Everything needs to be voluntary, especially education.

[Zebo]

While I can't speak for your niece, you will notice that I said a 'huge portion', not all. I totally stand by my earlier statement though, go check out the average online degree. Or even worse, check out the average online degree holder. It's pathetic.

That's on line or off line. Most degrees are pretty worthless and waste of money. But what else are kids going to do these days? There is no industry like in the past they can go into so children are sold on the idea of education and with debt they can't discharge and are chained to life with. Pretty good deal for the bankers who sold out America and it's children on the back end - not so much for them.

 

[evident]

holy shit you are a fucking dumbass

merry christmas

 

[JSt0rm]

im going to get a degree from costco!

 

[Brainonska511]

If education was voluntary, we'd end up with a flood of posts from people like you. So, no thanks.

 

[davmat787]

<insert education connection song lyrics>

 

[Brainonska511]

My niece just graduated university of Oregon all on line in Chemistry...

So how are the laboratory components of an online chem degree handled? I think labs are an extremely important, hands-on teaching tool for chemistry that helps connect the lecture to something tangible.

 

[fskimospy]

That's on line or off line. Most degrees are pretty worthless and waste of money. But what else are kids going to do these days? There is no industry like in the past they can go into so children are sold on the idea of education and with debt they can't discharge and are chained to life with. Pretty good deal for the bankers who sold out America and it's children on the back end - not so much for them.

That's not really true at all. If you put me in a room with two people with the same degree, I would bet you money I can tell you which one of them got their degree online. There are of course exceptions, but generally online degrees are for the lowest performing students.

 

[JSt0rm]

That's not really true at all. If you put me in a room with two people with the same degree, I would bet you money I can tell you which one of them got their degree online. There are of course exceptions, but generally online degrees are for the lowest performing students.

But his statement is true.

Some kids should be welders but now the welding is done in china so instead they are told to go to school as if magic will happen. Not everyone is book smart but it doesnt mean they have no skills. The problem is we are pushing everyone down the same path that spits out engineers and professors at the top and has a huge bulge of crap in the middle. It doesnt work to have your entire society based on CS degrees from crap hole for profit schools, online or offline.

 

[spittledip]

I think we need to give every kid the chance to make the decision to take advantage of education or not. I really don't care about the results (in regard to kids either getting education or not, not in general). I just want all kids to have a chance b/c education is one of the only things in this country that comes close to leveling the playing field across the classes.

Of course, most likely the biggest reason why kids don't take advantage of public education is b/c their parents don't care enough to push them to.

 

[-Slacker-]

A kid who doesn't have the ambition to graduate highschool in an environment designed entirely as a learning incentive (i.e. 'we're going to spoon-feed you this stuff, and if you don't like it, you're going to get slapped over the head with this heavy book until you change your attitude') is probably not going to have the ambition to self-study on the internet, alone, two clicks away from porn and video games.

 

[spittledip]

But his statement is true.

Some kids should be welders but now the welding is done in china so instead they are told to go to school as if magic will happen. Not everyone is book smart but it doesnt mean they have no skills. The problem is we are pushing everyone down the same path that spits out engineers and professors at the top and has a huge bulge of crap in the middle. It doesnt work to have your entire society based on CS degrees from crap hole for profit schools, online or offline.

Completely agree. I think one problem is that our society values certain professions more than others, not recognizing that all professions are important.

 

[JSt0rm]

A kid who doesn't have the ambition to graduate highschool in an environment designed entirely as a learning incentive (i.e. 'we're going to spoon-feed you this stuff, and if you don't like it, you're going to get slapped over the head with this heavy book until you change your attitude') is probably not going to have the ambition to self-study on the internet, alone, two clicks away from porn and video games.

I disagree. Not everyone is good at learning in the structure set up by the school system this doesn't mean they aren't smart it just means that for them the style of teaching is wrong.

I have posted this video before but I really recommend you spend 15 minutes with this man. He is very entertaining as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY

 

[bfdd]

But his statement is true.

Some kids should be welders but now the welding is done in china so instead they are told to go to school as if magic will happen. Not everyone is book smart but it doesnt mean they have no skills. The problem is we are pushing everyone down the same path that spits out engineers and professors at the top and has a huge bulge of crap in the middle. It doesnt work to have your entire society based on CS degrees from crap hole for profit schools, online or offline.

Cerritos Community College has an EXCELLENT welding course. If you pass that and get your LA Structural you can get picked up and make really good money. To bad no one knows about that kind of stuff because you're told unless you go and get a BA or BS or better you're f'd in the A. Hell go get an HVAC cert and you can make good money. Those are like 1 - 2 year courses and WAY the fuck cheaper than getting a CS. You can even make similar money while learning more prudent skills for your life.

 

[JSt0rm]

Cerritos Community College has an EXCELLENT welding course. If you pass that and get your LA Structural you can get picked up and make really good money. To bad no one knows about that kind of stuff because you're told unless you go and get a BA or BS or better you're f'd in the A. Hell go get an HVAC cert and you can make good money. Those are like 1 - 2 year courses and WAY the fuck cheaper than getting a CS. You can even make similar money while learning more prudent skills for your life.

Whats sad is a good number of the people who do find those positions do so after attending a 4 year school and have 35k in college debt. I use financing as a tool but I fucking hate it. Its such a double edge sword and possibly a drag on our economy.

 

[Anarchist420]

To be fair, I don't think formal education would have made OP any less of an idiot.

