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Even after bankruptcy, this couple still overspends...

Anonemous

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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-money-makeover-furry-20110220,0,849848,full.story

Wow. 🙁

latimes.com
MONEY MAKEOVER
After bankruptcy filing, couple's spending continued
Lisa and Stephen Furry splurged on a getaway at a four-star hotel but haven't paid the mortgage on their North Hollywood home since September. A financial planner helps them with a reality check.

By Kelly Barron

February 20, 2011
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Lisa and Stephen Furry have hit financial rock bottom, even though they're not acting like it.

The couple filed for bankruptcy a little more than a year ago, wiping out $50,000 in credit card debt, yet their household spending outstrips their income. They shop at Whole Foods, spend freely on beauty products and splurged on a wedding anniversary getaway to Santa Barbara — at a four-star hotel.

They haven't paid the mortgage on their North Hollywood home since September, and a default notice could come at any time.

Things have gotten so bad that Lisa recently borrowed $200 from her 7-year-old daughter's savings account to cover household expenses.

"We're a paycheck away from the homeless shelter," said Lisa, 45, only half jokingly as she sat in her living room next to her 135-pound mastiff named Madison.

Brad Hartman, a financial planner in Glendale who reviewed the couple's finances, found no humor in the situation.

"It's a little surreal," he said. "They barely have enough cash to buy groceries.

"They need a reality check."

So, how did the Furrys get to this point?

Stephen, 32, earned $62,000 last year working as a grip and lighting technician on film and TV crews, but the work is sporadic. It came to a near-halt during the 2007-08 writers' strike, not long after the Furrys bought the house with a high-risk mortgage.

Lisa does not earn a salary — she home-schools their daughter.

In addition to the mortgage, the couple took on the medical costs of in-vitro fertilization therapy in an attempt to have another child. The expenses helped tip them into the bankruptcy filing.

Currently, the Furrys have just $900 in checking and savings accounts and $4,300 in retirement savings. They have a $440,000 mortgage, a $40,000 home equity line and a $3,000 car loan.

"I know we have these financial issues and I feel the stress of it," said Stephen, who suffers from chronic lower-back pain.

When he's not working, he gets roughly $1,800 a month in unemployment benefits, but that doesn't even cover the couple's mortgage, property tax and insurance costs, which if they were paying them would amount to nearly $2,600 a month.

The house, purchased in 2005 for $575,000, was a financial stretch, to say the least. The Furrys took out a negative-amortization loan that had an initial low monthly mortgage payment. The payment rose over time, and deferred interest was tacked on to the principal.

"I don't quite understand why they bought the house," Hartman said.

Like many buyers, the Furrys banked on appreciation and the ability to refinance. When home prices dropped, they were underwater on a house they couldn't afford.

The couple stopped paying the mortgage in the fall in hopes of unloading the house — now estimated to be worth less than $400,000 — and the mortgage in a short sale. That type of transaction involves selling the home for less than what's owed, but it requires approval by the lender. That approval can take months to obtain, if at all.

Even without the house payments, Hartman figured the Furrys were spending as much as $1,000 more a month than was coming in, with the difference coming out of the family's dwindling savings accounts. The expenses included nearly $300 on household supplies, not counting groceries. And Lisa spent about $275 a month on beauty products and services.

The couple's pets, which include a rabbit, cost about $200 a month.

"That just doesn't work," Hartman said of the overall spending. "They need to change their entire thought process."

His financial plan for the Furrys slashed monthly expenses by about $1,500, including taking household supplies down to $150 and beauty expenses to $75. There were also cuts to grocery, clothing and magazine subscription outlays.

Then, to get the couple to live within a budget and consider every purchase, Hartman pulled out a Depression-era technique: envelope budgeting.

Hartman divided the Furrys' expenses into 13 categories — such as groceries, entertainment and restaurants — each with its own envelope and designated amount. At the beginning of every month, the amounts are to be put into the envelopes, either in the form of cash or index cards upon which debit card purchases are to be duly noted (the Furrys have no credit cards).

Hartman, who has used the envelope technique with families earning as much as $300,000 annually, believes the Furrys will spend more wisely using the method, and even start saving.

He advised the couple to keep saving until they have six to eight months' worth of their after-tax income, or about $32,000, in an emergency fund. Because Stephen's work is unpredictable, they also need to establish a separate account to save enough to cover three to four months' expenses.

Aside from cutting expenses and saving money, the Furrys also need to work harder.

"Every day Stephen doesn't have work he needs to be looking for it," Hartman said.

Lisa, too, needs to get at least a part-time job. Because she cared for her mother for nine years, Hartman suggested she look for work helping the elderly. Also, Hartman suggested that the couple reconsider home-schooling their daughter so Lisa can work full time.

"My main fear is that they don't have enough money coming in," Hartman said, adding that an extra $2,000 a month would be a tremendous help.

The Furrys need to get rid of their house and move into a cheaper apartment. A short sale, if the lender allows it and a buyer can be found, would have less of an effect on their already damaged credit than going into foreclosure.

All this advice was a lot to take in. But the Furrys said it helped them face up to the realities of their situation.

Most important, they took action.

Since meeting with the planner, the Furrys began using the envelope system.

"It kind of put me at ease to see where the money goes and know what to do," said Stephen, who also stepped up his search for work.

Lisa, meanwhile, landed a part-time job, working on weekends through an agency as a home-care companion for elderly clients.

"This has been a long time coming," Lisa said.
 
