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Mardeth

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Europeans still embrace that approach. They have conveniently wiped out the truth of their colonialism from their historical education, constantly repeating the same historical blunders. How many European nations charged into Iraq with the US? Rwandan genocide? Srebrenica? Chad? Sudan? It keeps repeating.

Whats your problem? All of them were civil wars, as I see it, US did even less to stop them...

Never seen you posting anything else than some bs about europe...

As for not caring what europeans think, I can understand that. Not our business really. But if I can say something. If something pisses of europeans is the condescending attitude towards other countries. Throwing your weight around to get what you want. Kidnapping other countries citizens (imagine how US would react if US citizen would be treated in that manner, then it would be the biggest sin ever, "how do they dare, we are americans!"). Oh and all that crap about freedom, geez. Annoys the crap out of me. Claiming to be most the free country in the world (althought your at best a contender for a top 10 spot). Dream country where every one wants to live. Etc..

One example of the attitude towards other countries: My mother worked for the South African embassy. The embassador (obviously a diplomat) went to have lunch or whatever with the US embassador (in Finland). The marines guarding wouldnt let him in without doing a (body?) search for weapons etc. Obviously violating his rights as a diplomat. But hell, your americans! :D

Generally the lack of character/inviduality/expressing yourself bugs me too. You can spot an american from a mile away. Sneakers, light blue jeans or khakis and a polo shirt. Oh yeah, thats an american. Oh and the sub urbs. Exact same houses as far as the eye can see! Remember, dont do anything that might differ from your neighbour! You might break the mold!

Wow, phew, thanks for listening! Im sure there are things that you hate about europeans. (As a whole, not just "French are pansies!")

Btw, I love a lot of things too, dont get me wrong. Would I like to live there? Dont know, maybe temporarily...
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Mardeth
Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Europeans still embrace that approach. They have conveniently wiped out the truth of their colonialism from their historical education, constantly repeating the same historical blunders. How many European nations charged into Iraq with the US? Rwandan genocide? Srebrenica? Chad? Sudan? It keeps repeating.

Whats your problem? All of them were civil wars, as I see it, US did even less to stop them...

You just don't get it because historically Europeans tend to look away from their negative actions. It kind of hurts the image of supremacy. France was directly involved in Rwanda. Several European nations invaded Iraq with the US. The Dutch allowed thousands to be massacred in Srebrenica.

HOLOCAUST DENIAL IS DISGUSTING. Please read up on European history, especially in regards to colonialism and how it affects the world today. You'll be shocked how what you were taught in school is so supremacist and goes against the facts.

Never seen you posting anything else than some bs about europe...

You see what you want to see.

As for not caring what europeans think, I can understand that. Not our business really.

I didn't say that. I think that you should consider what others think, even though I do think that the US should focus less on Europeans due to their declining status in the world & potential to be our enemy and focus on other countries and regions.

But if I can say something. If something pisses of europeans is the condescending attitude towards other countries. Throwing your weight around to get what you want. Kidnapping other countries citizens (imagine how US would react if US citizen would be treated in that manner, then it would be the biggest sin ever, "how do they dare, we are americans!"). Oh and all that crap about freedom, geez. Annoys the crap out of me. Claiming to be most the free country in the world (althought your at best a contender for a top 10 spot). Dream country where every one wants to live. Etc..

Amazing. That's the same thing that that annoys people of Europe. They look down on people because of their race, ethnicity, religion, etc. Anything that makes them different than the majority means that they must be eradicated. Their governments actively work in kidnapping citizens with the US, but because their government is of their own ethnicity, it is excused.

All that crap about being a great place, social systems, etc. have a big asterisk that is ignored. They are only for the majority, not any minorities. Minorities must be subservient.

