Ever have an extremely unlucky, terrible, no-good very bad day...with PC hardware?

Ichinisan

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I used to install cable modems for a local cable ISP, and I was able to make an overwhelmingly good impression on several hundred customers. Even though I no longer install cable modems, several people call me constantly to service their computers and recommend me to other people.

Recently, I got a call from a stranger who was given my phone number. His eMachines computer would lock up every time he tried to open IE. It turns out that it was choked up with spyware, causing the explorer.exe process to crash frequently and giving the appearance that the entire computer was locked up.

When he dropped off the computer with me, I took it to my apartment and plugged in a power cord. As many computers do, it powered on before I pressed the power button. I had not even connected any cords other than the power cord. I tried to force it off by holding in the power button, a low-level function that should work on any computer without a physical problem. To my dismay, it would not shut off, indicating a physical problem. The only way to get it to power down was to disconnect the power cord. I called the customer to confirm that the computer was supposed to be bootable and advised him on what I had already encountered. I told him that the next step would be to test each component in my working system. I also verified that the manufacturer's warranty was no longer valid before I took off the cover.

It was stuffed with clumps of dust as most computers that sit on the floor. I tried wiggling the memory module to see if it would make a better connection, no luck. The computer still has the same symptoms. I tested the memory in my own computer and it works. Tried it in a different slot on his computer, still no-go. I tried my Antec power supply in his system, connecting both the ATX power and the 4-pin AUX power, but it still would not boot.

I absolutely HATE transplanting AMD CPUs after some bad experiences in the past, so I was completely careful when I moved it into my system (which is also an socket-A nforce2-chipset board). I removed the existing thermal compound, cleaned the surfaces thoroughly with acetone, and properly applied high-performance Arctic Silver-5 compound. The CPU worked perfectly in my system.

The hard drive even booted up in my system without reinstalling Windows; due to the motherboards having the same chipset. I had to go through the activation process again, which was an exercise in frustration. The #$%^ing automated system hung up on me several times because there was no "hold on, dammit!" option while I was copying the product key from the eMachines chassis.

Once the activation prompt was passed, I was able to see that Windows was badly infested with loads of obvious spyware, including some particularly nasty ones that would even load in Safe Mode (apparently modifying Windows). I spent most of the day trying to consolidate/backup data from Internet Explorer + 3 different versions of Netscape, Outlook Express, and other apps/documents. All through the day, I was trying to get back in touch with the guy to let him know what had to be done before I could continue.

Already, this was an awkward situation. He handed me a computer that was booting when he disconnected it, but would not when I received it. When I finally got in touch with him after wasting most of the day, he gave the go-ahead to transplant his components from his machine into mine. I had a chassis that was only $5 after rebate, and the ATX motherboard of mine was too large to fit into the micro-ATX eMachines chassis.

After disconnecting, I properly mounted his hard drive in my chassis and moved over the two optical drives and the power supply. For some reason, my CPU was installed because I had swapped them back at some point during the day before I decided to sell him my motherboard. I swapped his CPU back in, making sure to add just a tiny speck of fresh AS5 because the heatsink had been removed and was being re-applied. The orientation was absolutely correct. I turned it on and...




...smelled ozone.















#$%^.


I already knew that I was going to come out behind after all this. I had no choice but to give him my CPU. I carefully installed my CPU this time going through the entire process again of carefully reapplying AS5 (the third time in one day, not including the disastrous partial application).

Turned it on...

...smelled ozone.





























#$%^.




Now I'm REALLY upset. I have not used this motherboard since before I paid $75 to MSI to have it fixed (the analog audio output had a broken-off headphone connector in it). It was most valuable to me for the SoundStorm feature, even though it doesn't have 400FSB support. Even after I paid for the repair, MSI sent back the wrong board thinking that I wouldn't notice the absence of SoundStorm, so I had to send it back and swap it out again. After I went through such effort, it looks like I have now lost one motherboard and two CPUs. Not only that, but I have to try and explain this to the guy, who is probably going to think I wasn't competent.

This probably had nothing to do with the CPU. My guess is that the crappy eMachines power supply destroyed the motherboard and possibly the CPUs also. There is no way to tell if the CPU's are OK without another socket-A motherboard, which are not easy to find around here. Also, I'm not sure if I'm risking a good motherboard to try these possibly-damaged CPUs. I have a power supply tester, but it always shows "good" on any power supply that provides any juice at all...which doesn't tell me much.





Cliffs:
I can't win.
 

secretanchitman

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damn dude. that sucks. i hate those kinds of days when crap like that happens.

hope things work out for you...
 

