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Every Muslim living in the West should read this...

I'd rather they read the testimony from the parents of the eight year old boy.

It is our humanity that binds us together, and anyone not moved by that has surely lost theirs.
 
They should actually start hearing things like this: http://articles.latimes.com/1986-01-07/news/mn-13892_1_soviets

We are far too "civilized" though for something like that however, so we'll continue to say "pretty please Mr. Terrorist don't kill me, with sugar on top."

Yes, some of us are apparently "too civilized" to kidnap the innocent relative of a terrorist, murder him, dismember his body, and ship body parts to the terrorists, despite how tempting it must feel to people like you to intentionally murder innocent people.

But why stop there? We could kidnap and gang-rape young girls related to terrorists. That and murdering other innocents would surely stem the creation of 1000 times as many terrorists as exist right now.
 
I'm so sorry people feel this way. It seems like the media has conditioned people and made the so-called Muslims the modern day boogeyman.

These two guys who did this were doing it for their own perverted cause. Why the need to ridicule the entire religion?

Btw, I am willing to bet that 99.99% of Muslims are not real Muslims.

i.e, they don't live it but rather follow some Imam or follow some twisted version of Islam that suits their agenda. That is NOT Islam.

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It is terrible what happened in Boston. No words can describe it. None.

Let's just leave it at that rather than cause more misery and fear. We already have enough of that.
 
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I'm so sorry people feel this way. It seems like the media has conditioned people and made the so-called Muslims the modern day boogeyman.

These two guys who did this were doing it for their own perverted cause. Why the need to ridicule the entire religion?

Btw, I am willing to bet that 99.99% of Muslims are not real Muslims.

i.e, they don't live it but rather follow some Imam or follow some twisted version of Islam that suits their agenda. That is NOT Islam.

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It is terrible what happened in Boston. No words can describe it. None.

Let's just leave it at that rather than cause more misery and fear. We already have enough of that.
If you ever get the chance to visit few Arabic countries then you might visit some mosques during daily prayers time, compare then number of attendees with vast amount of people over street and markets, and I'm talking about central Islamic countries.
I could go on and on, but long story short that you'd find most Arabs would agree that we're far from our religion as much as we have ever been.


As for the topic, I'm somehow scarred of the chance to possibly meet someday one of the 911 or Boston victims, when he would ask me why did we do that, for which I have no answer at all.
 
As for the topic, I'm somehow scarred of the chance to possibly meet someday one of the 911 or Boston victims, when he would ask me why did we do that, for which I have no answer at all.

Standing with us and denouncing the violence is enough, the only reason you'd be singled out as a Muslim is so few people know Muslims. I mean really know them, and appreciate that there's not a terrorist in every Mosque.

There's no sense of commonality or unity. The message of terrorism has spread far and wide. That is why you'd be asked that question and fear having no answer, our actions reflect our knowledge as determined by the media... so we're really extremely ignorant of Muslims and knowing the truth of if "they" are the "enemy" or not.

ISIS is actually useful in this regard, for we can call them out by name and help avoid isolating good people in the process.
 
To all Muslims (Anandtech) living in the West and Europe if you EVER decide to turn traitor/terrorist to your Country of birth (assuming its in the West or Europe) or residence then please click this link and also the facebook link on the page as well.

THINK before you act. I beg you.`


http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...-testifying/6y32FkfHzuxAuMhVZLrByM/story.html

LOL!

Yeah, I bet the LEGION of radical muslim extremists who read the Anandtech forums are going to see this and have a legitimate change of heart.

:awe: LOOOOOL :awe:

A little delusional, are we, Rob M? :biggrin:
 
As for the topic, I'm somehow scarred of the chance to possibly meet someday one of the 911 or Boston victims, when he would ask me why did we do that, for which I have no answer at all.

Why would or should anyone ask that question of you? If I was a Muslim and someone asked why the 9/11 attacks or Boston bombing occur my answer would be that these people were evil/had evil motives and were not acting in accordance with the teachings of Islam. And as a Muslim you do not support nor condone these actions as they're not in line with Islamic teachings.
 
Why would or should anyone ask that question of you? If I was a Muslim and someone asked why the 9/11 attacks or Boston bombing occur my answer would be that these people were evil/had evil motives and were not acting in accordance with the teachings of Islam. And as a Muslim you do not support nor condone these actions as they're not in line with Islamic teachings.

and yet, I doubt he would give you a straight answer if you ask him what the penalty for apostasy is.