One example of the attitude towards other countries: My mother worked for the South African embassy. The embassador (obviously a diplomat) went to have lunch or whatever with the US embassador (in Finland). The marines guarding wouldnt let him in without doing a (body?) search for weapons etc. Obviously violating his rights as a diplomat. But hell, your americans! :D

Generally the lack of character/inviduality/expressing yourself bugs me too. You can spot an american from a mile away. Sneakers, light blue jeans or khakis and a polo shirt. Oh yeah, thats an american. Oh and the sub urbs. Exact same houses as far as the eye can see! Remember, dont do anything that might differ from your neighbour! You might break the mold!

I thought you were describing Europeans there. Anything that is not part of the majority must be eradicated. Different race? Change your skin color! Different religion? Change your religion? Different culture! Change your culture!
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Mardeth
Generally the lack of character/inviduality/expressing yourself bugs me too. You can spot an american from a mile away. Sneakers, light blue jeans or khakis and a polo shirt. Oh yeah, thats an american. Oh and the sub urbs. Exact same houses as far as the eye can see! Remember, dont do anything that might differ from your neighbour! You might break the mold!

Wow. People like you are why Americans don't care what Europeans think. You're a moron who watches too many movies.

You know Gilligan and the Skipper never really got shipwrecked, don't you?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Mardeth
Generally the lack of character/inviduality/expressing yourself bugs me too. You can spot an american from a mile away. Sneakers, light blue jeans or khakis and a polo shirt. Oh yeah, thats an american. Oh and the sub urbs. Exact same houses as far as the eye can see! Remember, dont do anything that might differ from your neighbour! You might break the mold!

Wow. People like you are why Americans don't care what Europeans think. You're a moron who watches too many movies.

You know Gilligan and the Skipper never really got shipwrecked, don't you?

The only Americans who don't care what Europeans think are really ignorant ones who give all the rest of us a bad name.

As far as the stereotyping goes, well that's stupid too. I would have to say that the suburbs are a carbon copy hellscape though.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Mardeth
Generally the lack of character/inviduality/expressing yourself bugs me too. You can spot an american from a mile away. Sneakers, light blue jeans or khakis and a polo shirt. Oh yeah, thats an american. Oh and the sub urbs. Exact same houses as far as the eye can see! Remember, dont do anything that might differ from your neighbour! You might break the mold!

Wow. People like you are why Americans don't care what Europeans think. You're a moron who watches too many movies.

You know Gilligan and the Skipper never really got shipwrecked, don't you?

The only Americans who don't care what Europeans think are really ignorant ones who give all the rest of us a bad name.

As far as the stereotyping goes, well that's stupid too. I would have to say that the suburbs are a carbon copy hellscape though.

:roll:

Intelligent people recognize their own faults and strive to overcome them. Only shallow, self-absorbed assholes attempt to shape their lives around the way others view them.
 

Butterbean

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I love Europe (old and new) but their recent reversal from their liberal slide probably cant keep them from collapsing into very difficult times. They are very feminized and the self- hating males de-balled (not the Muslim guys of course). In UK its probably the chavs and hoollies that will have to save the country. Weakened, liberalized socities always resent masculine values once they lose thiers.
 

Lurknomore

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
I love Europe (old and new) but their recent reversal from their liberal slide probably cant keep them from collapsing into very difficult times. They are very feminized and the self- hating males de-balled (not the Muslim guys of course). In UK its probably the chavs and hoollies that will have to save the country. Weakened, liberalized socities always resent masculine values once they lose thiers.

I think 95% of the posters in P&N will skip over this viewpoint because they cannot recognize the very truth- oftentimes it is the very energy of the restless and "lower" classes that often turns into resentment against outsiders, but which can serve as the very right hand of the weak, wishy-washy academics and liberals who cannot fathom protecting themselves with their very own hands because 1) they don't know how 2) they rely on others 3) they think it infringes upon everyones civil liberties. How would liberal society react if the "intolerant" right-wing fascist working-class types (and that includes police, military, construction, manufacturing, road-sewage-subway maintenance, prison officials, farmers and anyone who does grunt work) were to band together and blame their economic and personal downturns on minorities and immigrants? If the pots starts to boil, you bet the nervous nellies on top would surely finds ways to reform immigration policy and crack down on radical types who try to inflame passions and cause d&d in their host country.
So yes, you are absolutely correct- the massive cauldron of energy starts at the bottom, if the bottom can get some kindling together with some sulfur matches.
 

