Eve Online

[AliasX]

So I've been playing for a month now but I'm still quite a noob. I sort of trained a few big skills like learning to 5 and now that those are all set I'm doing some of the noob missions. I'm caldari, and want to eventually be able to do some PvP. I have a long ways to go of course, and just lost my ship in a mission. Just wondering if anyone has any words of advice or could help me out.

Thanks

 

[Flammable]

train and train...lol

 

[AliasX]

But what should I train?

 

[NikolaeVarius]

You trained learning during your first month?

Why did you feel like you had to torture yourself?

For the first couple of months the skills you're getting are too few SP to even worry about learning skills.

Don't die

 

[nsafreak]

For caldari you typically want to train your missile skills, your shield skills and your electronic warfare skills up. Those are all generalizations and some people geneeralize while some specialize. Is there a particular role you're looking to take on in PvP?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Do you already have the salvaging skill? My advice to any new player is to salvage. You'll get rich even on newbie missions.

 

[AliasX]

What is salvaging and how do you do it?

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: AliasX
What is salvaging and how do you do it?

1. Get in a decent and helpful corp.
2. Ask them.
3. ???
4. Profit.

 

[Czar]

Join a good corp!

only advice you need, the rest you will learn with time

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: AliasX
What is salvaging and how do you do it?

You need to train Salvaging I. Which itself has a couple rereqs which you may have already met. Then you need to buy a salvager and affix it to your ship. The next time you blow something up, use the salvager on it. On larger missions, even as a newbie, you could pull in 1 mill easily.

 

[blipblop]

Yea, are you still in an NPC corp? I would find a corp that is helpful to noobies... Eve-University or something else.

The great thing about Eve is that you can almost do anything you want.

 

[DannyLove]

Join a Industrial Corp. See if Carbide Industries [CAR] still exist, I used to be from there back in my days. Good peeps and a great way to start and socialize.

 

[Drift3r]

Do you have EVEMON and EFT ? If not go to the official EVE forums and get those two applications ASAP. Those are critical planning tools useful to any would be mission runner, miner, pvp'er, etc... Now you really don't need to hop in a battleship right away IMHO. Stick with a battlecruiser and run missions and salvage for while. Max out your offensive skills be it missiles or guns and any other support skills like drones, electronics, engineering, hull upgrades, energy upgrades etc.. you want to get those out of the way IMHO.

Also for pvp you don't need a battleship to be useful. You can pvp with Tech 2 cruisers, frigate, destroyers, and battlecruiser ships and be very useful. Every tech 2 ship has a primary role that it plays in fleet/gang warfare ( ECM, Webbing, Warp jamming, Energy capacitor neutralizing, etc.. ) so have that in mind when creating a plan to fit into a ship type which you might be aiming for in both PvE and PvPl. The key to EVE is finding a good corp that fits into your needs. IMHO Mission running, salvaging mission wrecks and refining dropped modules by mission rats can be very profitable. Hell the amount of high quality minerals you get from refining down all those npc tech 1 modules you gain can make you tons of cash and allow you to manufacturer your own ammo and T1 rigs. Also it's a good way at generating ISK in Empire space besides mining, hauling, scamming or playing the market.

If you are interested in joining a corp/Alliance then pm me. The corp/Alliance I am in is looking for more people to fill our ranks as we have access to 0.0 space and a station. Admittedly we don't do much mission running in Empire as a corp/Alliance but if you like I can teach you a few things. I make most of my ISK in Empire doing Missions though I also rat from time to time in 0.0 space. That can be very profitable but also very dangerous from time to time. Most of the corp/Alliance for which I am a part of is based in 0.0 space. We do have many folks who go back and fourth to Empire and 0.0 space all the time so you won't be stuck in Empire by yourself.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Do you have EVEMON and EFT ? If not go to the official EVE forums and get those two applications ASAP. Those are critical planning tools useful to any would be mission runner, miner, pvp'er, etc... Now you really don't need to hop in a battleship right away IMHO. Stick with a battlecruiser and run missions and salvage for while. Max out your offensive skills be it missiles or guns and any other support skills like drones, electronics, engineering, hull upgrades, energy upgrades etc.. you want to get those out of the way IMHO.

