Europe plans to put astronauts on Mars
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It would be smart if the NASA and ESA should decide to work together on manned missions to mars
IMO It's stupid to have 2 money-eating projects of this magnitude for the same goal
IMO It's stupid to have 2 money-eating projects of this magnitude for the same goal
agreed, I also thought ESA always wanted cost effective missions, putting people into space and even on the moon or mars is just ridiculously more expensive than robots that can do the same job
but I guess its more important to say "we can and we did"
Sorry, but robots CANNOT do the same job that humans can.....and Spirit is one example. Do you think a human would suffer from a software glitch and shut down for two weeks? Also, robots can do only what is programmed, nothing more. Humans, on the other hand, can adapt instantly to changing situations and make decisions on-the-spot about things/situations/unplanned-for discoveries that happen NOW....not what some team thought a robot may face and may need in programming, thereby dooming the robot to only do what it can with limited capabilities.
True, robotic vehicles have a place in space exploration but they will NEVER be as adaptable or flexible as a human facing the same situation.
Hayabusa Rider
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ESA said it would work with the US, China, Japan, whoever.
I am thinking this is the start of the planetary land grab. Historically, when a country starts exploration, the next step is colonization, and outright ownership. Although it isnt going to be easy to exploit, Mars and the Moon are there for the taking, and I think a growing concern of those outside the US will be that in effect if an alien space ship were to fly by the solar system they might see a big sign that says "America (an a couple of insignificant others)".
I think we will see a push over the next century to establish bases on Mars and the Moon, by several countries, and I hope we adopt a model like that used in Antartica. I don't know though.
I am thinking this is the start of the planetary land grab. Historically, when a country starts exploration, the next step is colonization, and outright ownership. Although it isnt going to be easy to exploit, Mars and the Moon are there for the taking, and I think a growing concern of those outside the US will be that in effect if an alien space ship were to fly by the solar system they might see a big sign that says "America (an a couple of insignificant others)".
I think we will see a push over the next century to establish bases on Mars and the Moon, by several countries, and I hope we adopt a model like that used in Antartica. I don't know though.
pretty much so, But, they need to be feed, breath and sleep, all of this consumes valuable payload, so you can send humans or the instrumentation to do science, not both.
Yeah a similar glitch with humans around may well have meant humans stranded, then dead on Mars.
They will of course realize very quickly that they are living dead and there will be nothing they can do about it. Because they do not have the knowledge or the tools required to fix any real problem
You do realize that the role the astronauts aboard Apollo 13 played was little more then trained monkeys. Land based teams troubleshot, designed and documented the modifications needed to safe their butts, the Astronauts only did as they were told. If they had lost their radio they would have been DEAD! Their vaunted human resourcefulness would only have served to keep them amused while they died.
I am getting tired of hearing this same speech, yet one has ever stated a single reason that a man is NEEDED in space. Every thing seems to revolve around the ability to save themselves with ingenuity. I don't buy it. There are few repairable systems on modern spacecraft, and there is no way that all of the equipment necessary for diagnose and repair can be taken along. In addition the men on board will be trained to run the equipment, not repair it. So there is no way that any significant repairs will be done by the men on a deep space mission. Any major decisions will be made by the ground controllers, just as if the men were robots. That is all they would be, robot, that needs to eat, sh@t and sleep. Unlike the rovers currently on the surface, These little guys will spend a week sitting at the same rock doing the will of the earth based scientist, and never once stop to hit a golf ball or play with a feather, or dance in the light gravity. The rovers are there to do science and only science. I do not think you fully understand the functionality of the modern robots, they do not use AI, they are simply extensions of the earth based scientists. This is better then scientist on Mars, just ask the scientist, while he is home with his family for the night.
There is so much good science that can be done by robotics and remote sensing, we need to get every bit of information we can that way. While we are sending the small (and relatively speaking cheap) robotic missions we are learning more and more about the conditions of space between here and Mars, we are learning how to get a probe on to the surface in one piece and in functional order. Then we must learn how to get things back in one functional piece. When we have mastered these required tasks then we can start sending tourists. As tourism is the only real reason to send a man anywhere else in the solar system.
The only reason these characteristics are needed is because a mans life is at risk. For any REAL science a robot can do more cheaper better then a human.
the urge to explore and human curiousity is something that is almost unique to mankind
going to Mars is not very different then Columbus discovering America
I'm all for it
it's a better waste of money then other huge projects
going to Mars is not very different then Columbus discovering America
I'm all for it
it's a better waste of money then other huge projects
Unfortunately men in space impede science, simply for the adventure is not a good reason to go to space. IF you want adventure go climb a mountain.
Then how would we split the planet up? Since we were the first ones on the moon it our property right.
medical science would disagree with you, we have learned alot about osteoporosis for ex. BECAUSE humans are in space
I'm really nervous about trying to send humans to Mars so soon. I'd rather have us send a bunch of worker robots who will build factories and a base first and make sure everything is okay before sending humans.
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I'm all for that, and definitely with international cooperation (help with R&D, and importantly, COST).
Creating a breathable, workable indoor environment, then consider sending humans to live in it, but only if there is water to be found under the surface, as it would be vital for survival (plants, animals, HUMANS, etc).
If all of that became a reality, then I could definately see people living there.
blah blah, mars this, mars that.
We want to go to mars, but can't even figure out our own planet.
We want to go to mars, but can't even figure out our own planet.
That is, afterall, part of the point of studying neighborhing planets; to further understand our own.
Were not going to gather any information on mars that is going to help our social and economic problems.Originally posted by: Descartes
That is, afterall, part of the point of studying neighborhing planets; to further understand our own.
There are plenty of better things we can spend money on.... like blowing up other countries!!!
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US and Europe should get together on this. The costs of a manned mission to mars are so high in the billions that it makes little sense to go about it separately, without joining information and technology wherever possible.
EDIT: re: freegeeks - I need to stop posting before reading a thread.
EDIT: re: freegeeks - I need to stop posting before reading a thread.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
US and Europe should get together on this. The costs of a manned mission to mars are so high in the billions that it makes little sense to go about it separately, without joining information and technology wherever possible.
EDIT: re: freegeeks - I need to stop posting before reading a thread.
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Coordinating the two efforts would also be very expensive, and would likely slow things way down. You might save some money in the long run, but funding will depend on political backing. Its not likely that any politician will want to support a program where they don't have the oppurtunity to take credit down the road.
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