European human rights chiefs order the British press NOT to reveal when terrorists are Muslims

[master_shake_]

European human rights chiefs have told the British press it must not report when terrorists are Muslim.

The recommendations came as part of a list of 23 meddling demands to Theresa May’s government on how to run the media in an alarming threat to freedom speech.

The report, drawn up by the Council of Europe's human rights watchdog, blamed the recent increase in hate crimes and racism in the UK on the 'worrying examples of intolerance and hate speech in the newspapers, online and even among politicians', although the research was done before the EU referendum campaign had even begun.

The suggestions sent to Downing Street urging the UK Government to reform criminal law and freedom of the press and in a brutal criticism of the British press, the report recommends ministers 'give more rigorous training' to journalists.

But UK ministers firmly rebutted the remarkable demands, telling the body: 'The Government is committed to a free and open press and does not interfere with what the press does and does not publish, as long as the press abides by the law.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tish-press-NOT-reveal-terrorists-Muslims.html

 

[Victorian Gray]

And without the hysteria of the Daily Mail article, see page 45 of the actual document for the actual 23 recommendations.

The report itself is worth a read in order to get the context of the recommendations. The report also includes the govt. response.

http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/monitorin...try/United_Kingdom/GBR-CbC-V-2016-038-ENG.pdf

 

[Zaap]

So you're saying it doesn't say:

'ECRI considers that, in light of the fact that Muslims are increasingly under the spotlight as a result of recent ISIS-related terrorist acts around the world, fuelling prejudice against Muslims shows a reckless disregard, not only for the dignity of the great majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom, but also for their safety.

'In this context, it draws attention to a recent study by Teeside University suggesting that where the media stress the Muslim background of perpetrators of terrorist acts, and devote significant coverage to it, the violent backlash against Muslims is likely to be greater than in cases where the perpetrators' motivation is downplayed or rejected in favour of alternative explanations.'


Downplayed? Rejected ?

Alternative explanations, aka, PC bullshit?


The govt response was (as it should have beeen) basically: "Thanks, now fuck off."

 

[Victorian Gray]

So you're saying it doesn't say:

'ECRI considers that, in light of the fact that Muslims are increasingly under the spotlight as a result of recent ISIS-related terrorist acts around the world, fuelling prejudice against Muslims shows a reckless disregard, not only for the dignity of the great majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom, but also for their safety.

'In this context, it draws attention to a recent study by Teeside University suggesting that where the media stress the Muslim background of perpetrators of terrorist acts, and devote significant coverage to it, the violent backlash against Muslims is likely to be greater than in cases where the perpetrators' motivation is downplayed or rejected in favour of alternative explanations.'


Downplayed? Rejected ?

Alternative explanations, aka, PC bullshit?


The govt response was (as it should have beeen) basically: "Thanks, now fuck off."

I haven't said anything at all about the report. I simply posted a link to the actual report so that it could be assessed without the sensationalism and hyperbole of the Daily Mail.

You've obviously decided to travel with The Daily Mail perspective.

 

[glenn1]

And without the hysteria of the Daily Mail article, see page 45 of the actual document for the actual 23 recommendations.

The report itself is worth a read in order to get the context of the recommendations. The report also includes the govt. response.

http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/monitorin...try/United_Kingdom/GBR-CbC-V-2016-038-ENG.pdf

The source material isn't helping since some of the recommendations are worse than what the news article states. For example the government's response about being committed to freedom of press is entirely appropriate and indeed understated in response to some of the recommendations like the one below, I personally would have preferred a stronger response on the lines of "Go fvck yourself."

(§ 56) ECRI strongly recommends that the authorities find a way to establish an independent press regulator according to the recommendations set out in the Leveson Report. It recommends more rigorous training for journalists to ensure better compliance with ethical standards. It further recommends the authorities to sign and ratify the Additional Protocol to the Convention on Cybercrime.