Also for pvp you don't need a battleship to be useful. You can pvp with Tech 2 cruisers, frigate, destroyers, and battlecruiser ships and be very useful. Every tech 2 ship has a primary role that it plays in fleet/gang warfare ( ECM, Webbing, Warp jamming, Energy capacitor neutralizing, etc.. ) so have that in mind when creating a plan to fit into a ship type which you might be aiming for in both PvE and PvPl. The key to EVE is finding a good corp that fits into your needs. IMHO Mission running, salvaging mission wrecks and refining dropped modules by mission rats can be very profitable. Hell the amount of high quality minerals you get from refining down all those npc tech 1 modules you gain can make you tons of cash and allow you to manufacturer your own ammo and T1 rigs. Also it's a good way at generating ISK in Empire space besides mining, hauling, scamming or playing the market.

If you are interested in joining a corp/Alliance then pm me. The corp/Alliance I am in is looking for more folks to fill our ranks as we have access to 0.0 space and a station. Admittedly we don't do much mission running in Empire as a corp/Alliance but if you like I can teach you a few things cuzz I make most of my ISK in Empire doing Missions. Most of the corp/Alliance is based in 0.0 space though we do have many folks who go back and fourth to Empire and 0.0 space all the time.

He has 2 million sp. He probably doesnt have enough money for a BC, much less a fitted one, OR skills to fly one well at all.

He needs another year before T2 cruisers. Probably shouldn't fly a Interceptor either, bit expensive to lose for a new player, especially because of insurance

Stay away from battleships. A poorly skilled battleship pilot make the Eve gods cry

 

[cirrhosis]

poastin in an EVE thread.

Yeah, what others said about BSes in the early game. Don't skill for them - it's better to specialize toward smaller ships and after a few years, skill yourself up to BSes and caps.

 

[Praxis1452]

You can be a Hac/Recon by 10m skillpoints if you directly skill for them. 15m for BS is generally alright.

BC's are good ships. I'd still work on cruisers. Once you get t2 medium guns you can start to train up BC's. And of course, support skills matter.

 

[nsafreak]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Do you have EVEMON and EFT ? If not go to the official EVE forums and get those two applications ASAP. Those are critical planning tools useful to any would be mission runner, miner, pvp'er, etc... Now you really don't need to hop in a battleship right away IMHO. Stick with a battlecruiser and run missions and salvage for while. Max out your offensive skills be it missiles or guns and any other support skills like drones, electronics, engineering, hull upgrades, energy upgrades etc.. you want to get those out of the way IMHO.

Also for pvp you don't need a battleship to be useful. You can pvp with Tech 2 cruisers, frigate, destroyers, and battlecruiser ships and be very useful. Every tech 2 ship has a primary role that it plays in fleet/gang warfare ( ECM, Webbing, Warp jamming, Energy capacitor neutralizing, etc.. ) so have that in mind when creating a plan to fit into a ship type which you might be aiming for in both PvE and PvPl. The key to EVE is finding a good corp that fits into your needs. IMHO Mission running, salvaging mission wrecks and refining dropped modules by mission rats can be very profitable. Hell the amount of high quality minerals you get from refining down all those npc tech 1 modules you gain can make you tons of cash and allow you to manufacturer your own ammo and T1 rigs. Also it's a good way at generating ISK in Empire space besides mining, hauling, scamming or playing the market.

If you are interested in joining a corp/Alliance then pm me. The corp/Alliance I am in is looking for more folks to fill our ranks as we have access to 0.0 space and a station. Admittedly we don't do much mission running in Empire as a corp/Alliance but if you like I can teach you a few things cuzz I make most of my ISK in Empire doing Missions. Most of the corp/Alliance is based in 0.0 space though we do have many folks who go back and fourth to Empire and 0.0 space all the time.