CurseTheSky

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Ouch. That sucks.

I've had a few days like that before. Luckily all of mine have straightened themselves out within the next couple of days. I hope the same happens for you.
 

loafbred

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It sounds to me as if the real problem is the power supply, and that it has been working intermittently. Connect a known good p/s to all of his parts again, but don't connect a HDD. Boot from the optical drive to something like UBCD to test for stability.
 

boles

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I had a bad one the other night and ashamed to admit it.....

Was finishing a build for a friend. bench tested entire thing then went to put it into the case. Wanted to watch football while I installed everything. put everything on the floor and started to screw it together. Had to get up to grab something from my desk and on the way back I kicked an open beer right into the case.

Man I was pissed but a hair dryer and 2 hours later I was lucky to get it to boot without too much headache.

 

Ichinisan

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Originally posted by: boles
I had a bad one the other night and ashamed to admit it.....

Was finishing a build for a friend. bench tested entire thing then went to put it into the case. Wanted to watch football while I installed everything. put everything on the floor and started to screw it together. Had to get up to grab something from my desk and on the way back I kicked an open beer right into the case.

Man I was pissed but a hair dryer and 2 hours later I was lucky to get it to boot without too much headache.

You LUCKY bastard!
:|
 

Jiggz

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I had one yesterday and it was two out of three RAM sticks being partially bad! You can only imagine the amount of troubleshooting done to get it done and have it finally isolated. So in the end, two sticks of ram out the window, and four re-installation and activation of XP!
 

stevty2889

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The E-machines power supply was probably proprietary..which would be why yours wouldn't work with his motherboard, and why using it on your motherboard gave the lovely aroma of burnt electronics..

Had that happen to me once while troubleshooting and older Compaq.
 

Roguestar

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Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. I read this thread title and though I'd post about when a colleague of mine (we're both placement students) broke a ZIF socket lever off when we needed to replace a CPU but your story just takes my breath away. I feel for you, I really do.

@ Boles: hahahaha you lucky, lucky fool!
 
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So waaay back in the 486DX2 Era my buddy (who's daddy was LOOOAAAAADDEEEDDDD) got a brand new 486DX2 Compaq PC for his Birthday. Most of us remember the kinds of money we had to dump into computers back then, and I could hardly afford my awesome 386 computer!

Well I went over and checked out his rig, not knowing any better, I thought it was pretty dang spiffy.

Not a week later he called me. Apparently he had been "tinkering" around inside his (working) computer...with it plugged in. He made contact with his skin, a screwdriver, some electrically charged part of his machine and the chassis. It shocked him so hard his hand shot out involuntarily and he rammed the screwdriver straight through the mainboard, popping chips and capacitors in the process. He called me to see if I could fix it. :D Which received a pithy reply of "HAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAA!" from his understanding but poor friend.

When I worked at Circuit City I sold a customer a video card and offered to install it as a side service (you wouldn't believe the money people would pay to put a slice of toast in a toaster) for $20 after work. He said he could handle it. Well the video card was a beast, and he couldn't get it to fit in his chassis...so he SANDED the end off to get it to fit, and got mad when we wouldn't let him return it for a refund when it wouldn't work properly.

Explaining that it was the length it was for a reason, didn't go well either. :)
 

Roguestar

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Originally posted by: NotQuiteAPCGuru
When I worked at Circuit City I sold a customer a video card and offered to install it as a side service (you wouldn't believe the money people would pay to put a slice of toast in a toaster) for $20 after work. He said he could handle it. Well the video card was a beast, and he couldn't get it to fit in his chassis...so he SANDED the end off to get it to fit, and got mad when we wouldn't let him return it for a refund when it wouldn't work properly.

Quality! :thumbsup:
 

Ichinisan

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I've heard of the proprietary Compaq power supplies...but weren't they AT-style instead of ATX-style connectors?
 

Ichinisan

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Originally posted by: NotQuiteAPCGuru
So waaay back in the 486DX2 Era my buddy (who's daddy was LOOOAAAAADDEEEDDDD) got a brand new 486DX2 Compaq PC for his Birthday. Most of us remember the kinds of money we had to dump into computers back then, and I could hardly afford my awesome 386 computer!

Well I went over and checked out his rig, not knowing any better, I thought it was pretty dang spiffy.