 

[PokerGuy]

The source material isn't helping since some of the recommendations are worse than what the news article states. For example the government's response about being committed to freedom of press is entirely appropriate and indeed understated in response to some of the recommendations like the one below, I personally would have preferred a stronger response on the lines of "Go fvck yourself."

Exactly. This is a set of recommendations so they can't force the UK government to go along with it yet, but it sure as heck shows the insanity that has consumed the EU. The problem isn't the crazies blowing themselves and others up or committing terrorist acts. Nope, the problem is obviously the media reporting on said crazies. In response, they want the government to create a body to regulate and control what the media can report and how, so they can make sure the right message is sent. This PC insanity would be funny if it wasn't so deadly serious and destroying the very fabric of western societies.

 

[thraashman]

You knew the conservatives on P&N were gonna be against these the second you read the final 3 and remember how much the alt-right hates the LGBT.

21.ECRI recommends that the authorities follow the advice of the Law Commission and review the operation of aggravated offences with a view to including the grounds of sexual orientation and gender identity. It also recommends including gender identity as a ground in the “stirring up hatred” offences and refers to its recommendation in of this report.
22. ECRI recommends that legislation is enacted in Northern Ireland providing for protection from discrimination on grounds of gender identity
23. ECRI encourages further efforts to address bullying of LGBT pupils in schools, with special attention given to teacher training
.

 

[glenn1]

You knew the conservatives on P&N were gonna be against these the second you read the final 3 and remember how much the alt-right hates the LGBT.

21.ECRI recommends that the authorities follow the advice of the Law Commission and review the operation of aggravated offences with a view to including the grounds of sexual orientation and gender identity. It also recommends including gender identity as a ground in the “stirring up hatred” offences and refers to its recommendation in of this report.
22. ECRI recommends that legislation is enacted in Northern Ireland providing for protection from discrimination on grounds of gender identity
23. ECRI encourages further efforts to address bullying of LGBT pupils in schools, with special attention given to teacher training
.

All of those are reasonable. For #21 although I disagree with hate speech laws on free speech grounds the UK does have these laws so sex/gender concerns should be added to the list. Some of them like #22 may require clarification to define what "discrimination" is in the legal sense.

 

[1prophet]

You knew the conservatives on P&N were gonna be against these the second you read the final 3 and remember how much the alt-right hates the LGBT.

21.ECRI recommends that the authorities follow the advice of the Law Commission and review the operation of aggravated offences with a view to including the grounds of sexual orientation and gender identity. It also recommends including gender identity as a ground in the “stirring up hatred” offences and refers to its recommendation in of this report.
22. ECRI recommends that legislation is enacted in Northern Ireland providing for protection from discrimination on grounds of gender identity
23. ECRI encourages further efforts to address bullying of LGBT pupils in schools, with special attention given to teacher training
.

So if a Muslim assaults a LGBT because he/she offends their religious beliefs will the apologists throw the LGBT crowd under the bus in order to protect the "Religious Right of the Middle East"?

 

[master_shake_]

So if a Muslim assaults a LGBT because he/she offends their religious beliefs will the apologists throw the LGBT crowd under the bus in order to protect the "Religious Right of the Middle East"?

iirc if both are protected classes, white people are to blame.

 

[thraashman]

So if a Muslim assaults a LGBT because he/she offends their religious beliefs will the apologists throw the LGBT crowd under the bus in order to protect the "Religious Right of the Middle East"?

Religious beliefs are only protected insofar as they do not interfere with the rights of others. This same argument you make works against Christians who want to refuse service to LGBT individuals, it's just a more extreme example of the same behavior. You're allowed to believe whatever you want the legality steps in when your actions reflect those beliefs.

 

[brycejones]

iirc if both are protected classes, white people are to blame.

No actually just you....personally.

 

[Zaap]

Religious beliefs are only protected insofar as they do not interfere with the rights of others. This same argument you make works against Christians who want to refuse service to LGBT individuals, it's just a more extreme example of the same behavior. You're allowed to believe whatever you want the legality steps in when your actions reflect those beliefs.