He has 2 million sp. He probably doesnt have enough money for a BC, much less a fitted one, OR skills to fly one well at all.

He needs another year before T2 cruisers. Probably shouldn't fly a Interceptor either, bit expensive to lose for a new player, especially because of insurance

Stay away from battleships. A poorly skilled battleship pilot make the Eve gods cry

A year away from a t2 cruiser? I think you're forgetting how much of a boost new players have gotten in terms of skills they start the game with compared to the old days. If I recall correctly most people can fight & properly fit a t2 cruiser in about 4-5 months. This will vary depending upon his attributes but its generally close to that range. And yes I'm including a full t2 fit in those calculations.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: nsafreak

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Do you have EVEMON and EFT ? If not go to the official EVE forums and get those two applications ASAP. Those are critical planning tools useful to any would be mission runner, miner, pvp'er, etc... Now you really don't need to hop in a battleship right away IMHO. Stick with a battlecruiser and run missions and salvage for while. Max out your offensive skills be it missiles or guns and any other support skills like drones, electronics, engineering, hull upgrades, energy upgrades etc.. you want to get those out of the way IMHO.

Also for pvp you don't need a battleship to be useful. You can pvp with Tech 2 cruisers, frigate, destroyers, and battlecruiser ships and be very useful. Every tech 2 ship has a primary role that it plays in fleet/gang warfare ( ECM, Webbing, Warp jamming, Energy capacitor neutralizing, etc.. ) so have that in mind when creating a plan to fit into a ship type which you might be aiming for in both PvE and PvPl. The key to EVE is finding a good corp that fits into your needs. IMHO Mission running, salvaging mission wrecks and refining dropped modules by mission rats can be very profitable. Hell the amount of high quality minerals you get from refining down all those npc tech 1 modules you gain can make you tons of cash and allow you to manufacturer your own ammo and T1 rigs. Also it's a good way at generating ISK in Empire space besides mining, hauling, scamming or playing the market.

If you are interested in joining a corp/Alliance then pm me. The corp/Alliance I am in is looking for more folks to fill our ranks as we have access to 0.0 space and a station. Admittedly we don't do much mission running in Empire as a corp/Alliance but if you like I can teach you a few things cuzz I make most of my ISK in Empire doing Missions. Most of the corp/Alliance is based in 0.0 space though we do have many folks who go back and fourth to Empire and 0.0 space all the time.

He has 2 million sp. He probably doesnt have enough money for a BC, much less a fitted one, OR skills to fly one well at all.

He needs another year before T2 cruisers. Probably shouldn't fly a Interceptor either, bit expensive to lose for a new player, especially because of insurance

Stay away from battleships. A poorly skilled battleship pilot make the Eve gods cry

A year away from a t2 cruiser? I think you're forgetting how much of a boost new players have gotten in terms of skills they start the game with compared to the old days. If I recall correctly most people can fight & properly fit a t2 cruiser in about 4-5 months. This will vary depending upon his attributes but its generally close to that range. And yes I'm including a full t2 fit in those calculations.

I don't think ANYONE would recommend going T2 in 5 months. I'm at 19 mil, and even I hesitate to fly T2.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: nsafreak

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Do you have EVEMON and EFT ? If not go to the official EVE forums and get those two applications ASAP. Those are critical planning tools useful to any would be mission runner, miner, pvp'er, etc... Now you really don't need to hop in a battleship right away IMHO. Stick with a battlecruiser and run missions and salvage for while. Max out your offensive skills be it missiles or guns and any other support skills like drones, electronics, engineering, hull upgrades, energy upgrades etc.. you want to get those out of the way IMHO.

