Even More News on R520 Delay

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Now your just inventing ways in which to disagree. YESSSSSSS whatever!!! paper launch, or pre-release who gives a crap? On paper they are different yes, but not in the real world. Both will let us know what we cant have yet.

Please excuse me for my inability to mind read a message posted on the internet. You said "paper launch" so I mistakenly assumed you MEANT "paper launch".

My bad.

You did not get anything wrong Creig. Its just your inflexible mind. Paper Launch and Pre-release are two different things from a PR standpoint but accomplish the same exact damn thing. Get the much needed information out to the starving masses (us) so we can better decide what to do (or not do YET) with our money. You can play the word by word by word game guys, but it just wastes my time and everyone elses. Can we use a little common sense and a little less tight-assness around here please? eh????

Err. Paper launch means that you launch your product on that day saying there is availability of it on that day and not acutally producing any availibility or very small quantities of it on that day, then 2 months later they all start flooding in.

Examples of paper launches. X850, X800, 6800. All paper launched. All said to be in stock with retailers on that certain date, and 3 or 4 months later, they actually WERE in stock.

So the meaning of paper launch is the launch of the product is only produced on paper, but no in the actual object.

Pre release review or Preview is totally different. Its where specifications and benchmarks or even review sites like AT get engineering samples or product samples earlier than when the object is launched. So that ppl can get a first look at them before the actual product is launeched.

Pre release review. Meaning a review before the product is released.
Preview. Meaning a review of the product before its released.

So if specifications and reviews came out before the product was launched would you call that a paper launch? Well no one else would because nothing has been launched or released has it?

PR standpoint of the difference of paper launch and pre release are still 2 totally different things. Again try expanding the world pre release. It actually means Preview release. A preview of a product that is GOING to be released.

I think your hatred for Creig is blinding you from being understanding of the 2 different things...

O............................M.........................F.......................G.................! Duh...
Does a paper launch tell you about the product? .....yes....
Does a Preview tell you about the product?.............yes again....
Do you see my point? Oh? Not if I don't see yours first? Whatever man. You guys are arguing semantics. Well have fun. Everyone seems to have the preternatural power to understand what I am talking about but you. I think even Creig is getting it now. And FYI? Blind hatred for Creig? WTF are you smoking? I don't hate him at all. We just disagree about every frigging thing known and unknown to man.

Err. Ok

Paper Launch you get to see the specs
Preview you get to see the specs.

Paper launch. No availability of the product even tho youve launched it and so everyone gets pissed off and cant buy it, meaning all preorders are taken back, and they go to nVidia to buy instead

Preview. No such thing happening as above.

Lol. Calm down, im not attacking you, this is what i think these 2 say.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Drayvn
Paper Launch you get to see the specs
Preview you get to see the specs.

Paper launch. No availability of the product even tho youve launched it and so everyone gets pissed off and cant buy it, meaning all preorders are taken back, and they go to nVidia to buy instead

Preview. No such thing happening as above.

Thank you for rephrasing it for me Dravyn. This is the distinction I was attempting to make.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Now your just inventing ways in which to disagree. YESSSSSSS whatever!!! paper launch, or pre-release who gives a crap? On paper they are different yes, but not in the real world. Both will let us know what we cant have yet.

Please excuse me for my inability to mind read a message posted on the internet. You said "paper launch" so I mistakenly assumed you MEANT "paper launch".

My bad.

You did not get anything wrong Creig. Its just your inflexible mind. Paper Launch and Pre-release are two different things from a PR standpoint but accomplish the same exact damn thing. Get the much needed information out to the starving masses (us) so we can better decide what to do (or not do YET) with our money. You can play the word by word by word game guys, but it just wastes my time and everyone elses. Can we use a little common sense and a little less tight-assness around here please? eh????

Err. Paper launch means that you launch your product on that day saying there is availability of it on that day and not acutally producing any availibility or very small quantities of it on that day, then 2 months later they all start flooding in.

Examples of paper launches. X850, X800, 6800. All paper launched. All said to be in stock with retailers on that certain date, and 3 or 4 months later, they actually WERE in stock.

So the meaning of paper launch is the launch of the product is only produced on paper, but no in the actual object.

Pre release review or Preview is totally different. Its where specifications and benchmarks or even review sites like AT get engineering samples or product samples earlier than when the object is launched. So that ppl can get a first look at them before the actual product is launeched.

Pre release review. Meaning a review before the product is released.
Preview. Meaning a review of the product before its released.

So if specifications and reviews came out before the product was launched would you call that a paper launch? Well no one else would because nothing has been launched or released has it?

PR standpoint of the difference of paper launch and pre release are still 2 totally different things. Again try expanding the world pre release. It actually means Preview release. A preview of a product that is GOING to be released.

I think your hatred for Creig is blinding you from being understanding of the 2 different things...

O............................M.........................F.......................G.................! Duh...
Does a paper launch tell you about the product? .....yes....
Does a Preview tell you about the product?.............yes again....
Do you see my point? Oh? Not if I don't see yours first? Whatever man. You guys are arguing semantics. Well have fun. Everyone seems to have the preternatural power to understand what I am talking about but you. I think even Creig is getting it now. And FYI? Blind hatred for Creig? WTF are you smoking? I don't hate him at all. We just disagree about every frigging thing known and unknown to man.

