Eureka! (not politics, covid or war)

[cytg111]

So, this dude, David Sinclar aka Dr. Frankenstein Light.

This dude is fast forwarding mice. And by fast forwarding I mean aging.
Wupti doo right?
But then this guy be rewinding them again back to young.

Unholy science bitches... Its all about sirtuins methylation etc etc, watch the podcast.
As it turns out, we got copies of young genes throughout our bodies, aging is just a consequence of exposing parts of these genes.

Would you take such a shot?
The consequences on societies is faaaaar reaching.

 

[Uhtrinity]

David A. Sinclair - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Show real peer reviewed results using real science, then sure. Until then it's just another infomercial trying to sell some miracle cure.

 

[cytg111]

David A. Sinclair - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Show real peer reviewed results using real science, then sure. Until then it's just another infomercial trying to sell some miracle cure.

Sure… but you know, if that was the case you wouldnt read about it first on ATPN … it would be headlining everywhere.
So here we are just playing with the thought, what if?

 

[dawp]

did he go running naked down the street?

 

[Uhtrinity]

Sure… but you know, if that was the case you wouldnt read about it first on ATPN … it would be headlining everywhere.
So here we are just playing with the thought, what if?

Yes, I've thought science will eventually get there. Remember reading about resetting telomeres over 20 years ago. But again until something is peer reviewed and tested it's just fiction or snake oil

 

[trenchfoot]

From a purely personal point of view, there's so many advantages in having the wisdom acquired from living to a ripe old age while possessing a youthful body. Just imagine how much more skill can be acquired, how much more productivity can be had when youth and the wisdom of the ages can be rolled into one person.

This off the top of my head, subject to in-depth thinking that may change the way I'm looking at this.

 

[Jaskalas]

In essence, once we have reached maturity, the age of our bodies is merely the accumulation of damage.

Learning how to avoid or undo that damage is a holy grail of medical science and one I would greatly enjoy seeing the fruits of. In a perfect world, I'd really like to see the next Pangea. Or another planet. But to get there is the challenge, first being our naturally short life spans. Second being just about any other way to meet an end, especially other people. But if age could not deny us immortality, perhaps we'd reconsider how badly we treat one another. Maybe....

I scoff at the notion that immortality would be a curse. I would relish agelessness.

 

[zinfamous]

From a purely personal point of view, there's so many advantages in having the wisdom acquired from living to a ripe old age while possessing a youthful body. Just imagine how much more skill can be acquired, how much more productivity can be had when youth and the wisdom of the ages can be rolled into one person.

This off the top of my head, subject to in-depth thinking that may change the way I'm looking at this.

what happens when all of the 60 year-olds now want to keep working until they are 120, and no more jobs exist for the next several generations?

All these dopey utopians that think long, eternal life is good, never seem to consider what this means for actual generations of real humans. I mean, imagine if boomers suddenly became immortal: new laws that restrict eternal life only to their class. Fuck all you but hey, we're going it to save the planet of course--you should thank us!

That's what would happen.

 

[dank69]

In essence, once we have reached maturity, the age of our bodies is merely the accumulation of damage.

Learning how to avoid or undo that damage is a holy grail of medical science and one I would greatly enjoy seeing the fruits of. In a perfect world, I'd really like to see the next Pangea. Or another planet. But to get there is the challenge, first being our naturally short life spans. Second being just about any other way to meet an end, especially other people. But if age could not deny us immortality, perhaps we'd reconsider how badly we treat one another. Maybe....

I scoff at the notion that immortality would be a curse. I would relish agelessness.

I'm 90% agreed with you. The benefits would be immeasurable. My 10% reservation stems from the possibility that we're part of a sim. If we entertain that possibility then it follows that what we accomplish here means nothing. It's possible that we're only here to experience the deeper emotions of love and loss that cannot be had once unplugged.

 

[uclaLabrat]

what happens when all of the 60 year-olds now want to keep working until they are 120, and no more jobs exist for the next several generations?

All these dopey utopians that think long, eternal life is good, never seem to consider what this means for actual generations of real humans. I mean, imagine if boomers suddenly became immortal: new laws that restrict eternal life only to their class. Fuck all you but hey, we're going it to save the planet of course--you should thank us!

That's what would happen.

There's not a finite amount of jobs on the planet, the explosion of advancements in human civilation have been brought about precisely because we freed up labor from necessary but less beneficial pursuits; farming instead of gathering, tinkering instead of farming, etc.

Having people live longer yet still remain productive would be a boon to civilization.

 

[Pohemi]

We need to institute the premise for Logan's Run. