Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever

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Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever


The Illuminati were amateurs. The second huge financial scandal of the year reveals the real international conspiracy: There's no price the big banks can't fix

By Matt Taibbi
April 25, 2013 1:00 PM ET
Conspiracy theorists of the world, believers in the hidden hands of the Rothschilds and the Masons and the Illuminati, we skeptics owe you an apology. You were right. The players may be a little different, but your basic premise is correct: The world is a rigged game. We found this out in recent months, when a series of related corruption stories spilled out of the financial sector, suggesting the world's largest banks may be fixing the prices of, well, just about everything.

You may have heard of the Libor scandal, in which at least three – and perhaps as many as 16 – of the name-brand too-big-to-fail banks have been manipulating global interest rates, in the process messing around with the prices of upward of $500 trillion (that's trillion, with a "t") worth of financial instruments. When that sprawling con burst into public view last year, it was easily the biggest financial scandal in history – MIT professor Andrew Lo even said it "dwarfs by orders of magnitude any financial scam in the history of markets."

That was bad enough, but now Libor may have a twin brother. Word has leaked out that the London-based firm ICAP, the world's largest broker of interest-rate swaps, is being investigated by American authorities for behavior that sounds eerily reminiscent of the Libor mess. Regulators are looking into whether or not a small group of brokers at ICAP may have worked with up to 15 of the world's largest banks to manipulate ISDAfix, a benchmark number used around the world to calculate the prices of interest-rate swaps.

Interest-rate swaps are a tool used by big cities, major corporations and sovereign governments to manage their debt, and the scale of their use is almost unimaginably massive. It's about a $379 trillion market, meaning that any manipulation would affect a pile of assets about 100 times the size of the United States federal budget.

It should surprise no one that among the players implicated in this scheme to fix the prices of interest-rate swaps are the same megabanks – including Barclays, UBS, Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and the Royal Bank of Scotland – that serve on the Libor panel that sets global interest rates. In fact, in recent years many of these banks have already paid multimillion-dollar settlements for anti-competitive manipulation of one form or another (in addition to Libor, some were caught up in an anti-competitive scheme, detailed in Rolling Stone last year, to rig municipal-debt service auctions). Though the jumble of financial acronyms sounds like gibberish to the layperson, the fact that there may now be price-fixing scandals involving both Libor and ISDAfix suggests a single, giant mushrooming conspiracy of collusion and price-fixing hovering under the ostensibly competitive veneer of Wall Street culture.

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Why? Because Libor already affects the prices of interest-rate swaps, making this a manipulation-on-manipulation situation. If the allegations prove to be right, that will mean that swap customers have been paying for two different layers of price-fixing corruption. If you can imagine paying 20 bucks for a crappy PB&J because some evil cabal of agribusiness companies colluded to fix the prices of both peanuts and peanut butter, you come close to grasping the lunacy of financial markets where both interest rates and interest-rate swaps are being manipulated at the same time, often by the same banks.

"It's a double conspiracy," says an amazed Michael Greenberger, a former director of the trading and markets division at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and now a professor at the University of Maryland. "It's the height of criminality."

The bad news didn't stop with swaps and interest rates. In March, it also came out that two regulators – the CFTC here in the U.S. and the Madrid-based International Organization of Securities Commissions – were spurred by the Libor revelations to investigate the possibility of collusive manipulation of gold and silver prices. "Given the clubby manipulation efforts we saw in Libor benchmarks, I assume other benchmarks – many other benchmarks – are legit areas of inquiry," CFTC Commissioner Bart Chilton said.

But the biggest shock came out of a federal courtroom at the end of March – though if you follow these matters closely, it may not have been so shocking at all – when a landmark class-action civil lawsuit against the banks for Libor-related offenses was dismissed. In that case, a federal judge accepted the banker-defendants' incredible argument: If cities and towns and other investors lost money because of Libor manipulation, that was their own fault for ever thinking the banks were competing in the first place.

"A farce," was one antitrust lawyer's response to the eyebrow-raising dismissal.

"Incredible," says Sylvia Sokol, an attorney for Constantine Cannon, a firm that specializes in antitrust cases.

