Everything needs to be voluntary, especially education.

[bfdd]

Im not ok with public schools. I think they serve a purpose to a few people, mainly the adults who work in the industry (looking at public unions here). I dont think they are equipping children with any of the basics needed to further their own educations. But I do also know that a class of peopel with basic reading skills and no critical thinking skills are very easy to control. I dont think there is a real will to make things better.

I'm not an expert on this so I wont even speculate on how to fix it. I'm sure there are many people who want to find ways to fix this issue and I defer to them.

JSt0rm, was it Engle or Marx who said public schools were the best way to indoctrinate future generations? So I hear you there, that's why I support school choice. If public schools have to compete for funds with private institutions then they'll have to change how they do things or die off.

Have you read Boys Adrift?

 

[JSt0rm]

No. Unfortunately I only read tech manuals anymore.

Have you watched "waiting for superman"?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1566648/

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I have a lot of education by any standard. I eventually had to fall back on my undergrad degree. I've spent a good deal in terms of money and time on my schooling much of which is completely unrelated to how I earn a living. I have never regretted one moment doing so. I live in a large world that I would not trade for any amount of money. I pity those who think an education is merely a device to obtain an income and that an internet course is a replacement for reasoned debate and discussion. Even worse is denying that opportunity to someone and doom them to ignorance. As far as educated idiots however I feel little sympathy.

 

[JSt0rm]

I have a lot of education by any standard. I eventually had to fall back on my undergrad degree. I've spent a good deal in terms of money and time on my schooling much of which is completely unrelated to how I earn a living. I have never regretted one moment doing so. I live in a large world that I would not trade for any amount of money. I pity those who think an education is merely a device to obtain an income and that an internet course is a replacement for reasoned debate and discussion. Even worse is denying that opportunity to someone and doom them to ignorance. As far as educated idiots however I feel little sympathy.

ok? everyone cant afford to go to a school to have their horizons broadened without thinking about career skills. In fact we are pulling further away from any of those things (watch my link)

 

[Zorkorist]

lol

 

[woolfe9999]

people respond to you the way they do because your ideas are retarded.

If you truly wanted to effect change in our education system you would first spend a good amount of time learning the education system and then offer changes.

You need to know the rules before you can break them.

You should carry that with you, because you do it (come up with some crazy dumb shit) a lot and you should only be offering radical changes after fully understanding the system. Thats how the gentleman in my video did it. He is offering radical changes to our education system having worked and lived in it for many years. He also studies learning. So he is speaking from a position of knowledge when he says "yes lets break the rules here"

You are not.

His problem is that every opinion of his is informed by the following simplistic ideological formulation: government is bad. That is all you need to know about him to predict where he will come out on an issue. See how easy that is for people who lack critical thinking skills? It provides a quick and easily understood answer for every issue and you need not learn about anything whatsoever.

- wolf

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

ok? everyone cant afford to go to a school to have their horizons broadened without thinking about career skills. In fact we are pulling further away from any of those things (watch my link)

There's nothing wrong with learning that which is necessary for a job however as you say we're pulling away from having an educated society. Many act as if the only purpose for knowledge it to obtain wealth. I strongly disagree. BTW, my family was below poverty level and financial aid wasn't all that great. I made my education a priority. If others choose not to do so that's fine, but to argue against it? That's foolishness.

Nevertheless it appears that the OP is suggesting that learning to read and write ought not to be a priority, or that's how it seems to me.

 

[JSt0rm]

There's nothing wrong with learning that which is necessary for a job however as you say we're pulling away from having an educated society. Many act as if the only purpose for knowledge it to obtain wealth. I strongly disagree. BTW, my family was below poverty level and financial aid wasn't all that great. I made my education a priority. If others choose not to do so that's fine, but to argue against it? That's foolishness.

Nevertheless it appears that the OP is suggesting that learning to read and write ought not to be a priority, or that's how it seems to me.

I take it you are of a older generation that didnt have to pay as much as kids do these days. Education costs have outpaced inflation so there is a larger burden on these kids. In a situation like that questions must be asked as to why the money is spent.

This is how it was in the old days before modern education. Only the rich could have well rounded educations and the poor had to focus on a trade and have a narrow world view. We are going back to that.