Europe is going cashless=- SEPA & EAPS

[HeXploiT]

Beginning Jan 1 2008 31 nations will begin going cashless. The EU anticipates that by 2010 all cash monies will be obsolete.

http://www.europeanpaymentscou..._detail.cfm?news_id=37
http://www.europeanpaymentscou...ymentsarea200707en.pdf

The EU is going about this much more ambitiously then I had ever anticipated. I'd have said it couldn't have been done in that time.

Where does this leave the USA?

 

[dualsmp]

I don't think the USA will go cashless as soon as other parts of the world. The Amero will be pushed through if a complete North American Union is established by the global mafia.

The ultimate goal though is to go cashless throughout the world which will have severe consequences on human freedom.. Didn't pay your taxes? Click!..they'll turn your card off.. Forget to pay that parking ticket?..Click! Are you a political activist against certain aspects of the government? Click! "Sorry we need to bring you in for a few questions."

 

[shortylickens]

While I think dualsmp is being a little paranoid I basically agree with him.
Just one more way that Big Brother can control you.
This is the kind of stuff that 1984 and Brazil are made of.

 

[Jaskalas]

How long before they refuse any other method of payment? Seems every single item you buy can be collected into a database, this merely makes it mandatory instead of optional.

I like the idea behind removing cash, I don?t like the government behind this. We are not yet mature enough for modern technology.

 

[walkur]

I'm not sure what gives you the idea that we (the EU) will be going cashless...
The articles you highlighted explain a new system that sets up a new bankaccount standard that can be used accross the whole of europe.

Current maestro debit cards can allready be used in many EU countries (allthough with extra costs etc.).

Cash won't will still be here in 30 years I imagine

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

I don't like this idea...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dualsmp
I don't think the USA will go cashless as soon as other parts of the world.

That's because so many people are falling out of the banking system.

Only the rich will be in the system in the U.S.

 

[K1052]

I don't foresee the US going cashless (nor should it IMO) anytime within the next few decades. There would be too much public resistance.

 

[palehorse]

horrible idea.

 

[GeezerMan]

Originally posted by: dualsmp
I don't think the USA will go cashless as soon as other parts of the world. The Amero will be pushed through if a complete North American Union is established by the global mafia.

The ultimate goal though is to go cashless throughout the world which will have severe consequences on human freedom.. Didn't pay your taxes? Click!..they'll turn your card off.. Forget to pay that parking ticket?..Click! Are you a political activist against certain aspects of the government? Click! "Sorry we need to bring you in for a few questions."

Amen comrade. You are in the know. Just a few months ago people were laughing at me when I mentioned the Amero. There is a interview on youtube that was taped off of a CNBC investment show. The manager of a fund mentioned the Amero coming onboard real soon. The anchorman was like, "say what?" Amazing to see on a mainstream show the Amero mentioned. Bush can't close the borders when the plan calls for a merger of all 3 countries. Our dollar is falling faster and faster, and perhaps that will be used to bring in the Amero.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: dualsmp
I don't think the USA will go cashless as soon as other parts of the world. The Amero will be pushed through if a complete North American Union is established by the global mafia.

The ultimate goal though is to go cashless throughout the world which will have severe consequences on human freedom.. Didn't pay your taxes? Click!..they'll turn your card off.. Forget to pay that parking ticket?..Click! Are you a political activist against certain aspects of the government? Click! "Sorry we need to bring you in for a few questions."

Amen comrade. You are in the know. Just a few months ago people were laughing at me when I mentioned the Amero. There is a interview on youtube that was taped off of a CNBC investment show. The manager of a fund mentioned the Amero coming onboard real soon. The anchorman was like, "say what?" Amazing to see on a mainstream show the Amero mentioned. Bush can't close the borders when the plan calls for a merger of all 3 countries. Our dollar is falling faster and faster, and perhaps that will be used to bring in the Amero.

You are going to need to amend the constitution to create this North American Union. That means 3/4ths of the state houses and 2/3rds of the feds. Dont you think politicians would be making the case by now we need to amend our constitution for the North American Union?

btw which fund did this guy run? I want to make sure my funds are not run by a complete idiot.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: dualsmp
I don't think the USA will go cashless as soon as other parts of the world.

That's because so many people are falling out of the banking system.

Only the rich will be in the system in the U.S.

It's ok, your pharmacy will still take cash.

Our dollar is falling faster and faster, and perhaps that will be used to bring in the Amero.

You will have a VERY HARD time selling that to Canadians. Mexicans, who cares, their country is mostly crap anyway and I'm sure they'll do whatever they can to distance themselves from it and its currency.

btw which fund did this guy run? I want to make sure my funds are not run by a complete idiot.

<- truth

 

[GeezerMan]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: dualsmp
I don't think the USA will go cashless as soon as other parts of the world. The Amero will be pushed through if a complete North American Union is established by the global mafia.