All of these stories collectively pointed to the same thing: These banks, which already possess enormous power just by virtue of their financial holdings – in the United States, the top six banks, many of them the same names you see on the Libor and ISDAfix panels, own assets equivalent to 60 percent of the nation's GDP – are beginning to realize the awesome possibilities for increased profit and political might that would come with colluding instead of competing. Moreover, it's increasingly clear that both the criminal justice system and the civil courts may be impotent to stop them, even when they do get caught working together to game the system.

If true, that would leave us living in an era of undisguised, real-world conspiracy, in which the prices of currencies, commodities like gold and silver, even interest rates and the value of money itself, can be and may already have been dictated from above. And those who are doing it can get away with it. Forget the Illuminati – this is the real thing, and it's no secret. You can stare right at it, anytime you want.

That's just the first page. Are we really surprised this is happening? Financial institutions manipulating prices and committing fraud are "legal". All of this enabled by government.

(forgive me I didn't mean to rattle your cage)
 

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Two of America's top law-enforcement officials, Attorney General Eric Holder and former Justice Department Criminal Division chief Lanny Breuer, confessed that it's dangerous to prosecute offending banks because they are simply too big. Making arrests, they say, might lead to "collateral consequences" in the economy.

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The only reason this problem has not received the attention it deserves is because the scale of it is so enormous that ordinary people simply cannot see it. It's not just stealing by reaching a hand into your pocket and taking out money, but stealing in which banks can hit a few keystrokes and magically make whatever's in your pocket worth less. This is corruption at the molecular level of the economy, Space Age stealing – and it's only just coming into view.
 
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i think it was obvious in the american 08 collapse. people didnt stop working, we didnt lose our money. the fact that the entire economy could collapse instantly, and not just ours- the whole world deflated... that just doesnt happen in a true free market. some parts collapse, not the whole thing.

i also believe with the amount of labor that goes on in this world, for little money, there should be no reason we are struggling. none. energy is plentiful, the world hasnt overheated yet, we have plenty of food and we still have fresh water. we should all be living heavenly right now. i think its obvious we are having our strings pulled.
 

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i think it was obvious in the american 08 collapse. people didnt stop working, we didnt lose our money. the fact that the entire economy could collapse instantly, and not just ours- the whole world deflated... that just doesnt happen in a true free market. some parts collapse, not the whole thing.

i also believe with the amount of labor that goes on in this world, for little money, there should be no reason we are struggling. none. energy is plentiful, the world hasnt overheated yet, we have plenty of food and we still have fresh water. we should all be living heavenly right now. i think its obvious we are having our strings pulled.

People didn't stop working because there were several programs in place to prevent a complete stoppage. I think people don't really understand how interconnected our economies are at this point. A german bank could be financing a loan for a farmer in WI, or a farm dealership in IA, because Fiat Industrial, which owns CNH, has huge relationships with German/Italian banks. When FI used to be part of Fiat Auto you could see an even larger problem. So if the German/Italian banks went under and their US Branches could not fund themselves, how can they then fund the CNH dealer, or the CNH loan? What then would happen to the CNH manufacturing plant in rural Wisconsin? Those lines would need to be idled while the company figured out how it can fund itself.

You see, the problem isn't as easy as saying "well hell, it's all OK".

We are the situation we are in because we grew too fast, humans are prone to bouts of mania followed by bouts of depression, it is just the nature of the human psyche. There is no huge conspiracy.

As far as the LIBOR fixing, while the banks made a huge profit the actual situation isn't as easily as one-sided as many make it out to be.

1. Who benefitted from the higher or lower LIBOR costs? If banks suppressed LIBOR then would borrowers not have benefitted, how do you quantify and rectify that? If banks increased LIBOR then would investors not have benefitted, how do you quantify and rectify that?

2. How do you punish each side of that trade in such a way that you don't cause huge dislocations, how do you allocate the re-distributed "profits"?

3. The bank(er)s did enrich themselves but the actual amount of their benefit is far smaller than the actual issue as mentioned in 1&2.
 

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People didn't stop working because there were several programs in place to prevent a complete stoppage. I think people don't really understand how interconnected our economies are at this point. A german bank could be financing a loan for a farmer in WI, or a farm dealership in IA, because Fiat Industrial, which owns CNH, has huge relationships with German/Italian banks. When FI used to be part of Fiat Auto you could see an even larger problem. So if the German/Italian banks went under and their US Branches could not fund themselves, how can they then fund the CNH dealer, or the CNH loan? What then would happen to the CNH manufacturing plant in rural Wisconsin? Those lines would need to be idled while the company figured out how it can fund itself.