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Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Originally posted by: Butterbean
I love Europe (old and new) but their recent reversal from their liberal slide probably cant keep them from collapsing into very difficult times. They are very feminized and the self- hating males de-balled (not the Muslim guys of course). In UK its probably the chavs and hoollies that will have to save the country. Weakened, liberalized socities always resent masculine values once they lose thiers.

I think 95% of the posters in P&N will skip over this viewpoint because they cannot recognize the very truth- oftentimes it is the very energy of the restless and "lower" classes that often turns into resentment against outsiders, but which can serve as the very right hand of the weak, wishy-washy academics and liberals who cannot fathom protecting themselves with their very own hands because 1) they don't know how 2) they rely on others 3) they think it infringes upon everyones civil liberties. How would liberal society react if the "intolerant" right-wing fascist working-class types (and that includes police, military, construction, manufacturing, road-sewage-subway maintenance, prison officials, farmers and anyone who does grunt work) were to band together and blame their economic and personal downturns on minorities and immigrants? If the pots starts to boil, you bet the nervous nellies on top would surely finds ways to reform immigration policy and crack down on radical types who try to inflame passions and cause d&d in their host country.
So yes, you are absolutely correct- the massive cauldron of energy starts at the bottom, if the bottom can get some kindling together with some sulfur matches.
I've always suspected that Butterbean was resentful and harboring ill-will about something. A lost, down-trodden feeling, in combination with his obsession with manhood and gays (and we know what the most vocal anti-gay people really are), must be the cause of tremendous internal conflict.
 

Deudalus

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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
By your asinine logic I should assert that anybody who voted for Bush has no business being allowed to vote ever again, since they're obviously duped and misled by empty propaganda and have little to no understand of domestic and foreign politics. You who vote for the worst president in the history of the US don't deserve to have a voice anymore. How do you feel about that?

The propaganda you buy into is far more dangerous and lethal than anything put out by that little communist government - how many tens of thousands of people have they killed lately? Sure it's a matter of scale and perhaps not a fair comparison. So let's look at China - who do you think is responsible for the deaths of more innocent people since 2003 - the US or China?

First of all, you need a bit more sense than to expect to work me back into a box and label me.

You disagree with what I'm saying, fine tell me why. But your pathetic ruse of calling me "a Bush voter" or some other thing is ridiculous. You have no idea who I voted for or if I even voted.

Second of all, refusing to value a communist mind controlled citizens uninformed opinion and taking away someone's right to vote because YOU THINK I might have voted for someone is two vastly different things.

But then again I don't expect someone with such meager intelligence to understand that difference to be honest.

Thirdly, what propaganda did I buy into? Do you have my on record voting for the Iraq war? Am I a politician that votes to fund it?

Stop trying to label me and work backwards from that reasoning, you don't know me and you don't know what I think or whom I vote for.

I think you might be in over your heard here.
 

Deudalus

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
The only Americans who don't care what Europeans think are really ignorant ones who give all the rest of us a bad name.

As far as the stereotyping goes, well that's stupid too. I would have to say that the suburbs are a carbon copy hellscape though.

Why do you care what Europeans think?

To put it to you another way, why do you think Europeans are so enlightened?

Let me put it to you another way, I give about as much of a shit of what the limousine liberals in Hollywood think as I do the evangelican christians in bible camp in BFE Kansas and they are citizens of my very own country and vote for and against the same people I vote for and against.

So do you care what an evangelical preacher that lives in your state thinks?

You don't give a shit what he thinks, because he thinks something different from you but the Euros who see shit the same way as you well you value the shit out of their opinion because you love it when your choir gets preached to.


I don't give a shit what ANY OF THEM thinks, I'll listen to their opinion and I will consider it. But I would never change any of my views simply because someone else doesn't share them.

Stop being such a lemming.
 
