these think tanks have allowed their drive for desirable policy to trump science. Not a good idea

9) Also, I should make a brief note to my own group – die hard contrarians. Dear fellow contrarians, I know the majority is usually wrong in the behavioral jungle of the stock market. And Heaven knows I have seen the soft scientists who lead finance theory attempt to bully their way to a uniform acceptance of the bankrupt theory of rational expectations and market efficiency. But climate warming involves hard science. The two most prestigious bastions of hard science are the National Academy in the U.S. and the Royal Society in the U.K., to which Isaac Newton and the rest of that huge 18th century cohort of brilliant scientists elonged. The presidents of both societies wrote a note recently, emphasizing the seriousness of the climate problem and that it was manmade. Both societies have also made full reports on behalf of their membership stating the same. Do we believe the whole elite of science is in a conspiracy? At some point in the development of a scientifi c truth, contrarians risk becoming flat earthers.

10) Conspiracy theorists claim to believe that global warming is a carefully constructed hoax driven by scientists desperate for … what? Being needled by nonscientific newspaper reports, by blogs, and by right-wing politicians and think tanks? Most hard scientists hate themselves or their colleagues for being in the news. Being a climate scientist spokesman has already become a hindrance to an academic career, including tenure. I have a much simpler but plausible “conspiracy theory”: that fossil energy companies, driven by the need to protect hundreds of billions of dollars of profits, encourage obfuscation of the inconvenient scientific results.

11) Why are we arguing the issue? Challenging vested interests as powerful as the oil and coal lobbies was never going to be easy. Scientists are not naturally aggressive defenders of arguments. In short, they are conservatives by training: never, ever risk overstating your ideas. The skeptics are far, far more determined and expert propagandists to boot. They are also well funded. That smoking caused cancer was obfuscated deliberately and effectively for 20 years at a cost of hundreds of thousands of extra deaths. We know that for certain now, yet those who caused this fatal delay have never been held accountable. The profits of the oil and coal industry make tobacco’s resources look like a rounding error. In some notable cases, the obfuscators of global warming actually use the same “experts” as the tobacco industry did! The obfuscators’ simple and direct motivation – making money in the near term, which anyone can relate to – combined with their resources and, as it turns out, propaganda talents, have meant that we are arguing the science long after it has been nailed down. I, for one, admire them for their P.R. skills, while wondering, as always: “Have they no grandchildren?”

12) Almost no one wants to change. The long-established status quo is very comfortable, and we are used to its defi ciencies. But for this problem we must change. This is never easy.

13) Almost everyone wants to hear good news. They want to believe that dangerous global warming is a hoax. They, therefore, desperately want to believe the skeptics. This is a problem for all of us.

Postscript
Global warming will be the most important investment issue for the foreseeable future. But how to make money around this issue in the next few years is not yet clear to me. In a fast-moving fi eld rife with treacherous politics, there will be many failures. Marketing a “climate” fund would be much easier than outperforming with it.
 
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JS80

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Everything You Need to Know About Global Warming in two words: Political Tool
 

Kappo

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Everything You Need to Know About Global Warming in two words: Political Tool

Which is actually pretty sad for the fact that there is no "evidence" that can be trusted. I personally feel that *of course* we have an impact on the Earth, everything does. We happen to be the highest on the food chain (although my dog may disagree) so of course we have the highest footprint.

I'm less worried about putting ourselves in an uninhabitable environment than I am just respecting the areas you live, work, play. How arrogant can we be to think that the Earth is immune to evolution and will not adapt as it sees fit?
 

shira

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Everything You Need to Know About Global Warming in two words: Political Tool

And your opinion that Grantham is a "political tool" is based on what evidence?

Oh, wait, let me guess: If someone believes that MMCC is true, and writes about it, they're a "political tool" by definition. And you don't have to pay attention to anything they say.
 

shira

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Which is actually pretty sad for the fact that there is no "evidence" that can be trusted. I personally feel that *of course* we have an impact on the Earth, everything does. We happen to be the highest on the food chain (although my dog may disagree) so of course we have the highest footprint.

