Maybe (just maybe) . . . we'll seeOriginally posted by: Red Dawn
I wonder how bad it would have to be in 20 years for someone to talk about how good the turn of the century was?
That poem sucked. I should mention that I hate poetry in all forms. And I'm an idiot. Yes, I wish I could have more sex with more women. What kind of question is that?Originally posted by: myusername
Forgive me father, for I hath spammed ATOT with poetry...
Miniver Cheevy, child of scorn,
Grew lean while he assailed the seasons;
He wept that he was ever born,
And he had reasons.
Miniver loved the days of old
When swords were bright and steeds were prancing;
The vision of a warrior bold
Would set him dancing.
Miniver sighed for what was not,
And dreamed, and rested from his labors;
He dreamed of Thebes and Camelot,
And Priam's neighbors.
Miniver mourned the ripe renown
That made so many a name so fragrant;
He mourned Romance, now on the town,
And Art, a vagrant.
Miniver loved the Medici,
Albeit he had never seen one;
He would have sinned incessantly
Could he have been one.
Miniver cursed the commonplace
And eyed a khaki suit with loathing;
He missed the medieval grace
Of iron clothing.
Miniver scorned the gold he sought,
But sore annoyed was he without it;
Miniver thought, and thought, and thought,
And thought about it.
Miniver Cheevy, born too late,
Scratched his head and kept on thinking;
Miniver coughed, and called it fate,
And kept on drinking.
-E.A.Robinson
I guess you never heard of the Beat Generation and Jack KeroackOriginally posted by: phantom309
But before the Sixties, there WAS no significant counterculture. Everything the hippies stood for was a direct, unprecedented threat to conventional America. As much of a cliche as it is now, having long hair in 1966 was a very bold political statement guaranteed to get you harassed - or worse - just about everywhere you went. That first wave of hippies were fighters - believe it or not, the Grateful Dead were originally gun nuts until the pacifists hounded them into downplaying it from their image. The folksinging, self-obsessed vegitarian "whining liberals" didn't start showing up until much later - when it was fashionable and safe. The point is that being young in the 60's wasn't just one long orgy of free love and cheap gas.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I guess you never heard of the Beat Generation and Jack KeroackOriginally posted by: phantom309
But before the Sixties, there WAS no significant counterculture. Everything the hippies stood for was a direct, unprecedented threat to conventional America. As much of a cliche as it is now, having long hair in 1966 was a very bold political statement guaranteed to get you harassed - or worse - just about everywhere you went. That first wave of hippies were fighters - believe it or not, the Grateful Dead were originally gun nuts until the pacifists hounded them into downplaying it from their image. The folksinging, self-obsessed vegitarian "whining liberals" didn't start showing up until much later - when it was fashionable and safe. The point is that being young in the 60's wasn't just one long orgy of free love and cheap gas.
It was fairly significant as it actually gave birth the the so called "Hippie" counter culture. There was even a TV show that deal with it (Dobie Gillis) It also made a significant mark on the Music scene.Originally posted by: phantom309
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I guess you never heard of the Beat Generation and Jack KeroackOriginally posted by: phantom309
But before the Sixties, there WAS no significant counterculture. Everything the hippies stood for was a direct, unprecedented threat to conventional America. As much of a cliche as it is now, having long hair in 1966 was a very bold political statement guaranteed to get you harassed - or worse - just about everywhere you went. That first wave of hippies were fighters - believe it or not, the Grateful Dead were originally gun nuts until the pacifists hounded them into downplaying it from their image. The folksinging, self-obsessed vegitarian "whining liberals" didn't start showing up until much later - when it was fashionable and safe. The point is that being young in the 60's wasn't just one long orgy of free love and cheap gas.
I said no SIGNIFICANT counterculture. The Beat Generation was a tiny movement that existed mostly on paper.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Coming from the totally repressed era of the 50's I'm sure the 60's were a breath of fresh air!Originally posted by: PingSpike
Maybe a little. Women had nice hairstyles back then...and in my younger years I would haved liked to get a little more play. But I presume things probably aren't as different as people make them out to be...I think that before the 60s things were a lot different so when the whole 'free love' thing finally happened it made a big social impact.
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Coming from the totally repressed era of the 50's I'm sure the 60's were a breath of fresh air!Originally posted by: PingSpike
Maybe a little. Women had nice hairstyles back then...and in my younger years I would haved liked to get a little more play. But I presume things probably aren't as different as people make them out to be...I think that before the 60s things were a lot different so when the whole 'free love' thing finally happened it made a big social impact.
Thats what I'm saying...the 60s have a reputation for being a huge screw-fest...but decades after that things probably haven't really changed much. The only reason the 60s really have that huge of a rep is probably because the decade before it, the 50s was still so repressed.
People just don't notice it anymore, because its the norm.
They were significant to the hippies, true, but to mainstream culture the Beats were really more a curiosity than anything else - sort of like the Goths or Wiccans are now. They didn't have the numbers or the focused political agenda to really shake the country up.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It was fairly significant as it actually gave birth the the so called "Hippie" counter culture. There was even a TV show that deal with it (Dobie Gillis) It also made a significant mark on the Music scene.Originally posted by: phantom309
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I guess you never heard of the Beat Generation and Jack KeroackOriginally posted by: phantom309
But before the Sixties, there WAS no significant counterculture. Everything the hippies stood for was a direct, unprecedented threat to conventional America. As much of a cliche as it is now, having long hair in 1966 was a very bold political statement guaranteed to get you harassed - or worse - just about everywhere you went. That first wave of hippies were fighters - believe it or not, the Grateful Dead were originally gun nuts until the pacifists hounded them into downplaying it from their image. The folksinging, self-obsessed vegitarian "whining liberals" didn't start showing up until much later - when it was fashionable and safe. The point is that being young in the 60's wasn't just one long orgy of free love and cheap gas.
I said no SIGNIFICANT counterculture. The Beat Generation was a tiny movement that existed mostly on paper.
Originally posted by: apoppin
How do you know?Originally posted by: Deeko
Not at all.
. . . the current decade is worlds better than back then.
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: apoppin
How do you know?Originally posted by: Deeko
Not at all.
. . . the current decade is worlds better than back then.
Do you think that because I wasn't alive back then, that I haven't spoken to anyone that lived back then? Friends? Parents? Look at technology alone...look at the AWFUL AWFUL music...I would rather stab myself in the eye with a rusty, aids-infested icepick than live then.