Your example is goofy, in that no one is quibbling over what's legal and what isn't, unless there's anyone dumb enough to think there's a *legal* form of violent terrorism.

The subject is specifically a group urging a government to pressure media to downplay, leave out, outright lie about the motives behind terrorist incidents- you know, actually KILLING people, not just refusing someone service- in order to save face for a PC-protected class.

Let's all pretend for one second you and your ilk wouldn't absolutely lose your collective shit if there were some organization urging the media to leave out the true motives of any Christians who wanted to refuse service to gay people. (Make up stuff, leave out the religious motives, downplay it, come up with "alternative explanations!" )

"Service was refused because the proprietor didn't like the colors the person was wearing."

You'd be right up in here saying that was an awesome "recommendation" because, you, know, we need to protect those radical Christians from scrutiny.

Anyone who thinks such would be a load of horseshit, to stomp all over freedom of the press in order to protect some religious nuts from embarrassment- surely that's just getting caught up in hysteria.

Now go on, admit it. That's EXACTLY how you and the apologist brigade would react, isn't it?

 

[agent00f]

It's worth mentioning that following brexit I recall the UK reported something like 50% increase or doubling depending on how it's counted of racially motivated attacks against basically brown people. So it's not as if this is happening in a vacuum.

 

[Victorian Gray]

It's worth mentioning that following brexit I recall the UK reported something like 50% increase or doubling depending on how it's counted of racially motivated attacks against basically brown people. So it's not as if this is happening in a vacuum.

Actually, Poles and Eastern Europeans are feeling just about as much heat as the brown folks these days. But yes, especially since the Brexit vote, the increase in hate crimes in general has been very large. People are being harassed/attacked simply for conversing in a language that isn't English.

 

[Vic]

Actually, Poles and Eastern Europeans are feeling just about as much heat as the brown folks these days. But yes, especially since the Brexit vote, the increase in hate crimes in general has been very large. People are being harassed/attacked simply for conversing in a language that isn't English.

Brexit is a fascinating real life example of nationalism being used to exploit a democratic populace. Lie to people about how great the good old days were, convince them that the blame for this lies on "the Others" and use that fear to trick the populace into voting to downgrade their own wealth value by some 30%, and then blame the subsequent economic consequences on "the Others." The real irony here is that the biggest losers of Brexit are the same people who voted for it: retirees. The youth (those of 'acceptable' birth) will get government jobs in the new police state, now also newly wealthy from a significant markdown in its future liabilities. And America might follow suit. You can't make this shit up.

 

[Blue_Max]

So if a Muslim assaults a LGBT because he/she offends their religious beliefs will the apologists throw the LGBT crowd under the bus in order to protect the "Religious Right of the Middle East"?

So far the answer appears to be yes, yes they will. And do so often enough that it's a recognizable pattern.
In the 'oppression olympics' (AKA "the progressive stack") muslims reside at the tippy-top. Even those *ugh*ptoo* cisgendered men!
...as such, even multiple heinous rapes and pedophilia are ignored by them.

 

[agent00f]

So far the answer appears to be yes, yes they will. And do so often enough that it's a recognizable pattern.
In the 'oppression olympics' (AKA "the progressive stack") muslims reside at the tippy-top. Even those *ugh*ptoo* cisgendered men!
...as such, even multiple heinous rapes and pedophilia are ignored by them.

There are folks in the world smart enough to figure out a certain group of people are more than one thing or another. For example, I'm sure there are even white nationalists who can do this, though mostly only if that group isn't some ethnicity or identity they don't care for.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So far the answer appears to be yes, yes they will. And do so often enough that it's a recognizable pattern.
In the 'oppression olympics' (AKA "the progressive stack") muslims reside at the tippy-top. Even those *ugh*ptoo* cisgendered men!
...as such, even multiple heinous rapes and pedophilia are ignored by them.

Oh look, a one trick parrot.