everything freezes

[SirPappy]

well to start, ill post what ive got

P4 3.0 ghz-new
mobo MSI 865PE 800fsb-new
1 gb Dual chanel DR400 (2 sticks of 512) 15 months old value ram
ATI 9600XT 128 mb-15 months old
120 gb hd from WD- 15 months old
WinXP OS
Sony DVD-r/rw
450w Power supply
6 fans(3 in, 3 out)


here we go, everything was working fine on 1st day. but after that, from time to time everythinmg on my screen would freeze and i would have to reboot manually(ctrl,alt,del wouldnt work) this would happen not just playing games, but just browsing the internet, or just doing paper work.
my anti virus is up to date and didnt catch anything after scanning.
i tryed unpluging the hd and pluging in a different hd and still having the same issues.

was about to go and buy some new high performance mem cause im thinking its the value mem, but i thought i would stop in here and see what everyone else thinks.

opinions anyone

p.s. if you think its the mem, suggestions on a brand or type would be appriciated.

 

[Genesis15]

I don't think it's the memory cause the same thing is happening to me but my computer is a little older:

2.20Celeron 17 months
512MB DDR333 17 Months
Maxtor 7200 5 Months
6600GT 2 months

My stuff freezes up too and I can't figure it out.

 

[imported_Kensai]

PSU maybe?

 

[Slikkster]

do you show any errors in your event viewer?

 

[Genesis15]

My PSU is pretty new and never been used it's a Power Q ATX-350.

 

[amdskip]

Run memtest86 to check for memory errors.

I vote power supply. It just sounds cheap. You need a namebrand quality power supply. What is the rating on the +12 line (look at the sticker)? Got a link to it?

 

[SirPappy]

my PSU?

JGE
A+ GPB INC
ATX-450W
Switching Power Supply

Model:JGE-450P4

does that help?

 

[Laputa]

Try Boot Log XP. It's available at betanews.com. This may give you some hints.

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: Slikkster
do you show any errors in your event viewer?

whats that?

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: amdskip
Run memtest86 to check for memory errors.

I vote power supply. It just sounds cheap. You need a namebrand quality power supply. What is the rating on the +12 line (look at the sticker)? Got a link to it?

my PSU?

JGE
A+ GPB INC
ATX-450W
Switching Power Supply

Model:JGE-450P4

is this a good PSU?

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: amdskip
Run memtest86 to check for memory errors.

I vote power supply. It just sounds cheap. You need a namebrand quality power supply. What is the rating on the +12 line (look at the sticker)? Got a link to it?

Downloaded it, but how do i use it?

<---------Kinda newbie

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: Laputa
Try Boot Log XP. It's available at betanews.com. This may give you some hints.

Downloaded this as well, i'll try it tomorow. its getting late

thanks for all the help.

ill check back in here tomorow.

 

[SirPappy]

back up there

 

[Slikkster]

I don't mean to sound harsh, but you seem to not quite grasp some basics, unless it's just a coincidence. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.

PSU=Power Supply Unit

Event Viewer: An applet on all NT-based computers (Windows 2000/XP) that lists system events and system errors. Go into your Control Panel and click on the "Administrative Tools" icon. You'll see an "Event Viewer" entry. When you click on that, you'll see three Event Logs to look at, labeled "Application", "Security", and "System". You will primarily be interested in two of the three logs, System and Application. Look for yellow warning icons and red error icons, and see what they say. The logs are kept in time-consecutive order, unless you sort them (by clicking a column at the top of each log) differently. So, the first entry you will see will be the most recent. You'll have to scroll down to see other entries.

You said you have a 450 watt job, which, while I don't know the brand, should be ok. Just wattage ratings don't tell you much.

One thing you can check on this motherboard is this:

Many of the newer motherboards not only have the main power connector jack, but also a separate 4-pin square connector. You should definitely attach the 4-pin square power connector from the power supply to your motherboard if the board has a 4-pin jack (usually near the main power connector jack). This provides the motherboard with another steady source of power.

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: Slikkster
I don't mean to sound harsh, but you seem to not quite grasp some basics, unless it's just a coincidence. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.

no harm, i know most of the basics, but I'm mostly self taught, so theres a few things I still need to pick on.

Thanks

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: Slikkster
PSU=Power Supply Unit

I knew that

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: Slikkster
Event Viewer: An applet on all NT-based computers (Windows 2000/XP) that lists system events and system errors. Go into your Control Panel and click on the "Administrative Tools" icon. You'll see an "Event Viewer" entry. When you click on that, you'll see three Event Logs to look at, labeled "Application", "Security", and "System". You will primarily be interested in two of the three logs, System and Application. Look for yellow warning icons and red error icons, and see what they say. The logs are kept in time-consecutive order, unless you sort them (by clicking a column at the top of each log) differently. So, the first entry you will see will be the most recent. You'll have to scroll down to see other entries.

thanks on this, this looks incridably helpfull. I give it a go in a few min.


thanks agian

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: Slikkster
One thing you can check on this motherboard is this:

Many of the newer motherboards not only have the main power connector jack, but also a separate 4-pin square connector. You should definitely attach the 4-pin square power connector from the power supply to your motherboard if the board has a 4-pin jack (usually near the main power connector jack). This provides the motherboard with another steady source of power.

yup, it has it, and its connected

 

[Slikkster]

My bad on the PSU and the statement about the basics...I saw your reply about PSU and only noticed you saying "My PSU?" as if it were some alien language. Now I see that you were just restating the question. So forgive my dopey remarks.

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: Slikkster
My bad on the PSU and the statement about the basics...I saw your reply about PSU and only noticed you saying "My PSU?" as if it were some alien language. Now I see that you were just restating the question. So forgive my dopey remarks.

Dont worry about it Slikkster, no harm done. and thanks for your help BTW.

 

[Creston]

Download memtest+ from

www.memtest.org

and run it for a night or so, see if it's your memory.

In my experience, freezes are either

1) Overheating. Since you have six fans, I'll assume that's not the case (check temperatures right after it crashes, if you can, just immediately reboot into BIOS, see what your CPU temp is..)

2) Bad PSU. Try finding the sticker on it (or go to the manufacturer's website) and find out how many Amps it has on the +12V line. This needs to be at least 15-18 to be on the safe side, and more doesn't hurt. If it only has 12A (some crappy PSUs do), it probably dies due to lack of power.

3) Bad memory. Run Memtest or Prime95 in Torture test mode. Do a google on Prime95, and you should be able to find it.

4) Bad videocard. But since you've had it for 15 months, that would seem unlikely.

let us know how the tests on your memory come back, because I'm thinking that's a likely culprit.

Creston

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: Creston


2) Bad PSU. Try finding the sticker on it (or go to the manufacturer's website) and find out how many Amps it has on the +12V line. This needs to be at least 15-18 to be on the safe side, and more doesn't hurt. If it only has 12A (some crappy PSUs do), it probably dies due to lack of power.

Its 19A

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: Creston
Download memtest+ from

www.memtest.org

and run it for a night or so, see if it's your memory.

is that memtest86+ the same thing? cause im not seeing just the memtest+