The ultimate goal though is to go cashless throughout the world which will have severe consequences on human freedom.. Didn't pay your taxes? Click!..they'll turn your card off.. Forget to pay that parking ticket?..Click! Are you a political activist against certain aspects of the government? Click! "Sorry we need to bring you in for a few questions."

Amen comrade. You are in the know. Just a few months ago people were laughing at me when I mentioned the Amero. There is a interview on youtube that was taped off of a CNBC investment show. The manager of a fund mentioned the Amero coming onboard real soon. The anchorman was like, "say what?" Amazing to see on a mainstream show the Amero mentioned. Bush can't close the borders when the plan calls for a merger of all 3 countries. Our dollar is falling faster and faster, and perhaps that will be used to bring in the Amero.

You are going to need to amend the constitution to create this North American Union. That means 3/4ths of the state houses and 2/3rds of the feds. Dont you think politicians would be making the case by now we need to amend our constitution for the North American Union?

btw which fund did this guy run? I want to make sure my funds are not run by a complete idiot.

Well, the constitution did not stop them with the Patriot Act. The constitution does not stop the endless Executive Orders that become law either. Look for some events, economic, terrorism etc, to have the people asking for the North American Union. Supply the chaos, and then supply the solution.

Youtube link

 

[manowar821]

Pathetic.

It would be very easy to force this on people, too. "Oh, the ATM is out of cash, and so is the one down the street... I guess I can just use my FANCY NEW card this week..."

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: dualsmp
I don't think the USA will go cashless as soon as other parts of the world. The Amero will be pushed through if a complete North American Union is established by the global mafia.

The ultimate goal though is to go cashless throughout the world which will have severe consequences on human freedom.. Didn't pay your taxes? Click!..they'll turn your card off.. Forget to pay that parking ticket?..Click! Are you a political activist against certain aspects of the government? Click! "Sorry we need to bring you in for a few questions."

Amen comrade. You are in the know. Just a few months ago people were laughing at me when I mentioned the Amero. There is a interview on youtube that was taped off of a CNBC investment show. The manager of a fund mentioned the Amero coming onboard real soon. The anchorman was like, "say what?" Amazing to see on a mainstream show the Amero mentioned. Bush can't close the borders when the plan calls for a merger of all 3 countries. Our dollar is falling faster and faster, and perhaps that will be used to bring in the Amero.

You are going to need to amend the constitution to create this North American Union. That means 3/4ths of the state houses and 2/3rds of the feds. Dont you think politicians would be making the case by now we need to amend our constitution for the North American Union?

btw which fund did this guy run? I want to make sure my funds are not run by a complete idiot.

Well, the constitution did not stop them with the Patriot Act. The constitution does not stop the endless Executive Orders that become law either. Look for some events, economic, terrorism etc, to have the people asking for the North American Union. Supply the chaos, and then supply the solution.

Youtube link

You are kidding me right? Your proof is the patriot act, which is a law, executive orders ect ect? That is a far cry from creating a North American Union and replacing the US dollar with the Amero.

I dont know who started this Amero crap but I suspsect it is some far right wing fringe group trying to scare up the ignorants. Either way there isnt anything to base the idea on in reality. Politicians have to start talking about before we amend the constiution. They havent done it, thus until they do, there is no North American Union.

Watched the video and that guy is living proof the educated idiot is alive and thriving.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: dualsmp
I don't think the USA will go cashless as soon as other parts of the world. The Amero will be pushed through if a complete North American Union is established by the global mafia.

The ultimate goal though is to go cashless throughout the world which will have severe consequences on human freedom.. Didn't pay your taxes? Click!..they'll turn your card off.. Forget to pay that parking ticket?..Click! Are you a political activist against certain aspects of the government? Click! "Sorry we need to bring you in for a few questions."

Amen comrade. You are in the know. Just a few months ago people were laughing at me when I mentioned the Amero. There is a interview on youtube that was taped off of a CNBC investment show. The manager of a fund mentioned the Amero coming onboard real soon. The anchorman was like, "say what?" Amazing to see on a mainstream show the Amero mentioned. Bush can't close the borders when the plan calls for a merger of all 3 countries. Our dollar is falling faster and faster, and perhaps that will be used to bring in the Amero.

You are going to need to amend the constitution to create this North American Union. That means 3/4ths of the state houses and 2/3rds of the feds. Dont you think politicians would be making the case by now we need to amend our constitution for the North American Union?

btw which fund did this guy run? I want to make sure my funds are not run by a complete idiot.

Well, the constitution did not stop them with the Patriot Act. The constitution does not stop the endless Executive Orders that become law either. Look for some events, economic, terrorism etc, to have the people asking for the North American Union. Supply the chaos, and then supply the solution.