You see, the problem isn't as easy as saying "well hell, it's all OK".

We are the situation we are in because we grew too fast, humans are prone to bouts of mania followed by bouts of depression, it is just the nature of the human psyche. There is no huge conspiracy.

As far as the LIBOR fixing, while the banks made a huge profit the actual situation isn't as easily as one-sided as many make it out to be.

1. Who benefitted from the higher or lower LIBOR costs? If banks suppressed LIBOR then would borrowers not have benefitted, how do you quantify and rectify that? If banks increased LIBOR then would investors not have benefitted, how do you quantify and rectify that?

2. How do you punish each side of that trade in such a way that you don't cause huge dislocations, how do you allocate the re-distributed "profits"?

3. The bank(er)s did enrich themselves but the actual amount of their benefit is far smaller than the actual issue as mentioned in 1&2.

Did you read the article?
 

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Looks like the Fed, whose job is it to fix interest rates, has been supplanted by the big banks.

In fact, it's starting to look like the big banks are colluding to run the world's economy via interest rate fixing. I guess they've also lost confidence in the governmental agencies too.

Fern
 

Darwin333

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People didn't stop working because there were several programs in place to prevent a complete stoppage. I think people don't really understand how interconnected our economies are at this point. A german bank could be financing a loan for a farmer in WI, or a farm dealership in IA, because Fiat Industrial, which owns CNH, has huge relationships with German/Italian banks. When FI used to be part of Fiat Auto you could see an even larger problem. So if the German/Italian banks went under and their US Branches could not fund themselves, how can they then fund the CNH dealer, or the CNH loan? What then would happen to the CNH manufacturing plant in rural Wisconsin? Those lines would need to be idled while the company figured out how it can fund itself.

You see, the problem isn't as easy as saying "well hell, it's all OK".

We are the situation we are in because we grew too fast, humans are prone to bouts of mania followed by bouts of depression, it is just the nature of the human psyche. There is no huge conspiracy.

As far as the LIBOR fixing, while the banks made a huge profit the actual situation isn't as easily as one-sided as many make it out to be.

1. Who benefitted from the higher or lower LIBOR costs? If banks suppressed LIBOR then would borrowers not have benefitted, how do you quantify and rectify that? If banks increased LIBOR then would investors not have benefitted, how do you quantify and rectify that?

2. How do you punish each side of that trade in such a way that you don't cause huge dislocations, how do you allocate the re-distributed "profits"?

3. The bank(er)s did enrich themselves but the actual amount of their benefit is far smaller than the actual issue as mentioned in 1&2.

I am FAR more concerned with criminal punishments. There are a ton of people that should have very long prison sentences right now, how many do you recall being charged criminally?
 

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I am not sure what the issue is. If for some reason the banks cannot be punished (and there were some massive fines from the LIBOR case), throw some bankers in jail.

Michael
 

bradley

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Surprisingly Matt is late to the game. The biggest story of this decade (affecting billions of people and trillions of dollars) keeps getting buried by penny-ante stories about Justin Bieber. Obviously no one will be held accountable with such tiny stones thrown into vast media oceans.
 
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OverVolt

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It was too long.

Basically financialization has been marching forward since 1950 (FHA, car loans, FAFSA, etc.)

Its getting to the point where its difficult to increase financialization without it being ridiculous, IE 10 year car loans, tuition rising even faster than it already is, 50 year 3% mortgages, etc to juice the economy.

The banks own almost everything. If the banks go under, the prices plummet because, who is going to buy all that market glut?

That can't happen, a $500k McMansion would hypothetically be like $25k or something if lending dried up completely.

So they print the money to inflate away the debts in theory. If they print alot, it helps the young because it inflates away their new mortgages and college degrees. This harms the baby boomers who are retiring because they are on fixed incomes.

If they print too little, thus hurts the young trying to get started. These huge college debts, and a rebounding housing market. This helps the baby boomers retire, sell their houses, put nest egg in stocks, whatever, you are seeing this now.