Frankly, Islam is NOT a religion of peace. Throughout the Quran and the Hadith, there are countless acts of violence that are endorsed and even DEMANDED of their followers. Fear and intimidation through threats of violence are the very cornerstones of Islam.
 
and yet, I doubt he would give you a straight answer if you ask him what the penalty for apostasy is.

Frankly, Islam is NOT a religion of peace. Throughout the Quran and the Hadith, there are countless acts of violence that are endorsed and even DEMANDED of their followers. Fear and intimidation through threats of violence are the very cornerstones of Islam.

Actually someone already did, and he did respond.

Here's the thing that prevents Islam from spiraling back towards 1400 years ago: most humans have a pragmatic side. They selectively enforce portions of their religions and pay lip service to the rest, because enforcing all of it is impractical and unpopular. The Pope is against things like abortion and contraception yet you will find many Catholics who disobey.

Now, that's not to say that Muslims are just like everyone else--they are overrepresented among international terrorists and if you look at Muslim polls, a shocking number of people actually agree with things like the penalty for apostasy. ("But in South Asia and the Middle East and North Africa, medians of more than half back both severe criminal punishments and the death penalty for Muslims who renounce their faith.") So I think it's pretty apparent that as far as religions go, Islam is one of the harder-core ones and has grown more conservative in the last 50 years, in part due to Wahhabist funding from Saudi Arabia that has influenced its neighbors. If Saudi Arabia's official religion were a more lenient version of Islam, then I don't think we'd see as many problems with Islamic terrorists over the last several decades.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

I think Turkey is an interesting exhibit of what a modernized Islamic country might look like. Ataturk was a closet atheist who successfully introduced education to women, banned religious garb in government buildings, and Romanized the Turkish language, among other things. It was a top-down imposition, so even today you see the divide within Turkey: the liberal elite secularized cities vs. the conservative rural heartland. It's like the USA where you have lots of secular cities on the coasts and religious, conservative cities on the interior, but more so.

For years Turkey's army ensured that the country would remain at least nominally secular, but the thing about religious idiots is that they tend to make lots of babies, babies who grow up into crazy religious idiots like Erdogan, who is doing his best to undo Ataturk's secular legacy. Mr. Recep "Muslims discovered America" Erdogan served as Prime Minister already, wants to stay in power Putin-style (illegally). He's trying to make his current illegal leadership of the country legal by amending the Constitution, and the thing is, HE KEEPS WINNING ELECTIONS. Because religious crazy people make so many babies. This is why I keep saying that the best thing to do is to mandate high-quality education among women, so they stop cranking out so many poorly-educated nutjobs like Erdogan.
 
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They should actually start hearing things like this: http://articles.latimes.com/1986-01-07/news/mn-13892_1_soviets

We are far too "civilized" though for something like that however, so we'll continue to say "pretty please Mr. Terrorist don't kill me, with sugar on top."

Yea, lets kill an innocent person and then ship their body parts around, what a great idea. Maybe if you were smart enough to understand what is on the news, but we seem to actually drop bombs and shoot missiles at terrorists quite a bit. We even kill innocents and children, which should really get you excited. Possibly even erect.
 
If you ever get the chance to visit few Arabic countries then you might visit some mosques during daily prayers time, compare then number of attendees with vast amount of people over street and markets, and I'm talking about central Islamic countries.
I could go on and on, but long story short that you'd find most Arabs would agree that we're far from our religion as much as we have ever been.


As for the topic, I'm somehow scarred of the chance to possibly meet someday one of the 911 or Boston victims, when he would ask me why did we do that, for which I have no answer at all.
Why on Earth would anyone expect you to have an answer for other people's actions? I've read the parts of the Quran and the haddith which require violence against infidels, homosexuals, etc. I've also read the parts of the Bible which require violence against infidels, homosexuals, etc. Would you expect me to explain why the Lord's Army is hacking people to death in Africa? An individual is responsible for his own actions, and a group of individuals are responsible for their own actions, but Islam and Christianity are each far too large to be monolithic. Yes, Islam is far more violent a religion than is Christianity, but that doesn't make you responsible for others' interpretations of it. You aren't any more a part of that "we" than if you happened to share a skin shade or an ethnicity with the culprits.
 