I'm less worried about putting ourselves in an uninhabitable environment than I am just respecting the areas you live, work, play. How arrogant can we be to think that the Earth is immune to evolution and will not adapt as it sees fit?

Who's claiming the that the PLANET won't "adapt" to climate change? Natural selection and evolution will occur - and life (in some form or another) on earth will persist - even if mean temperatures go up 50 degrees. The same would be true if all-out nuclear war were waged or if a huge asteroid collided with earth.

But it's not "arrogance" to object to a future is which human existence on earth is dramatically changed - or humanity is extinct.
 

jackschmittusa

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Nice article.

Don't worry though, when climate change becomes obvious to the most casual observer, many will still not want to do anything, claiming it is the end times, or tribulation or whatever.

Not that I"ll be around long enough to see the worst of it, but I have resigned myself to the probability that the greedy and the ignorant will insure that the planet will get to see devastating changes due to climate.
 

Kappo

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The Earth is going to adapt us right off the face of it if we don't start respecting it a bit more.

We are the cockroaches of the civilized world. We also can adapt. Think : Air Conditioning and Heaters.

What's funny is that people want to watch billions of people starve to death saving something that was supposed to have died 20 years ago in order to save lives.

Destroy industry and who will own a plane? That shit costs money and when no one has any... you see where this is going. THEN who will feel the people in the desert and bring them supplies? :|
 

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Yawn, another day another Shira post on global warming. Let me guess, does the solution involve me giving up money and control to the government? Yes? Then this goes in the trash bin with all the others.
 

CycloWizard

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This article is absolutely terrible. For example, it does not make any sense to say, "One of the properties of CO2 is that it creates a greenhouse effect." It would make sense if he had said, "One of the properties of CO2 is that it absorbs incoming solar energy in the narrow window in which water is a poor absorber, thereby increasing the input of thermal energy to the atmosphere." I could go on, but it's not really worth my time as the rest of the article diverges even further from science and simply becomes a wall of political talking points, many of which are patently false. Make no mistake: CO2 emissions are very likely a problem, but they will remain an unsolved problem as long as the science is politicized by idiots like this guy.
 

sandorski

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This article is absolutely terrible. For example, it does not make any sense to say, "One of the properties of CO2 is that it creates a greenhouse effect." It would make sense if he had said, "One of the properties of CO2 is that it absorbs incoming solar energy in the narrow window in which water is a poor absorber, thereby increasing the input of thermal energy to the atmosphere." I could go on, but it's not really worth my time as the rest of the article diverges even further from science and simply becomes a wall of political talking points, many of which are patently false. Make no mistake: CO2 emissions are very likely a problem, but they will remain an unsolved problem as long as the science is politicized by idiots like this guy.

Uh, that's we he said.
 

shira

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This article is absolutely terrible. For example, it does not make any sense to say, "One of the properties of CO2 is that it creates a greenhouse effect." It would make sense if he had said, "One of the properties of CO2 is that it absorbs incoming solar energy in the narrow window in which water is a poor absorber, thereby increasing the input of thermal energy to the atmosphere." I could go on, but it's not really worth my time as the rest of the article diverges even further from science and simply becomes a wall of political talking points, many of which are patently false. Make no mistake: CO2 emissions are very likely a problem, but they will remain an unsolved problem as long as the science is politicized by idiots like this guy.
There's only one side politicizing MMCC: The fossil-fuel industry. The science is slam-dunk clear, and only those with a vested interest in the status quo or ideological opposition to government solutions to major problems obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate.
 
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WHAMPOM

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While BIG tobacco paid researchers $millions$ over a period of twenty+ years to deny cancer/risk, how many died? Let's not waste that much time again, we may not have it to waste.
 

