everything must happen??

TheJoker6900

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A friend has been trying to convince of the following, i am unsure.

He says the every single possibility you can ever think of, no matter how impossible must at some point in time happen, this is due to the universe being infinate and whatever event you can think of no matter how remote would have a propability of 1/ininity and as the universe is inifinte the event must happen...

I cant see this as whats the probablility of me urinating on the anandtech web server 5 seconds after i post this message, well if your reading this message i guess i haven't graced the box with a golden shower just yet...

Is my mate talking complete garbage or does this have SOME substance?
 

djheater

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Originally posted by: TheJoker6900
A friend has been trying to convince of the following, i am unsure.

He says the every single possibility you can ever think of, no matter how impossible must at some point in time happen, this is due to the universe being infinate and whatever event you can think of no matter how remote would have a propability of 1/ininity and as the universe is inifinte the event must happen...

I cant see this as whats the probablility of me urinating on the anandtech web server 5 seconds after i post this message, well if your reading this message i guess i haven't graced the box with a golden shower just yet...

Is my mate talking complete garbage or does this have SOME substance?


Some but not much.

He posesses a limited understanding of probabilities, I'm not much better so I'll leave it to the smarter's to sort out for you.
 

zCypher

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It's bs, he's trying to sound smart by talking about stuff he heard of but doesn't know much about. Again I don't know much about it either, but it's not hard to see BS. Yes, highly unlikely things will happen given enough time, but that does not mean that "everything" must happen. You urinating on the AT server 5 seconds after your post is not possible unless you're posting in the AT server room, so how can it happen? Infinite time will not make the impossible possible, now will it? Of course not.
 

guyver01

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every decision has it's own "perfectly plausible possible future"

which timeline you live in depends on which choice you make.

god i hate infinite reality plausability.


 

MrGrim

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"I cant see this as whats the probablility of me urinating on the anandtech web server 5 seconds after i post this message, well if your reading this message i guess i haven't graced the box with a golden shower just yet..."

You urinating on the anandtech web server after 5 seconds is not a possibility. It has nothing to do with probability, it is simply impossible because you are not 5 seconds away from it. Having said that, your friend's theory is based on parallel universies ... a theory I do not agree with.
 

tweakmm

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It's not so much that infinite possibilites makes for everything happening, it makes everything possible. If the ATOT web server were to get peed upon it would probably be happening right now around 10^23 meters away by your doppelganger.
 

guyver01

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Originally posted by: MrGrim
"I cant see this as whats the probablility of me urinating on the anandtech web server 5 seconds after i post this message, well if your reading this message i guess i haven't graced the box with a golden shower just yet..."

You urinating on the anandtech web server after 5 seconds is not a possibility. It has nothing to do with probability, it is simply impossible because you are not 5 seconds away from it. Having said that, your friend's theory is based on parallel universies ... a theory I do not agree with.

i think you mean divergent realities...

 

PatboyX

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i think it depends greatly on your view of the universe. to look at it as merely infinite doesnt really give me creedance to believe that everything MUST happen. its simply a measurment. i mean, anything can be infinite...if we assume time does not stop and that time is a measurable dimension than any object holds its own realm of infinity in which to exist.

anyway, the view your friend seems to be taking is that the universe is infnate in a much more abstract way, that all possible futures and pasts exist in the universe, maybe not in out plane. its a lot like the way comic books look at the universe...with an Earth 2, 3, 5, x, s, etc.
so that, with all those infinite earths/universes, all things MUST exist. (i dont really like that view, myself)
 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: TheJoker6900
He says the every single possibility you can ever think of, no matter how impossible must at some point in time happen, this is due to the universe being infinate and whatever event you can think of no matter how remote would have a propability of 1/ininity and as the universe is inifinte the event must happen...


So you're saying that I am going get two chicks at once?
 

skace

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I don't see how everything must happen. Let's say you are in the AT server room about to click post.You do have a multitude of possibilties of what could happen next, sure urinating on the server could be one of them. But once you choose not to do that, you kill that path and that alternate reality with it. There may be another day where you are posting from the AT server room, but it will never be the exact same instant in time.