Standing with us and denouncing the violence is enough, the only reason you'd be singled out as a Muslim is so few people know Muslims. I mean really know them, and appreciate that there's not a terrorist in every Mosque.

There's no sense of commonality or unity. The message of terrorism has spread far and wide. That is why you'd be asked that question and fear having no answer, our actions reflect our knowledge as determined by the media... so we're really extremely ignorant of Muslims and knowing the truth of if "they" are the "enemy" or not.

ISIS is actually useful in this regard, for we can call them out by name and help avoid isolating good people in the process.
I whish the public would always separate between average civilians who's main concern is to make a decent living and their policy/decision makers in the other hand, and that's meant for both sides of the equation.


I think the Arabs must understand that the average western citizen doesn't care about which religion you believe in, who you worship, the matter of Palestine/Israel, or any other of our own problems. They just mind their own business, and atop of that they're out there to make a living, like any normal human being should do.

The same could be said for the opposite direction, we don't wakeup every day with goal to convert everybody else or try to backstab them for what is happening here in the region. The average Arabic/Muslim goal is the same actually; to have a decent life.



Why would or should anyone ask that question of you? If I was a Muslim and someone asked why the 9/11 attacks or Boston bombing occur my answer would be that these people were evil/had evil motives and were not acting in accordance with the teachings of Islam. And as a Muslim you do not support nor condone these actions as they're not in line with Islamic teachings.
Why on Earth would anyone expect you to have an answer for other people's actions? I've read the parts of the Quran and the haddith which require violence against infidels, homosexuals, etc. I've also read the parts of the Bible which require violence against infidels, homosexuals, etc. Would you expect me to explain why the Lord's Army is hacking people to death in Africa? An individual is responsible for his own actions, and a group of individuals are responsible for their own actions, but Islam and Christianity are each far too large to be monolithic. Yes, Islam is far more violent a religion than is Christianity, but that doesn't make you responsible for others' interpretations of it. You aren't any more a part of that "we" than if you happened to share a skin shade or an ethnicity with the culprits.
What worries me for example, the continuous rise of Islamic/Muslims hatred because of such crimes, which I understand it happened because particularly the so considered leading Islamic countries did nothing tangible to both denounce such acts and educate the new generations on how wrong they were as well.

Actually, I was surprised at the Friday-prayer preach right after Charlie Hebdo attacks, in which the subject wasn't mentioned at all like it doesn't concern us or we don't care. Actually, if we have the slightest piece of brain then we must do all what we could do, the least reason would be that to protect some millions of Muslims living out there from revenge incidents.
And here just to make it clear, of course we refuse the insult to the prophet, but if someone justifies killing for it, then he must seek some mentality hospital.


Nobody could deny our harsh part of some Islamic rules and believes and it's already there translated and easily obtainable by anybody to read it, yet I don't understand why no one ever from had tried to study and discuss the other and yet the largest part of total 600 pages of Quran.
Problem is, and I always will repeat it, reading by it's original native language is totally different than reading it's translation.
 
In 1950'ies the statement was as follows

EVERY COMMUNIST LIVING IN THE WEST SHOULD READ THIS

In 1930'ies Germany

ALLES JUDEN IM DEUTSCHLAND MUSS DAS LESEN !
 
I whish the public would always separate between average civilians who's main concern is to make a decent living and their policy/decision makers in the other hand, and that's meant for both sides of the equation.

I think the Arabs must understand that the average western citizen doesn't care about which religion you believe in, who you worship, the matter of Palestine/Israel, or any other of our own problems. They just mind their own business, and atop of that they're out there to make a living, like any normal human being should do.

The same could be said for the opposite direction, we don't wakeup every day with goal to convert everybody else or try to backstab them for what is happening here in the region. The average Arabic/Muslim goal is the same actually; to have a decent life.

For some reason this story never makes the headlines. Average person, what's that? Fear... terror... war! The media highlights violence and extremism and thus give voice to it. They act as the agent of terrorism to deliver the message far and wide. How does the average person compete with that?

Our enemies, in many ways, are the devils we make them to be.

Which brings me back to you. Such positive words, speaking to the common good of the average person. Maybe if we found a way to bypass the media... to connect online and give voice to these people. Maybe such groups already exist... and we don't even know of them.

Ask on the street and people know the media... they get fed the hatred and the fear daily. They need to learn of people pushing back against that. Those groups need to be common household names like Fox, CNN, and MSNBC.
 
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