It would be nice if you could quit being so rude as I never did anything to you.

 

[Gintaras]

It would be nice if you could quit being so rude as I never did anything to you.

What's the reason for being so sensitive to some idiots? To show feminine side of yourself?

and...

Don't need to argue with an idiot, he will drag you to his level and will beat you with experience....

 

[JSt0rm]

It would be nice if you could quit being so rude as I never did anything to you.

people respond to you the way they do because your ideas are retarded.

If you truly wanted to effect change in our education system you would first spend a good amount of time learning the education system and then offer changes.

You need to know the rules before you can break them.

You should carry that with you, because you do it (come up with some crazy dumb shit) a lot and you should only be offering radical changes after fully understanding the system. Thats how the gentleman in my video did it. He is offering radical changes to our education system having worked and lived in it for many years. He also studies learning. So he is speaking from a position of knowledge when he says "yes lets break the rules here"

You are not.

 

[Newbian]

It would be nice if you could quit being so rude as I never did anything to you.

You did do something... you posted this horrible topic..

 

[bfdd]

JSt0rm, I know it's not popular to talk about and I'll probably get some hate on it, but there are good write ups about how the drive to push feminism is also hurting our educational systems in the West. We've catered so much to teach girls that we've basically left boys behind. It's quite sad and you aren't allowed to talk about it or you're a misogynist.\

I really do not understand the attack on masculinity. Yin and Yang, you need both masculinity and femininity to have a functioning society.

 

[Gintaras]

People's education is good for people, but it's harmful for politicians.
None else, Like idiots re-elect politicians.
Why it comes to "re-elect"? Some my wonder?
Because every politician in his term will fuck this or that. That's how politicians "work", that's why they're in politics but NOT in some business in the 1st place.

Their "business" is what legaly is called racketeering - or inpolitics, it's called a TAX.
If it' a mafia - it's Racketeering,
If politics - it's a TAX.

But,
You need to look, who and how WORKS for money they get:
First, you do work and you do pay taxes. Who have businesses, might be paying "tax" to mafia.
Now, what, if someone murders some of your friends or relatives?
If you go to those, who you pay taxes, they might not even find a murderer, even if they find, a murdered of your relative or a friend could be free in a few years.
But, if you pay to mafia and similar happens to you or your family, the murdered "can kiss his ass goodbye" - he fill be found and executed. No questions asked.

Politicians don't like mafia, because their income interfere, some do their job, some don't.
Do politicians do some work at all?
Now and then, you can hear about some sexual misconduct. It happens, when people have TOO MUCH FREE TIME
It happens mostly to politicians or priests - BOTH HAVE TOO MUCH FREE TIME, unless someone tells that they're very busy and don't have time to become a sexual perverts.

 

[JSt0rm]

JSt0rm, I know it's not popular to talk about and I'll probably get some hate on it, but there are good write ups about how the drive to push feminism is also hurting our educational systems in the West. We've catered so much to teach girls that we've basically left boys behind. It's quite sad and you aren't allowed to talk about it or you're a misogynist.\

I really do not understand the attack on masculinity. Yin and Yang, you need both masculinity and femininity to have a functioning society.

Well thats a fine topic to delve into but privatizing all schooling is not the way most experts would say to move forward.

So the subject at hand - medieval education, is idiotic and thats all there really is.

If you want to talk about the disparity between males and females in our current system I would agree with that and seen reports on it myself.

I dont think the solution would be to bring the girls back down but to find a way to bring the boys back up again.

 

[bfdd]

Well thats a fine topic to delve into but privatizing all schooling is not the way most experts would say to move forward.

So the subject at hand - medieval education, is idiotic and thats all there really is.

If you want to talk about the disparity between males and females in our current system I would agree with that and seen reports on it myself.

I dont think the solution would be to bring the girls back down but to find a way to bring the boys back up again.

I am OK with public schools, I just happen to support school choice as well. I think it would bring up the quality of our public schools and possibly bring upon new innovations to drive down costs, you know competition has a tendency to do that.

I agree with you about the bringing boys back up, while not trying to bring down girls. I'd actually support segregated classes for boys and girls up to a certain age, but that leads down a bad path. Maybe segregate certain classes where the teaching techniques required need to vary drastically? I don't know there's a lot of possibilities.

 

[JSt0rm]

I am OK with public schools, I just happen to support school choice as well. I think it would bring up the quality of our public schools and possibly bring upon new innovations to drive down costs, you know competition has a tendency to do that.

Im not ok with public schools. I think they serve a purpose to a few people, mainly the adults who work in the industry (looking at public unions here). I dont think they are equipping children with any of the basics needed to further their own educations. But I do also know that a class of peopel with basic reading skills and no critical thinking skills are very easy to control. I dont think there is a real will to make things better.

I agree with you about the bringing boys back up, while not trying to bring down girls. I'd actually support segregated classes for boys and girls up to a certain age, but that leads down a bad path. Maybe segregate certain classes where the teaching techniques required need to vary drastically? I don't know there's a lot of possibilities.

I'm not an expert on this so I wont even speculate on how to fix it. I'm sure there are many people who want to find ways to fix this issue and I defer to them.

 

[Zorkorist]

If the Government didn't regulate, tax, and spend its citizens to death, then maybe they could have a decent education.

-John

 

[jhu]

It would be nice if you could quit being so rude as I never did anything to you.

Your threads here are neither politics nor news.