Eventually releasing the enthusiast socket the same time as the mainstream socket?

[cbn]

The release time for the current enthusiast socket (LGA 2011-3) trailed the mainstream socket (LGA 1150) by ~15 months.

Do you think Intel will eventually be able to rectify this matter and eventually release the enthusiast socket at the same time as the mainstream socket?

If so, how do you think they will do it?

 

[KingFatty]

Is the issue a matter of being able to, or being economically most profitable to? I'd think there is a good economic/profit reason to release things in waves the way they have been doing, rather than a matter of technical ability.

 

[ShintaiDK]

No, for the simple matter that LGA2011v3 comes from servers and need extra validation of platform and designs.

 

[Idontcare]

The release time for the current enthusiast socket (LGA 2011-3) trailed the mainstream socket (LGA 1150) by ~15 months.

Do you think Intel will eventually be able to rectify this matter and eventually release the enthusiast socket at the same time as the mainstream socket?

If so, how do you think they will do it?

Only if they artificially and intentionally delay the mainstream socket so as to create the situation in which they are both ready at the same time.

It physically takes more work, more time, and more money to develop the enthusiast socket ecosystem and accompanying CPUs versus that of the mainstream socket ecosystem.

Another way to think of it is to consider the process of climbing a ladder. What you are asking is if it is possible to skip-over the bottom 6 rungs on the ladder and just go straight to the 7th rung as if the first 6 rungs don't even exist.

And the short answer is "no" it is not possible. Somehow, somewhere, at some point in time (unbeknownst to you if necessary) the work of traversing up those first 6 rungs on the ladder must actually happen before you can find yourself at that 7th rung.

And lastly, don't forget that the mainstream product is basically a reduced version of the enthusiast product, meaning you don't get one with out the other. Any effort to create the enthusiast product will, in essence, create the mainstream product.

Those processor cores, they have to exist before you get to decide the mainstream product is going to have 4 of them while the enthusiast product gets 6 or 8 or 18 of them.

So you are quite certainly asking Intel to slow-down on the relatively minor level of effort it takes to roll out the mainstream platform (in comparison to the validation efforts required for the enthusiast/HEDT platforms) just so they don't debut any faster than the timeline incurred in getting the enthusiast platform prep'ed and readied for its debut.

 

[cbn]

And lastly, don't forget that the mainstream product is basically a reduced version of the enthusiast product, meaning you don't get one with out the other. Any effort to create the enthusiast product will, in essence, create the mainstream product.

Those processor cores, they have to exist before you get to decide the mainstream product is going to have 4 of them while the enthusiast product gets 6 or 8 or 18 of them.

One major difference I've noticed between the enthusiast and mainstream products is die size. For example, the LGA 1150 4C/GT2 Haswell is only 177mm2, while the LGA 2011-3 die sizes come in a 354mm2 (8C), 492mm2 (12),m 662mm2 (18c) --> http://www.anandtech.com/show/8730/intel-haswellep-xeon-14-core-review-e52695-v3-and-e52697-v3

So while LGA 2011-3 may require extra validation (beyond what the LGA 1150 Xeon requires) due to multi-socket I have to wonder how much of that is really part of the equation? Certainly I would imagine yields is also a big part of Intel's decision making.

 

[tynopik]

And the short answer is "no" it is not possible.

Bloomfield came out before Lynnfield