As the baby boomers pull and consume all their capital in their golden years, I think there will be another crash (5-15years) and then the real you-ain't-seen-nothing-yet printing begins. This would benefit Gen X and Y, and the late-to-retire babyboomers will be in bad shape from inflation (not this pansy 2%-3% stuff). At first loans would be defacto negative interest because of the impending inflation and you'd be dumb not to use credit to gobble up as many assets as you can circa 2030.

That was my story time, abridged.
 
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hans007

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I put my life savings into silver etfs then other day after thw huge drop due to all this qe.

This is either going to be the dumbest or smartest thing I've ever done given it was over six figures. Well see in 6 months
 

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hans007

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God bless and good luck, I have no idea. Stick to your plan.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1362471-gold-and-silver-may-soar-on-short-squeeze

I'm guessing you are running with that?

Basically. I was buying some on the way down and had some from before already but bought a ton when "SLV" hit $23 and lower so I'm basically break even right now. Coin shops are charging huge premiums right now or sold out online. I figure once the premium goes away from that naked short selling dump on gold / silver that it'll get silver back in the high 20s or even $30 range again. Just market manipulation I'm betting on reverting back to equilibrium. If I make 10-15% I'll be very happy

silver is up almost 2% on spot markets in the last 8 hours or so alone...http://www.pmbull.com/silver-price/

everything investing wise is about QE now. nothing but QE matters .

if the unemployment rate doesnt fall... print more money

if the new jobs created is low, print more money

if the GDP growth isnt as projected (like last week) ... print more money.

if we have a giant deficit and our country will go bankrupt paying inteested on existing bonds .... print more money and keep bond interest low.

when the boomers cash out their 401ks to retire en masse and it causes the markets to fall lowering confidence.... print more money

as much as people have been saying they cant do it forever, well japan has for 20 years right?
 
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OverVolt

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Yea I agree on Japan, it just sucks thats the way things are going.

when the boomers cash out their 401ks to retire en masse and it causes the markets to fall lowering confidence.... print more money

Yeah in order to out-do all the required earlier money printing I feel like thats going to be a big one.

It sucks a 6oz can of tuna is now 5oz but this passes as an apartment in Tokyo.

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Oh hell no! :awe:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fin-apartments-Tokyo-cost-400-month-rent.html

I hope it never gets that bad. People have pointed out Tokyo is very space limited and I get that but still it reminds me of the constant downsizing of everything carried out over 20 years.
 

hans007

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Yea I agree on Japan, it just sucks thats the way things are going.



Yeah in order to out-do all the required earlier money printing I feel like thats going to be a big one.

It sucks a 6oz can of tuna is now 5oz but this passes as an apartment in Tokyo.

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Oh hell no! :awe:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fin-apartments-Tokyo-cost-400-month-rent.html

I hope it never gets that bad. People have pointed out Tokyo is very space limited and I get that but still it reminds me of the constant downsizing of everything carried out over 20 years.


its in america too...

http://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/Startup-dreams-meet-pop-up-rentals-4226675.php

i used to live in the bay area, and i'd have to say if you were dumb enough to put up with that just to live in that city you are insane. but people do it.
 

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People are self interested, too the point of criminal conspiracy. Big whoop. Our issue in America is we ignore this fact and implement policy that requires people to act altruistically to achieve the goal of the policy.

The folks who ought to be prosecuting the criminal self motivated, our themselves acting selfishly in order that they don't suffer any consequence or face a stiff expensive defense that may overwhelm them.

It's amazing to me how many folks become so incredibly self interested, to the point of being criminal, once they get in a position of power or influence. It's as if there is no expense that is too great for the masses to pay to insure the elite get theirs.
 

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People are self interested, too the point of criminal conspiracy. Big whoop. Our issue in America is we ignore this fact and implement policy that requires people to act altruistically to achieve the goal of the policy.

The folks who ought to be prosecuting the criminal self motivated, our themselves acting selfishly in order that they don't suffer any consequence or face a stiff expensive defense that may overwhelm them.

It's amazing to me how many folks become so incredibly self interested, to the point of being criminal, once they get in a position of power or influence. It's as if there is no expense that is too great for the masses to pay to insure the elite get theirs.

This is how everyone operates their business on a micro scale. Every person that wants to make money would do the same given the chance.

I see no difference from the banks action from people I see everyday although on a smaller individual scale. I've seen too many saints turn into monsters once they smell enough money.