Not a week later he called me. Apparently he had been "tinkering" around inside his (working) computer...with it plugged in. He made contact with his skin, a screwdriver, some electrically charged part of his machine and the chassis. It shocked him so hard his hand shot out involuntarily and he rammed the screwdriver straight through the mainboard, popping chips and capacitors in the process. He called me to see if I could fix it. :D Which received a pithy reply of "HAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAA!" from his understanding but poor friend.
Witnessed some mishaps in my A+ cert classes loooong ago (when A+ was almost entirely hardware related and covered every insignificant legacy component). The power switch connectors on old AT systems had the full AC current running through. Also, connecting the power switch improperly would result in an exploding power supply. Finally, most power supplies and switches were not properly labeled/documented and there was no real standard...a recipe for disaster.
 

AstroGuardian

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While i was reading this thread i couldn't stop laughing. I remember once when i had this particular NO GOOD day with hardware. Gonna write about it tomorrow.
 

Roguestar

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Originally posted by: Ichinisan
Witnessed some mishaps in my A+ cert classes loooong ago (when A+ was almost entirely hardware related and covered every insignificant legacy component). The power switch connectors on old AT systems had the full AC current running through. Also, connecting the power switch improperly would result in an exploding power supply. Finally, most power supplies and switches were not properly labeled/documented and there was no real standard...a recipe for disaster.

My A+ lecturer was telling us the difference between AT and ATX and listing that as one of the points, and mentioned a time when he found some super-smart PC manufacturer had made their power switch out of metal, on an AT board, and the power connector wires had shorted on the button itself, so when they were using the PC they could only turn it on and off by using a pencil with a rubber eraser before they took it apart to fix it:p.
 

Texun

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Man I hurt just reading that. I've had a few but nothing that major. My biggest pain was way back in the DOS days. I just finished spending much of the afternoon installing a crap load of software (from floppies of course), writing batch files, configuring IRQs for the SB card and modem, etc. Once it was tuned and tweaked I decided to clean out some subdirectories attached to a dummy directory I used for keeping drivers and such using the deltree command.......... but I mistakenly ran it at the C:\ prompt instead of within the dummy directory. Poof!
 

dantonic

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Originally posted by: NotQuiteAPCGuru
So waaay back in the 486DX2 Era my buddy (who's daddy was LOOOAAAAADDEEEDDDD) got a brand new 486DX2 Compaq PC for his Birthday. Most of us remember the kinds of money we had to dump into computers back then, and I could hardly afford my awesome 386 computer!

Well I went over and checked out his rig, not knowing any better, I thought it was pretty dang spiffy.

Not a week later he called me. Apparently he had been "tinkering" around inside his (working) computer...with it plugged in. He made contact with his skin, a screwdriver, some electrically charged part of his machine and the chassis. It shocked him so hard his hand shot out involuntarily and he rammed the screwdriver straight through the mainboard, popping chips and capacitors in the process. He called me to see if I could fix it. :D Which received a pithy reply of "HAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAA!" from his understanding but poor friend.

When I worked at Circuit City I sold a customer a video card and offered to install it as a side service (you wouldn't believe the money people would pay to put a slice of toast in a toaster) for $20 after work. He said he could handle it. Well the video card was a beast, and he couldn't get it to fit in his chassis...so he SANDED the end off to get it to fit, and got mad when we wouldn't let him return it for a refund when it wouldn't work properly.

Explaining that it was the length it was for a reason, didn't go well either. :)

They should make a Master Card "Priceless" commercial out of this story ROFL
I'm still laughing
 

SparkyJJO

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emachines PSUs are crap yes. Had one that burned up partially, then took part of the mobo with it which would make it go berserk when "powered off" - lights flashing crazily, power turning on/off/on/off.... mobo PSU control circuitry bad apparently, new PSU didn't help. Remarkable that the RAM and CPU are still functional....
 

vanvock

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I fried a Pentium cpu just by adding a COAST module, turned out to be a tiny shaving in the socket I guess that had been on the module. Ever since I always check any RAM or cards before seating them in the slot.
 

CurseTheSky

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What were the most recent AMD processors that didn't have some sort of thermal shut-off? Socket A? Something older?

A friend of mine was playing around with some old generic system. The components actually looked newer compared to everything else around it (Pentium IIs, Pentium III-era Celerons, etc.), so we decided to take it apart to see what processor it was running. After removing the fan, heatsink, and chalk-like thermal material, we could see that it was some kind of AMD.

I went off to go Google the code on the processor to see what we were dealing with. In the mean time, he decided to start it up one more time to see if the copy of Windows 95 on the old HDD would boot.

He can running over with his arms flailing to tell me there was smoke coming from the processor socket. :p