Unless you break from our view of time and humor the thought that time isn't sequential. But all you can do is humor this thought. You cannot practice it or make an example.
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: tweakmm
It's not so much that infinite possibilites makes for everything happening, it makes everything possible. If the ATOT web server were to get peed upon it would probably be happening right now around 10^23 meters away by your doppelganger.

DOPPLEGANGERS OWN i think thats all that matters in the universe

not only is it possible to urinate on the server 5 seconds after posting its possible that there are an infinite number of planets where there are an infinite number of AT servers all getting infinite amounts of urine sprayed on them by infinite dopplegangers at the same infinite moment

infinity rules.
 

Encryptic

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Ugh...my head is hurting from trying to figure this out. ;)

I believe that anything is possible, based on the path you follow. One decision you make may close off another door to a different path, or it may open that door for you. I'm still wondering if life is predestined or if you make things happen of your own free will.

The reason being that my wife and I have talked about how several years ago, she had her fortune read and a friend also read her tarot cards. The fortuneteller told her stuff like that she would marry late, how many boyfriends she would have before that, etc., which all turned out to be true.

The spookiest thing is that the tarot cards said that she would end up marrying someone outside the scene she was in, and it would be the last person she expected to marry. A few years later, she marries me, even though I wasn't part of the Goth scene, as she was at the time.

She also told me that before we met, she used to have dreams occasionally about someone standing behind her and holding her. She never saw the person's face, but she knew that they were tall and had dark hair, like I do. After we got together, she said she never had the dream again.

I guess she COULD have fulfilled what the fortuneteller, tarot cards and her dreams told her by going down a different path, and there might have been someone else down that path who fit the description.

::shrug::

EDIT: Anyone ever see "Final Destination"? Good movie that touches on the whole predetermined fate/determining your own path concept
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Not you, but another you.

This was in Scientific America recently, and it sounds like a version of a version of a version.
Well

Here is how it is supposed to go.

If the universe is in fact spatially infinite, then all possible "realities" exist. What you have to understand is the concept of "universe" is not what we can ever see. Inflation would forever remove parts of the whole thing from being seen. Parts of it are not linked to us in any way. Lets call everything (and I really mean everything) the multiverse. There may be 4 levels to this hierarchy, but for simplicity lets stick with easiest and lowest one.

Now we are causally connected to an area which appears to be a sphere about 15 billion light years across. Now remember that that isn't the end of "everything" but is the limit of what we observe. Now we have a fundamental size to work with. Every 15 billion light year, there is a space containing, what? Well, we don't know, but for our example, lets assume it is packed full. Every space in that new universe contains a fundamental particle. Protons, neutrons and the like. Well if you go out another 15 BLYs, then you could have the same except now you have one less particle. Then the next could have another fewer. There are finite ways these particles can be distributed. A huge number, but finite. You might get an empty universe, or a full or something in between.

Think of a volume of space that could hold at most 10x10x10 of legos. You have a thousand pieces in that cube space. In that 10x10x10 volume, you could have no blocks, one, or a thousand, and a large number of permutations. What you cannot have is less than zero legos, or more than 1000 in that volume. So lets take a truckload of legos and start building! You first take a piece of chalk and draw a 10x10 lego area on the ground. Put nothing in it. That is the minimum numbers of legos. Now draw another directly adjacent. Put one lego. Now another, and so on. Sooner or later you have a space with 1000 legos. Now remove one. Replace it, and remove another, when you have done all the possible permutations, remove 2 and do the same. Do three. Eventually you will come back to null space, or no legos, any you have exhausted all possible spatial possibilities for that space. Now here is the thing. You now take some random number of legos, and arrange them in some random way confined by that 10x10x10 space. Have you done that before? Yes you have! You did it systematically, but you did it. In fact it is IMPOSSIBLE to create a new configuration. Your lego "universe" has just repeated itself. It had to. You also made some almost like it, but just a little different. You had to. Now back to the "real" universe. Going out far enough, you HAVE to repeat this universe. You also have to have one where you were king, or lost a job or were never born. Remember, the key is that the Multiverse, that is all of reality, whether connected or not is INFINITE. Who cares how far one would have to measure? There is infinitely more. Of course there are more levels which may contain different physical laws, and such, but that is an unnecessary complication to this explanation