Also for pvp you don't need a battleship to be useful. You can pvp with Tech 2 cruisers, frigate, destroyers, and battlecruiser ships and be very useful. Every tech 2 ship has a primary role that it plays in fleet/gang warfare ( ECM, Webbing, Warp jamming, Energy capacitor neutralizing, etc.. ) so have that in mind when creating a plan to fit into a ship type which you might be aiming for in both PvE and PvPl. The key to EVE is finding a good corp that fits into your needs. IMHO Mission running, salvaging mission wrecks and refining dropped modules by mission rats can be very profitable. Hell the amount of high quality minerals you get from refining down all those npc tech 1 modules you gain can make you tons of cash and allow you to manufacturer your own ammo and T1 rigs. Also it's a good way at generating ISK in Empire space besides mining, hauling, scamming or playing the market.

If you are interested in joining a corp/Alliance then pm me. The corp/Alliance I am in is looking for more folks to fill our ranks as we have access to 0.0 space and a station. Admittedly we don't do much mission running in Empire as a corp/Alliance but if you like I can teach you a few things cuzz I make most of my ISK in Empire doing Missions. Most of the corp/Alliance is based in 0.0 space though we do have many folks who go back and fourth to Empire and 0.0 space all the time.

He has 2 million sp. He probably doesnt have enough money for a BC, much less a fitted one, OR skills to fly one well at all.

He needs another year before T2 cruisers. Probably shouldn't fly a Interceptor either, bit expensive to lose for a new player, especially because of insurance

Stay away from battleships. A poorly skilled battleship pilot make the Eve gods cry

A year away from a t2 cruiser? I think you're forgetting how much of a boost new players have gotten in terms of skills they start the game with compared to the old days. If I recall correctly most people can fight & properly fit a t2 cruiser in about 4-5 months. This will vary depending upon his attributes but its generally close to that range. And yes I'm including a full t2 fit in those calculations.

I don't think ANYONE would recommend going T2 in 5 months. I'm at 19 mil, and even I hesitate to fly T2.

Then I'd say it's because you don't have the isk to afford t2 losses. You CAN fly t2 at those stages and be successful. Certain ships don't really require that much. I mean Falcon really excels at recon 5 but tbh recon 5 is not a requirement. And in terms of heavy assault ships you need even less. Vaga is what, t2 medium projectiles and good nav skills? Some minor shield skills take a very minute amount of time. Munnin isn't used as much but still doesn't require that many skill points. Ishtar needs tech 2 heavies though. Deimos can be used quite well but needs gunnery support skills to 4-5 as well as t2 medium drones. Cerberus and eagle are also quite easy to fit. Cruiser and cruiser support skills don't take that long.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Then I'd say it's because you don't have the isk to afford t2 losses.

Few people can afford multiple T2 losses. I live in 00, so hesitate to fly T2 because of the random gate bubbles that rape even the best pilot.

Vaga is what, t2 medium projectiles and good nav skills? Some minor shield skills take a very minute amount of time.

If you fly T2, you're pretty much expected to have everything to level 4, or in some crucial skills 5. They take a long time. You're much better off just going for Battlecruisers, and using those. HAC's are basically faster BC's anyway. There is NO precedent for going HAC that fast

Cerberus and eagle are also quite easy to fit

May I have the stuff you're smoking?

Outside a sniper setup, which is boring as all hell, the Cerberus is a BITCH to fit. I don't fly Eagle, so I don't know much, but I have no reason to suspect differantly.

In short, there is NO reason to say that ANY player should rush toward HAC's. Mostley because most HAC's gonna be nerfed by the patch, but also because lack of ANY pvp experiance, and the fact that, outside of moving faster, BC's do a HAC's Job at like, a 20th of the price

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Then I'd say it's because you don't have the isk to afford t2 losses.

Few people can afford multiple T2 losses. I live in 00, so hesitate to fly T2 because of the random gate bubbles that rape even the best pilot.