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: skace
Why the fuck did we elect him a second time again?

Because the alternative was John "I served in Vietnam" Kerry...
It's pretty bad when he would have been preferable to your guy, President Shit for Brains.

It's always easy to play the 'what if' game... Truth is we don't know how big a loser Kerry would have been as president. Maybe he instantly pulls out of Iraq, the place collapses and we're stuck with suicide bombers every week at Grand Central Station. Maybe he unites the free world and single handedly creates a utopian brotherhood amongst all people. Who knows!

Everybody knows that I'm not a Bush fanboi... But playing the "He couldn't have done worse" card is a pretty weak stance. Who knew four years ago that Bush would be THIS bad? That Iraq would be THIS much of a mess? That our economy would be THIS fucked up? Lots of people had low expectations of him but even the people who despised him the most are continually surprised at just how bad he really turned out to be. For the most part he has exceeded their worst predictions. So who's to say that Kerry wouldn't have been worse? There is no way to know.

Not that it matters... the present is what it is. Our president is who he is. And four years ago, without the benefit of the last four years of hindsight, there was no way in hell I was voting for that ridiculous, socialist, goof, Kerry.
 

Mardeth

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Mardeth

Whats your problem? All of them were civil wars, as I see it, US did even less to stop them...

You just don't get it because historically Europeans tend to look away from their negative actions. It kind of hurts the image of supremacy. France was directly involved in Rwanda. Several European nations invaded Iraq with the US. The Dutch allowed thousands to be massacred in Srebrenica.

HOLOCAUST DENIAL IS DISGUSTING. Please read up on European history, especially in regards to colonialism and how it affects the world today. You'll be shocked how what you were taught in school is so supremacist and goes against the facts.

Never denied holocaust (the german one). All the events you describe where planned and executed by their own people. I dont see you critizing africa for the genocides they have done. The fact that europeans make mistakes while peacekeeping is because they actually do some. Unlike US. You cant make mistakes if you dont do ANYTHING...

The fact of them matter is, US has done its share of genocides and so has europe. Both still makes "mistakes" but at least we are going in right direction. If its genocide you want to talk about, some balance would be nice... In thread about Japan, write something about Nanking. Russia and Stalin. US and the native americans. China and Panthay rebellion, the Dungan revolt or the suppression of Miao people. Should I go on?

Never seen you posting anything else than some bs about europe...

You see what you want to see.

I see what I see. Dont know if you write in other categories in AT, but in P&N, its ONLY europe and genocide related, whether its the topic or not.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Deudalus
To put it to you another way, why do you think Europeans are so enlightened?

Europeans aren't the only ones enlightened, Bush is universally hated both at home and around the world and for good reasons. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Mardeth

Never denied holocaust (the german one). All the events you describe where planned and executed by their own people. I dont see you critizing africa for the genocides they have done. The fact that europeans make mistakes while peacekeeping is because they actually do some. Unlike US. You cant make mistakes if you dont do ANYTHING...

The events I described had active involvement of European governments. France was actively involved in the Rwandan genocide. The Dutch in Srebrenica. etc. Europeans will never stop these activities if they purge knowledge of these from their textbooks, media, etc. Generation after generation, Europeans forget their past. The deaths never stop. Why must so many societies all around the world suffer from European rage?

Colonialism is not peacekeeping. It is genocide.

The fact of them matter is, US has done its share of genocides and so has europe. Both still makes "mistakes" but at least we are going in right direction. If its genocide you want to talk about, some balance would be nice... In thread about Japan, write something about Nanking. Russia and Stalin. US and the native americans. China and Panthay rebellion, the Dungan revolt or the suppression of Miao people. Should I go on?

My posts don't solely refer to the topic of past genocides. They are about how Europeans continue to support genocides and how their past genocides continue to affect current events today.

 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Deudalus
Originally posted by: eskimospy
The only Americans who don't care what Europeans think are really ignorant ones who give all the rest of us a bad name.

As far as the stereotyping goes, well that's stupid too. I would have to say that the suburbs are a carbon copy hellscape though.

