European revolution - in our time or not?

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Don't turn this into a gun debate.

Americans are much more interested in controlling what people do. No prostitution, no drugs, limited gambling.

But business can do what they want.

we just haven't corrected yet. Up until very recently (last 10 years) business was a net good. The effect of extreme greed hadn't taken its tole on society yet. The bigger problem was corrupt leadership, politicians searching for power.
Now both are a problem :(
 
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I said "they can't be born black, they can't be born muslim"

Do you know why I said that?

Because they are white christians, therefore they can't have black children (it's absurdly rare), they can't have muslim children these are empirically provable facts. Not racist beliefs... They are facts.

I'd be fine with a black muslim king. Makes no difference to me. :)

If you say so, but it's very late for that now. White Christians can marry black people. Moreover, white Christians can have Muslim children.

You're a racist. Maybe in the UK or in your social circle you're pretty much the norm, but in other more accepting places, you're very much a racist. That's one thing that you should understand - racism where you live is likely to be far more accepted than racism in other parts of the world. So, perhaps, relative to your own local environment, you're not considered a racist, but you're very racist when compared to most other environments.

Not sure what else to say. We're just going to go around in circles.
 
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I don't buy the middle class is bigger in europe argument. Care to back that up with numbers?

The few times I've been in europe everything seemed prohibitively expensive, and people lived in tiny houses that were smaller than an average American garage.

they have an insane high tax rate.
It's just like how the prices of a lot of things are higher in California. The higher tax rate means you have to be paid more to afford things, which leads to higher prices on top of the higher tax rate.
 

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If you say so, but it's very late for that now. White Christians can marry black people. Moreover, white Christians can have Muslim children.

You're a racist. Maybe in the UK or in your social circle you're pretty much the norm, but in other more accepting places, you're very much a racist. That's one thing that you should understand - racism where you live is likely to be far more accepted than racism in other parts of the world. So, perhaps, relative to your own local environment, you're not considered a racist, but you're very racist when compared to most other environments.

Not sure what else to say. We're just going to go around in circles.

He's a bisexual atheist who just said he wouldn't mind having a black muslim king.

You're just an idiot.

WTF is the world coming to when Neckbeard is the lesser of two evils?
 

HAL9000

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If you say so, but it's very late for that now. White Christians can marry black people. Moreover, white Christians can have Muslim children.

Sure they can!... What's your point?

You're a racist.

How so?

Maybe in the UK or in your social circle you're pretty much the norm, but in other more accepting places, you're very much a racist.

Aren't you from India?!

That's one thing that you should understand - racism where you live is likely to be far more accepted than racism in other parts of the world.

Actually my country is really not very racist at all, we really hate them when we see them... Hate them

So, perhaps, relative to your own local environment, you're not considered a racist, but you're very racist when compared to most other environments.

Really? How so?

Not sure what else to say. We're just going to go around in circles.

I think that's because your calling me racist with no proof (if you've got it, quote it) It's like me insisting that you hate chocolate, with no proof of it. For days on end.
 
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Aren't you from India?!

No.

Actually my country is really not very racist at all, we really hate them when we see them... Hate them

Well, that's my point. You don't know if your country is racist because you live in it and so what's the norm where you live is likely to be racist to most objective standards.


ling me racist with no proof (if you've got it, quote it) It's like me insisting that you hate chocolate, with no proof of it. For days on end.

Yes, but typical to most racists, they think that their racist statements aren't racist. What you think is 'normal' is basically racist, which is why you support the oppression of black people and Muslims, but you see that oppression as 'normal.'

Next you will respond with "but I'm not racist because I say I am not" and that's about it.
 

HAL9000

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Well, that's my point. You don't know if your country is racist because you live in it and so what's the norm where you live is likely to be racist to most objective standards.

I'm basing that on what other people from other countries say about it, and from my experience of the immense racism in America by contrast.

Yes, but typical to most racists, they think that their racist statements aren't racist. What you think is 'normal' is basically racist, which is why you support the oppression of black people and Muslims, but you see that oppression as 'normal.'

What racist statements, can you quote one? I don't support the oppression of black people or muslims, I've never said I do. Never. Never.

Next you will respond with "but I'm not racist because I say I am not" and that's about it.

No I won't, it's apparent to everyone else, and you are yet to provide proof.
 

WelshBloke

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we just haven't corrected yet. Up until very recently (last 10 years) business was a net good. The effect of extreme greed hadn't taken its tole on society yet. The bigger problem was corrupt leadership, politicians searching for power.
Now both are a problem :(

Business is (or should be amoral), its about making money pure and simple.

Government is the one thats supposed to keep capitalism reigned in through sensible legislation.

At the moment business and government seem too mixed up together.