Youtube link

A monetary union between the US, Canada and Mexico would create more problems than it is worth. It wouldn't be too bad to have a common currency between us and Canada but adding Mexico in there is asking for disaster. The peso isn't the most stable of currencies and also their GDP per capita is nowhere near ours. You also have to look at the fact that creating a new currency initially makes people very weary. Looking at the Euro, soon after its introduction it depreciated quite a bit.

The US dollar is the world's major reserve currency. We have absolutely no reason to move away from it at the moment. There has been no serious talk about a North American Union and no major talk about the 'Amero.' I don't see where all this conspiracy crap is based.

 

[Rainsford]

Guys, "cache" and "anonymous money" are not the same thing. Cash is inconvenient and it's expensive to maintain a system to print/mint it. There are a lot of good ways to design an anonymous virtual cash system, and I'd be willing to bet that sooner or later one will spring up as a real replacement for cash.

 

[f95toli]

Originally posted by: walkur

Current maestro debit cards can allready be used in many EU countries (allthough with extra costs etc.).

And you can use VISA, Amex etc all over the world. ..
The only "news" here is a new system that will be used for the BANKS which will hopefully mean that they e.g. will charge less for international transfers within the EU and that the transfers will be somewhat faster (at the moment it takes me 3-5 days to transfer money).
The only form of payment that is going extinct is the cheque, at least as a form of payment accepted by shops etc. People use plastic more and more but cash will be around for a long time.

 

[StageLeft]

I just watched the youtube link. That guy is a fugging buffoon. I've never heard of the Amero and he's saying it's being "developed right now". I also would pull my money out of anything he is influencing. He should be arrested and put in prison for stupidity, perhaps even shipped to Greenland to live his days out with polar bears.

 

[shrumpage]

The one union of North America is - just tin foil hat stuff.

if you actaully READ what they want just go to CFR.org

from there final draft of building a North American Community:

? North America is different from other regions of the world and
must find itsowncooperative route forward.AnewNorthAmerican
community should rely more on the market and less on bureaucracy,
more on pragmatic solutions to shared problems than on grand
schemes of confederation or union, such as those in Europe. We
must maintain respect for each other?s national sovereignty.

Hardly trying to make one government out of NA. And if you dig a little deeper the whole concept is not removing natinoal indenity, or becoming one country, but working together to for better security and economic growth.

One wild idea they propose is development a method of letting Canadians, Americans and Mexicans travel between each other easier but still being documented.

sorry to derail the OP more.

 

[ericlp]

what's with the 666 BullShit?

I think it's a great idea and about god damn time! I don't even carry cash with me, besides I've racked up enough points for another trip to the main land. I've already flown 5-8 times for free just by using my credit card. Plus I don't have to figure out where my money went it's all printed out and I can tell that I spent too much at starbucks or eat out too much or whatever....

The USA needs to go cashless, it would solve a lot of counterfeit problems and cut the cost of printing money and save a lot of trees. I swear the religious reich has taken over this country...

 

[Auryg]

Originally posted by: ericlp
what's with the 666 BullShit?

I think it's a great idea and about god damn time! I don't even carry cash with me, besides I've racked up enough points for another trip to the main land. I've already flown 5-8 times for free just by using my credit card. Plus I don't have to figure out where my money went it's all printed out and I can tell that I spent too much at starbucks or eat out too much or whatever....

The USA needs to go cashless, it would solve a lot of counterfeit problems and cut the cost of printing money and save a lot of trees. I swear the religious reich has taken over this country...

So you want the government to track every penny you earn and spend?

You already said you don't carry cash with you - why make it forced? I used my CC everywhere too, but heaven forbid if I ever have to buy something without the government knowing I want the option to do it.

Counterfeiting isn't some rampant thing, printing money doesn't cost *that* much, and bills are made out of cloth, not paper.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: ericlp
what's with the 666 BullShit?

I think it's a great idea and about god damn time! I don't even carry cash with me, besides I've racked up enough points for another trip to the main land. I've already flown 5-8 times for free just by using my credit card. Plus I don't have to figure out where my money went it's all printed out and I can tell that I spent too much at starbucks or eat out too much or whatever....

The USA needs to go cashless, it would solve a lot of counterfeit problems and cut the cost of printing money and save a lot of trees. I swear the religious reich has taken over this country...

So you want the government to track every penny you earn and spend?

You already said you don't carry cash with you - why make it forced? I used my CC everywhere too, but heaven forbid if I ever have to buy something without the government knowing I want the option to do it.

Counterfeiting isn't some rampant thing, printing money doesn't cost *that* much, and bills are made out of cloth, not paper.

going cashless has nothing to do with the government collectig information about how you spend your money, its only the creditcard companies that you are with that have that information


stop being so paranoid