Err. Ok

Paper Launch you get to see the specs
Preview you get to see the specs.

Paper launch. No availability of the product even tho youve launched it and so everyone gets pissed off and cant buy it, meaning all preorders are taken back, and they go to nVidia to buy instead

Preview. No such thing happening as above.

Lol. Calm down, im not attacking you, this is what i think these 2 say.

Yes. The bolded lines are the ONLY point I was making. I know the difference between Paper Launch and Preview. Why can't you understand this? We all need to see the specs to make some sort of decision. Like, "Is it going to be worth it to wait for R520?"
or, "Oh no way man, I'm not waiting for 3 to 4 months just to have a card that looks like it will be only just as good as a 7800GTX."

I know your not attacking, just a little miffed because you guys keep trying to explain to me the difference between the two when all I was talking about is what we identically get out of both of them. Info. Not caring if available yet or not or any promise of it. Just info.
Cheers.

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Now your just inventing ways in which to disagree. YESSSSSSS whatever!!! paper launch, or pre-release who gives a crap? On paper they are different yes, but not in the real world. Both will let us know what we cant have yet.

Please excuse me for my inability to mind read a message posted on the internet. You said "paper launch" so I mistakenly assumed you MEANT "paper launch".

My bad.

You did not get anything wrong Creig. Its just your inflexible mind. Paper Launch and Pre-release are two different things from a PR standpoint but accomplish the same exact damn thing. Get the much needed information out to the starving masses (us) so we can better decide what to do (or not do YET) with our money. You can play the word by word by word game guys, but it just wastes my time and everyone elses. Can we use a little common sense and a little less tight-assness around here please? eh????

Err. Paper launch means that you launch your product on that day saying there is availability of it on that day and not acutally producing any availibility or very small quantities of it on that day, then 2 months later they all start flooding in.

Examples of paper launches. X850, X800, 6800. All paper launched. All said to be in stock with retailers on that certain date, and 3 or 4 months later, they actually WERE in stock.

So the meaning of paper launch is the launch of the product is only produced on paper, but no in the actual object.

Pre release review or Preview is totally different. Its where specifications and benchmarks or even review sites like AT get engineering samples or product samples earlier than when the object is launched. So that ppl can get a first look at them before the actual product is launeched.

Pre release review. Meaning a review before the product is released.
Preview. Meaning a review of the product before its released.

So if specifications and reviews came out before the product was launched would you call that a paper launch? Well no one else would because nothing has been launched or released has it?

PR standpoint of the difference of paper launch and pre release are still 2 totally different things. Again try expanding the world pre release. It actually means Preview release. A preview of a product that is GOING to be released.

I think your hatred for Creig is blinding you from being understanding of the 2 different things...

O............................M.........................F.......................G.................! Duh...
Does a paper launch tell you about the product? .....yes....
Does a Preview tell you about the product?.............yes again....
Do you see my point? Oh? Not if I don't see yours first? Whatever man. You guys are arguing semantics. Well have fun. Everyone seems to have the preternatural power to understand what I am talking about but you. I think even Creig is getting it now. And FYI? Blind hatred for Creig? WTF are you smoking? I don't hate him at all. We just disagree about every frigging thing known and unknown to man.

Err. Ok

Paper Launch you get to see the specs
Preview you get to see the specs.

Paper launch. No availability of the product even tho youve launched it and so everyone gets pissed off and cant buy it, meaning all preorders are taken back, and they go to nVidia to buy instead

Preview. No such thing happening as above.

Lol. Calm down, im not attacking you, this is what i think these 2 say.

Yes. The bolded lines are the ONLY point I was making. I know the difference between Paper Launch and Preview. Why can't you understand this? We all need to see the specs to make some sort of decision. Like, "Is it going to be worth it to wait for R520?"
or, "Oh no way man, I'm not waiting for 3 to 4 months just to have a card that looks like it will be only just as good as a 7800GTX."

I know your not attacking, just a little miffed because you guys keep trying to explain to me the difference between the two when all I was talking about is what we identically get out of both of them. Info. Not caring if available yet or not or any promise of it. Just info.
Cheers.

Sorry then on my part.

Its just i think ATi now want to captilise on what nVidia did, and not paper launch this series. And that they know they will get a rebuking if they did.

But i do understand your concern, i want to know the specs also. I just dont want to have to be told its being sold now. And then i cant buy it until their refresh is out. *cough cough* like th X800 - X850 😛

 

[Keysplayr]

Yes, it was off the hook out of control annoying with the last gen release. In stock for 3 minutes then out of stock for a week.

 

[Xentropy]

More like out of stock for a year. PCI-E versions, anyway.

 

[Mrvile]

Anyway to start a new line I was really impessed when ATI got their X850XT and X800XL line out when it was supposed to. Although they're on the same cores, it really beat trying to get one of those damn X800XTs (at the time). But still, ATI was shaky as ever with the X800XTs, and I doubt this new launch will be any better.

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Yes, it was off the hook out of control annoying with the last gen release. In stock for 3 minutes then out of stock for a week.

Lol yea, and retailers saying theyve got some and lo and behold all 2 of them have been sold 😛