mxnerd
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People who says there is no issue with Windows 10 is because he does not handle enough machines. 
You don't get it... The update is FORCED on every computer, and if you roll it back becuse it does not work, its forced on you FOREVER, you can't stop it. No matter what was done, that is Microsofts fault.I have been reading, and I understand you are frustrated pointing blame outward. However, seeing how windows update works perfectly on the vast, VAST majority of everyone else's computers working windows 10, I am nudged to believe it is a conflict to something specific to your machine(s), or those close to you. Perhaps its conflicting with an unusual setting manipulation you did, or some piece of software not fully supported in windows 10 that you install. Perhaps its a registry error that went unnoticed until the update.. The possibilities are almost endless as to why it might of happened, but (and again) I cant help but think fault is at the user end or at the very least, attributable to some piece of non windows 10 software installed causing the conflict, that will inadvertently also fall on the users shoulders.
The bottom line is, is if windows 10 updates were actually killing perfectly working machines with nothing but supported software installed, then the internet would melt down with all the complaints. as it is, its a teeny tiny fraction of a percent of users who have problems and that usually spells user error. Sorry, but good luck!
Well, you knew that installing Windows 10 meant allowing this. MS is pretty candid in their EULA and privacy policy and stuff, about the more-or-less "forced" updates.You don't get it... The update is FORCED on every computer, and if you roll it back becuse it does not work, its forced on you FOREVER, you can't stop it. No matter what was done, that is Microsofts fault.
Until this update, updates were "optional", even in win10. Maybe the fine print said otherwise. And in over 33 years, I have never seen an update like this that was forced, and you could not option out.Well, you knew that installing Windows 10 meant allowing this. MS is pretty candid in their EULA and privacy policy and stuff, about the more-or-less "forced" updates.
So now I have a useless Xeon X5570 computer with 18 gig of ram ! And a useless I7 950
My windows 7 licenses are all used up in conversion to win 10. I could make it a linux box, and I may.Why not consider going back to Windows 7?
Or turn that Xeon system into an ESXi server?
Nope, all the installations go fine. After a reboot its a black screen and a perfect mouse cursor that works AND if I crtl-alt-del, I get a menu (in blue solid background) ! Task manager, change user something like that. But if I follow the instructions to get to safe mode, it will lockup right when you see a blue background with the version in the 4 corners.. Clicking in the start button gets a blue swirling circle, and a box that says something is not responding. Its locked up. And I waited, it just says not responding, shut down app, then repeats.
that happened to me by mistake. I'd installed Win 7 on a used laptop, then upgraded it to Windows 10 in a dual-boot configuration. Later, I was putting a desktop together and testing it -- thought I would simply buy another Win 7 for that purpose -- which I did. It was a Win 7 "download" -- but a legitimately licensed purchase. What did I do? I used the install disc for the previously-installed laptop OS -- by mistake. Suddenly, Win 7 on the laptop was giving me those messages to "get Genuine Windows 7" -- but the Windows 10 continued to work without a hitch. And -- the Win 7 OS on the desktop is without problem.I have found in more than one occurrence that a Windows 7 license was "freed up" after conventing to 10. Used both keys on other systems, no issue.
What I find funny/depressing about the Windows 10 'feature updates' was that the general wisdom before 2015 was that if you want to upgrade to a new version of Windows, you're better off doing a clean install. Then MS decided, "let's try to sneak a major OS upgrade on users without their permission!", gave an apology way afterwards, then decided, "let's do this twice a year and make them an absolute requirement!".
So whether I have to pay for the software or not, because Microsoft forced the update, and my sons computer for WORK is down indefinitely, and best case scenario is that I spend days reinstalling everything, its not their fault ? Come on Larry....
Valid questions. First, he works for a company that has 3 employees, him, and 2 admins. He can use a computer provided to him that is slow as a snail(dual core, 4 gig memory, I3 speed, no SSD). So I offered to provide him with a good one(E5570, 4 core 8 thread, and 18 gig of ram, and a 250 gig SSD), which his boss said was OK. As to how long ? First I have to drive up there (hours) and who know what I will encounter, and his boss said for a new computer, he had to buy a new key (his words). Not to mention restore all the old data files, and saved configs.Wait... wait... wait...
This stinks. Why are you doing the repair and not his job's IT staff? Why would it take so long? Are you getting paid for this? Why doesn't your son have the serial number for the software he bought? Why doesn't his employer provide him with the tools necessary to do his job? It's great that you want to help him, I guess, but maybe the better lesson here is that he needs to advocate for himself professionally?
- Your son has a computer for work. Work.
- He has CAD software on it, which he uses for work. Work.
- He paid for the CAD software. And not his employer.
- His computer got borked by Windows. (Okay, it happens.)
- You are, for some reason, the one stuck reformatting/reconfiguring the computer.
- This process takes you days, and not a couple hours.
- You have to buy the CAD software again?
Also, nothing personal, because I don't know you, but dude - if you're going to respond to criticism with "I'm a retired IT guy I know what I'm doing" you clearly haven't been around some of the IT guys I've had the displeasure of working with, and have no idea just how little confidence that sort of assertion engenders. (For me, that's up there with "What could go wrong?" and "Hold my beer!" in the Canonical List Of Phrases To Run Away From Really Fast™.)
Everything borks everything. Learn to fix your stuff.You're lucky. You could be one of those Ubuntu Linux users who had their laptop bricked because an update made the mistake of changing a firmware setting.
Valid questions. First, he works for a company that has 3 employees, him, and 2 admins. He can use a computer provided to him that is slow as a snail(dual core, 4 gig memory, I3 speed, no SSD). So I offered to provide him with a good one(E5570, 4 core 8 thread, and 18 gig of ram, and a 250 gig SSD), which his boss said was OK. As to how long ? First I have to drive up there (hours) and who know what I will encounter, and his boss said for a new computer, he had to buy a new key (his words). Not to mention restore all the old data files, and saved configs.
OK, sure, but I have to do all of those because Microsoft says it has to run the latest version ? and that version borks it ? And I can't say NO ? THATS my problem. If it worked, OK< but if it borks it, then I should be able to run the old version.
Edit: and my son sure can't do it... Let not even go there.....
I don't care if an exploit is developed which causes laptops to grow legs, retrieve knives, and murder their owners. I don't care if my mother gets ALL the spyware (Windows 10 is already just spyware). Literally every single forced update (of which switching to Windows 10 itself was one) screws up my mother's computer and has her calling me screaming. Now it is stuck on an endless loop of "Choose your keyboard, now choose another operating system or fail to do a start-up repair." It's something else every time. Last time they completely rearranged all the options in her Word and Excel for absolutely no reason.
Is there seriously no way to stop these %$*($@ forced updates?