Vaga is what, t2 medium projectiles and good nav skills? Some minor shield skills take a very minute amount of time.

If you fly T2, you're pretty much expected to have everything to level 4, or in some crucial skills 5. They take a long time. You're much better off just going for Battlecruisers, and using those. HAC's are basically faster BC's anyway. There is NO precedent for going HAC that fast

Cerberus and eagle are also quite easy to fit

May I have the stuff you're smoking?

Outside a sniper setup, which is boring as all hell, the Cerberus is a BITCH to fit. I don't fly Eagle, so I don't know much, but I have no reason to suspect differantly.

In short, there is NO reason to say that ANY player should rush toward HAC's. Mostley because most HAC's gonna be nerfed by the patch, but also because lack of ANY pvp experiance, and the fact that, outside of moving faster, BC's do a HAC's Job at like, a 20th of the price

Cerberus > Vaga nano'd. Nano'ing is quite easy to make things fit.
In fact Vaga is actually pretty shit, but that's a different discussion.

And the only point I'm arguing is that you can fly a t2 cruiser decently well by the time you reach 6 months as long as you choose something that doesn't require huge amounts of specialization(like the pilgrim which needs recons V) and of course have the isk to lose a few polycarbed ships.

I wouldn't reccomend training for hac's right now. I agree with you there. I'm only saying it's quite possible and the fact that you fear to fly t2 at 19m sp is unsubstantiated.

 

[nsafreak]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Then I'd say it's because you don't have the isk to afford t2 losses.

Few people can afford multiple T2 losses. I live in 00, so hesitate to fly T2 because of the random gate bubbles that rape even the best pilot.

Vaga is what, t2 medium projectiles and good nav skills? Some minor shield skills take a very minute amount of time.

If you fly T2, you're pretty much expected to have everything to level 4, or in some crucial skills 5. They take a long time. You're much better off just going for Battlecruisers, and using those. HAC's are basically faster BC's anyway. There is NO precedent for going HAC that fast

Cerberus and eagle are also quite easy to fit

May I have the stuff you're smoking?

Outside a sniper setup, which is boring as all hell, the Cerberus is a BITCH to fit. I don't fly Eagle, so I don't know much, but I have no reason to suspect differantly.

In short, there is NO reason to say that ANY player should rush toward HAC's. Mostley because most HAC's gonna be nerfed by the patch, but also because lack of ANY pvp experiance, and the fact that, outside of moving faster, BC's do a HAC's Job at like, a 20th of the price

Really? Bring a BC of your choice to battle and my Ishtar & it will do battle. You live in 0.0 and you can't afford multiple T2 losses? Well I can't say I lose them often but on average I make about 150 million a night in ratting in 0.0. And that's not including officer/faction spawns.

HACs are NOT going to get nerfed. Everybody has their panties in a knot because they are equalizing speed across the board. There are some HACs that will still be able to speed tank (Ishtar & Vaga will probably still be able to) while others will have to revert back to a more traditional role. The Deimos is being nano fit now but in the past it did just fine in either a gank or tank role. HACs in general are going to be just fine, some people may have to change the way they fly them but that's nothing new really.

We're not saying that he has to rush towards it but the timeframe that it takes for most people to reach capable T2 status is not as long as you state it is in terms of financially or in terms of skills.

 

[Michael]

Because of the insurance payout difference, I usually recommend that newer players PvP in battlecruisers. They use all the same equipment as T2 cruisers, so the better you get at BC PvP, the better your T2 cruiser will be as well.

Once your fitting, cap, and tanking skills are where they should be, then I suggest moving up to Battleship. You need about 9 months in the game to be even semi-credible in a battleship in PvP. I have over 30M skill points and I still fight in a Domi because I don't have T2 large guns (for the Megathron). Mind you, i have a fair amount of industry points, but I can fight very well in a Brutix, Deimos or Ishtar because I poured the points into medium equipment.

Michael