Why do you care what Europeans think?

To put it to you another way, why do you think Europeans are so enlightened?

Let me put it to you another way, I give about as much of a shit of what the limousine liberals in Hollywood think as I do the evangelican christians in bible camp in BFE Kansas and they are citizens of my very own country and vote for and against the same people I vote for and against.

So do you care what an evangelical preacher that lives in your state thinks?

You don't give a shit what he thinks, because he thinks something different from you but the Euros who see shit the same way as you well you value the shit out of their opinion because you love it when your choir gets preached to.


I don't give a shit what ANY OF THEM thinks, I'll listen to their opinion and I will consider it. But I would never change any of my views simply because someone else doesn't share them.

Stop being such a lemming.

I don't think Europeans are so enlightened. I just don't think their opinions have no value. Probably because they control one of the largest economies in the world, along with huge geopolitical influence. I guess considering that being interested in what they had to say would be downright silly.

You're just trying to attack me on the basis of things you wish I said as opposed to what I actually said. This is fine, I don't really care. You have already embarrassed yourself. Please continue posting your "I wish the most inclusive party in American history would include me" posts... I find them funny.
 

Mardeth

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms

The events I described had active involvement of European governments. France was actively involved in the Rwandan genocide. The Dutch in Srebrenica. etc. Europeans will never stop these activities if they purge knowledge of these from their textbooks, media, etc. Generation after generation, Europeans forget their past. The deaths never stop. Why must so many societies all around the world suffer from European rage?

Colonialism is not peacekeeping. It is genocide.

My posts don't solely refer to the topic of past genocides. They are about how Europeans continue to support genocides and how their past genocides continue to affect current events today.

As far as I know, the dutch didnt intervene because they werent authorizied and/or they were very lightly armed. Hardly active. About the Rwanda genocide I know very little but your the only one to say that the french were involved. Please, could you link some info?

 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Mardeth
Originally posted by: CanOWorms

The events I described had active involvement of European governments. France was actively involved in the Rwandan genocide. The Dutch in Srebrenica. etc. Europeans will never stop these activities if they purge knowledge of these from their textbooks, media, etc. Generation after generation, Europeans forget their past. The deaths never stop. Why must so many societies all around the world suffer from European rage?

Colonialism is not peacekeeping. It is genocide.

My posts don't solely refer to the topic of past genocides. They are about how Europeans continue to support genocides and how their past genocides continue to affect current events today.

As far as I know, the dutch didnt intervene because they werent authorizied and/or they were very lightly armed. Hardly active. About the Rwanda genocide I know very little but your the only one to say that the french were involved. Please, could you link some info?

I am not the only one claiming France's involvement in the Rwandan genocide. You don't read about it because Europeans tend to revise history to fit their needs. It's interesting how Europeans continuously tend to deny France's role on this forum. It's becoming tiring. France and the Rwanda Genocide:

1) We have a French soldier admitting to seeing his colleagues train people for the genocide
2) president of Rwanda claiming France was involved
3) the UN-backed tribunal claims to have enough evidence to try France for genocide
4) survivors of the genocide saw fellow refugees tossed out of helicopters by French soldiers
5) the European Court of "Human Rights" slammed France for inaction against genocidists living in France
6) the French humanitarian group Doctors without Borders claimed that French soldiers "protected the killers and gave them weapons"
7) a civilian investigatory panel made of lawyers, historians, and leaders of human rights groups claim that French forces helped the genocidists more than the victims
8) human rights group Survie claims that France had an active role in the genocide
9) newspaper Le Figaro publishes series of articles documenting French role in the genocide
10) Diplomatically the French failed to criticize rumors of the genocide when Western ambassadors made a joint protest to the Rwandan government. Claimed that it was "only rumors."
11) Mitterand claims "In countries like that, a genocide is not very important."
12) French provided weapons in defiance of UN embargo on arms shipments
13) Human rights groups including Paris-based International Federation for Human Rights criticize French authorities in regards to Rwanda Genocide

Dutch and their role in Srebrenica (Srebenica Widows Sue UN, Dutch Government

Some of the Dutch United Nations soldiers who failed to prevent the massacre of Srebenica in July 1995 gave the Serbs a back-slapping welcome, handed over their uniforms and even actively helped to separate Bosnian men from their familie

A group of Serbian soldiers ran across some Dutch troops ? and the soldiers greeted one another happily. They threw their caps in the air and some even hugged one another.

