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Europe bends over and takes it right up the rear

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Dari

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Look at this, folks. This is their response to our spying on them. This! Granted, Europe is weak but I never realized how weak. This is how weak. In order to not make much of a fuss on us spying over them they've decided to "study" the issue with the United States and provide a final report in October. I know England is like Shrodinger's cat where it's in and out of the EU at the same time but, based on my time in government, I am quite sure they were getting crumbs from this spying effort since governments treat the sharing of information based on what the other side can provide. Europe is a joke. No wonder the Chinese left.

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Joint EU-US group to assess US spy ops

A joint EU-US expert group will investigate the alleged US spying on EU officials

and report its findings in October, the European Commission says.

EU Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding said the group would meet this month

to begin assessing the "proportionality" of the US surveillance programmes.

She called the surveillance "a wake-up call for us to advance on our data

protection reform".

There could be no EU-US trade deal without mutual trust, she warned.

The operations were revealed by US whistleblower Edward Snowden, now a

fugitive from US justice, who was last reported to be in the transit zone at

Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport.

Ms Reding said the working group would focus on the US Prism operation under

which, according to Mr Snowden, the US National Security Agency (NSA)

systematically collects vast amounts of phone and internet data, including

communications at EU offices.

She said she had also asked UK Foreign Secretary William Hague to clarify the

scope and proportionality of the UK Tempora programme - a vast surveillance

operation allegedly run by the UK spy agency GCHQ and co-ordinated with the

NSA.

Spying condemned

"The fact that the programmes are said to relate to national security does not

mean that anything goes," Ms Reding said. "A balance needs to be struck

between the policy objective pursued and the impact on fundamental rights, in

particular the right to privacy... privacy is a fundamental right, it is not

negotiable."

She was speaking in a European Parliament debate on the NSA spying

allegations, in which several MEPs voiced alarm about Mr Snowden's revelations

and demanded a full explanation from the US authorities.

The parliament, Commission and EU governments are currently negotiating a

major revision of the EU's data protection legislation.

Manfred Weber, a German MEP in the centre-right European People's Party

(EPP), said "you don't spy on friends" and the US actions were "not acceptable".

"Our trust has been shaken, but we still have shared interests. We in the EPP

believe a free trade agreement [with the US] should be concluded." He added:

"The battle will be played out in the field of data protection."

Sophia in 't Veld, a Dutch MEP in the liberal ALDE group, said: "We have to

guarantee to citizens that they're covered by European, not US, law.

"The bugging of offices, blanket surveillance of millions of citizens - that's not

national security, I don't buy that anymore," she said, calling for US President

Barack Obama to give an explanation directly to the European Parliament,

representing the EU's 500 million citizens.

She said it would be "misguided" to suspend the long-awaited EU-US trade

talks, set to begin this month, "but it's absolutely clear we cannot sign an

agreement with a partner we cannot fully trust".

A British Conservative MEP, Timothy Kirkhope, accused some other MEPs of

"posturing" over the spy allegations and urged the parliament to gather all the

relevant facts before condemning US behaviour.
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berzerker60

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That's a dumb way to phrase it. All of Europe is spying on us, too. If that gets exposed, do you seriously think we'd do anything more serious? Hell, there are news articles every other week about how China has an army of hackers stealing information every day, and we never do more than send curt messages asking them to stop. Spying is an everyday thing every country does, any outrage is for show.
 

monovillage

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That's a dumb way to phrase it. All of Europe is spying on us, too. If that gets exposed, do you seriously think we'd do anything more serious? Hell, there are news articles every other week about how China has an army of hackers stealing information every day, and we never do more than send curt messages asking them to stop. Spying is an everyday thing every country does, any outrage is for show.
Yes, only a fool would actually believe the word of any US government, especially one as corrupt as the Obama administration.
 

fskimospy

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What I'm actually sure came out of all of this is Europe telling their spies to redouble their efforts.
 

Gintaras

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What I'm actually sure came out of all of this is Europe telling their spies to redouble their efforts.
Spies are those, who are on the other side of the fence.
In your own backyard it's called - intelligence...

Same in any country.
 

Gintaras

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Well said. Unfortunately there idiots here who actually trust it.
Any government is elected and trusted by majority of people.
Majority of people don't consider themselves idiots, majority of people do consider themselves as perfectly normal people.....

However, Normal People are those that worry me....
 

Orignal Earl

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Look at this, folks. This is their response to our spying on them. This! Granted, Europe is weak but I never realized how weak. This is how weak. In order to not make much of a fuss on us spying over them they've decided to "study" the issue with the United States and provide a final report in October. I know England is like Shrodinger's cat where it's in and out of the EU at the same time but, based on my time in government, I am quite sure they were getting crumbs from this spying effort since governments treat the sharing of information based on what the other side can provide. Europe is a joke. No wonder the Chinese left.

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What was your reaction to your gov spying on you?
Ah, you posted a thread about Europe on a tech message board
Good job
 
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