CycloWizard

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There's only one side politicizing MMCC: The fossil-fuel industry. The science is slam-dunk clear, and only those with a vested interest in the status quo or ideological opposition to government solutions to major problems obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate.
No, both sides are politicizing it. Unfortunately, you didn't read your own article objectively to see that this guy is no better because, as I pointed out in a previous thread, his opinion coincides with your own. If he were really simply interested in telling people everything they needed to know about global warming, he would have stuck to the facts instead of interjecting crap about libertarians and who knows who else. The facts stand on their own merit, just as opposition by a political sect has no bearing on their validity. And no, the science is not slam-dunk clear, and yes, many people have trillions to gain by imposing limits on CO2 output. Do you think renewable energy techniques are going to develop themselves and their required infrastructure? Do you think building a windmill always has a net negative carbon footprint?
 

Double Trouble

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There's only one side politicizing MMCC: The fossil-fuel industry.

Oh? That's the one side politicizing global warming? Really? Which side has global warming as the supposed basis underpinning for political action? (like cap & tax and the like). Would that also be the fossil fuel industry? hmmm...something doesn't add up.

The science is slam-dunk clear

Repeating the statement 50 million times will still not make it so. Parts of the science are absolutely clear, while other parts are not so clear. Predictions of possible consequences, what will happen if we take xyz steps etc are far from clear.

You don't have to convince most ATers of scientific principles, it's generally a tech-nerd oriented board. Selling the proposed 'solutions' is a far different story.
 

Jaskalas

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Yawn, another day another Shira post on global warming. Let me guess, does the solution involve me giving up money and control to the government? Yes? Then this goes in the trash bin with all the others.

Three cheers! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

A gift for you.


Meanwhile, notably little attention has been paid to the disastrous chill which has been sweeping South America thanks to an inrush of air from the Antarctic, killing hundreds in the continent's coldest winter for years.

In America, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has been trumpeting that, according to its much-quoted worldwide temperature data, the first six months of this year were the hottest ever recorded. But expert analysis on Watts Up With That, the US science blog, shows that NOAA's claimed warming appears to be strangely concentrated in those parts of the world where it has fewest weather stations. In Greenland, for instance, two of the hottest spots, showing a startling five-degree rise in temperatures, have no weather stations at all.
 

sandorski

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Oh? That's the one side politicizing global warming? Really? Which side has global warming as the supposed basis underpinning for political action? (like cap & tax and the like). Would that also be the fossil fuel industry? hmmm...something doesn't add up.

Learn about words. That's not "Politicizing".
 

Cogman

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Should we be developing better energy sources than fossil fuels, and more power efficient technologies? Absolutely.

Should we tax the ever living snot out of people who used more then a specified amount of energy? Absolutely not.

I'm all for the development of better energy sources, and tech. However, the push to try and add an ethereal "carbon tax" is ridiculous. Its about as bad as the "This plant has a 0 carbon footprint" baloney you get from companies that buy carbon bucks, or whatever al gore is hawking. That doesn't limit emission one iota, it just gives a warm fuzzy to people because 10% went to planting a tree in africa.

You want to cut emmisions? Limit population growth, and develop better energy techs. Those are the only two ways that are really going to make a difference.

Oh, and BTW, solar and wind are NOT the ways to do that. They are some aborted hippy project that, frankly, I don't see ever being viable. Fission and Fusion, those are the way to go.
 
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We are the cockroaches of the civilized world. We also can adapt. Think : Air Conditioning and Heaters.

What's funny is that people want to watch billions of people starve to death saving something that was supposed to have died 20 years ago in order to save lives.

Destroy industry and who will own a plane? That shit costs money and when no one has any... you see where this is going. THEN who will feel the people in the desert and bring them supplies? :|

It's pretty arrogant and stupid to think humans > mother nature. Has she not stomped us often enough over the past or have you just not been paying attention?
 
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Everything You Need to Know About Global Warming in two words: Political Tool

/thread.

Global Warming has been proven a farce time and again on these forums. The disgusting ClimateGate revelation was just one of the multitude of nails in the coffin for Global Warming.

Next topic please.