The woman from Srebrenica describes how Dutch soldiers allowed Serb militia leader Ratko Mladic's men to disarm them, without resisting. Some of the Dutch troops even took off their uniforms ? and Serbs then slipped them on.

The next day, the Dutch troops lined up with the Serbian Chetniks as if nothing had happened. The UN soldiers had helped to separate the Muslim men from their families. Zumra Sehomerovic saw her husband once more, standing in a ditch on the left side of the road. He was never seen again.

Yup, no active involvement! Deny, deny, deny! When will the next one be?
 

Mardeth

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Especially the case against the dutch seems kind of weak... Whats the motive? What did they get out of it?
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Mardeth
Especially the case against the dutch seems kind of weak... Whats the motive? What did they get out of it?

Yeah, sure looks weak... even with photographic proof of the Dutch commander drinking a toast with Mladic.

photo
 

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Originally posted by: TheVrolok
I'm an American, and I agree 100%.

Why did we elect him a second time? Because the issues of gay marriage (denying it) and abortion (denying it) and stem cell research (denying it) are far more important than foreign policy, education, or any other equally important issue. Sigh.

Maybe because the economy was the best it had been in many years? His approval rating being the second highest ever at the time? Things like that probably, it seems all you people can see into the future.

BTW Gay marriage is now legal in some places, as is abortion and stem cell research is further along than it has ever been....

I hate europeans smug ass attitudes, if europe is so damn great stay the fuck out of america.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
I'm an American, and I agree 100%.

Why did we elect him a second time? Because the issues of gay marriage (denying it) and abortion (denying it) and stem cell research (denying it) are far more important than foreign policy, education, or any other equally important issue. Sigh.

Maybe because the economy was the best it had been in many years? His approval rating being the second highest ever at the time? Things like that probably, it seems all you people can see into the future.

BTW Gay marriage is now legal in some places, as is abortion and stem cell research is further along than it has ever been....

I hate europeans smug ass attitudes, if europe is so damn great stay the fuck out of america.

Bush's approval rating was in the shitter and has been going down consistantly since right after 9/11 (with the exception of a few spikes). As for the economy, I'm not sure where you get your statistics. Incomes were on the decline vs inflation (and have been for 95% of the people for 5 or 6 years now) then and the US had lost millions of manufacturing jobs (first so called recovery ever in which manufacturing jobs declined).


I call bushshit on your approval ratings reference above.

Real GDP was in the 2-3% range during that period. Decent growth but hardly a GREAT economy.



Of course, here is something Bush and the GOP have been good at....

Debt graph (historical).


 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: KeypoX
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
I'm an American, and I agree 100%.

Why did we elect him a second time? Because the issues of gay marriage (denying it) and abortion (denying it) and stem cell research (denying it) are far more important than foreign policy, education, or any other equally important issue. Sigh.

Maybe because the economy was the best it had been in many years? His approval rating being the second highest ever at the time? Things like that probably, it seems all you people can see into the future.

BTW Gay marriage is now legal in some places, as is abortion and stem cell research is further along than it has ever been....

I hate europeans smug ass attitudes, if europe is so damn great stay the fuck out of america.

What are you talking about? According to Gallup his approval rating on the day of his second election was 53%. This is hardly the second highest ever. Gay marriage is legal despite his opposition, as well as abortion, and stem cell research continued despite his opposition to an important form of it.

Just because things happened in spite of him doesn't mean that he was or should be given credit for it.

And don't you think it's a little smug yourself to say that you don't care what anyone else thinks?

EDIT: Damn, beaten to it.