The problem lies here:


They shop at Whole Foods, spend freely on beauty products and splurged on a wedding anniversary getaway to Santa Barbara — at a four-star hotel.


They don't live in the reality of their situation. They need to become homeless... they they'll stop Shopping at Whole Foods... and going to Santa Barbara.
 
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Some people are idiots when it comes to their finances. The worse ones are the ones that are into this level of trouble, and continue to live the high life. I can't be around people like that.
 
Well at least they got someone to help them with their finances. More than what most people do. Gotta start somewhere.
 
LOL, the daughter's home schooled.

That's going to end well.

EDIT: Also, what's with Americans and home schooling? It seems really common over there.

I've never met anyone who was home schooled. And I've never heard of it outside of a remote farm type situation.

Are they afraid their kids will learn about evolution and other facts?
 
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Lisa spent about $275 a month on beauty products and services....

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She's getting ripped off... and should sue someone
 
LOL, the daughter's home schooled.

That's going to end well.

EDIT: Also, what's with Americans and home schooling? It seems really common over there.

I've never met anyone who was home schooled. And I've never heard of it outside of a remote farm type situation.

Are they afraid their kids will learn about evolution and other facts?

The education system is a complete failure. Home schooling can't be any worse, but could potentially be much better.
 
What they should do if someone files bankruptcy is put you on financial probation. All your debts get frozen and you don't have to pay and they're not collected on. Then you have a year to prove you understand that its to be taken seriously. If you do then the debts are eligible to be erased. If you don't you lose that right and the debt goes back to its original pre probation status.
 
The education system is a complete failure. Home schooling can't be any worse, but could potentially be much better.

It'd be better to be home school here in LA or just watch Sesame Street for the rest of your life. Either way you'd be smarter than everyone here.
 
I wonder if their social circle is all upscale people and they felt they had to save face by doing all the things their friends do. In an advice column in our local paper yesterday someone wrote in saying his circle of friends go out to dinner once a month at high-end restaurants, he is unemployed and can't really afford it now, so what should he do? The columnist said to tell his friends he can't afford expensive restaurants. Duh!

I don't really understand how unspoken peer pressure could make people spend money they don't have but I know it's not uncommon.
 
Eh, sounds like they just needed someone to kick them in the ass and then show them what they were doing wrong. At least they seem to have responded appropriately to the planner's advice and suggestions.

Now if they'd spurned all that and said something like, "but life is about LIVING, there's no point if you can't just enjoy yourselves along the way," then yeah, they're entirely deserving of ridicule.
 
LOL, the daughter's home schooled.

That's going to end well.

EDIT: Also, what's with Americans and home schooling? It seems really common over there.

I've never met anyone who was home schooled. And I've never heard of it outside of a remote farm type situation.

Are they afraid their kids will learn about evolution and other facts?

Public school system is crap. I totally understand why people home school their kids.
 
LOL, the daughter's home schooled.

That's going to end well.

EDIT: Also, what's with Americans and home schooling? It seems really common over there.

I've never met anyone who was home schooled. And I've never heard of it outside of a remote farm type situation.

Are they afraid their kids will learn about evolution and other facts?

Some school districts in America are absolute failures and some are extremely successful.
I was homeschooled for several years. My mothers justification for it was that we couldn't afford private school and the local school was too dangerous with stabbings, muggings. When we moved I went back into the school system.
 
I had a friend like that. He and his wife were spending outrageous sums of money on toys, cars, etc. They went out one day and bought a new Yukon and Miata and then mere weeks later, a new Escape. Literally every weekend, they would spend several hundred at Fry's or some craft show. As a matter-of-fact, they bought so much crap that they had a room stacked with boxes. They didn't even have enough time to open everything they bought!

His wife had to finally quit her job, allegedly because of fibromyalgia (she was an office worker). That cost them approximately $60K per year in salary and she was turned down for disability. Did that stop their spending? Heck no -- they kept piling up the expenses, taking vacations, etc.

They finally had to declare bankruptcy. They went to a bankruptcy attorney and according to my friend, the attorney REAMED them. They had to get rid of a couple of the cars and a bunch of other stuff. He blamed his wife quitting work as the reason, but at the rate they were spending, they were doomed even with her working as their monthly bills were already much more than the money she brought home every month.

I just shook my head. There is no reason for that and no reason she couldn't have kept working, cut back on spending, and consolidated their loans.
 
I wish they would bring back debtors prison. Throw the whole family in there and put the daugther up for adoption.

It might end up costing the taxpayer more money, but at least I would have the satisfaction of knowing they were at least being punished on my taxpayer dollar.

As it is now these fuckers just get rewarded for living like this.
 
I wish they would bring back debtors prison. Throw the whole family in there and put the daugther up for adoption.

It might end up costing the taxpayer more money, but at least I would have the satisfaction of knowing they were at least being punished on my taxpayer dollar.

This is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. People like this have a disease and need help, not prison. Its just like any other addiction.
 
This is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. People like this have a disease and need help, not prison. Its just like any other addiction.

Yes, the "disease" is called chronic lack of personal responsiblility and the cure is a swift kick in the ass and making them suffer the consequences instead of making lame excuses like the one above.
 
Our family income from 2007 until now is 20% of what it once was. I can't say we're saving much, but we're not in the hole. I even have beer money. 🙂 I think the biggest difference is buying "stuff". I have enough stuff. This all happened rather unexpected, but we've fared well.
 
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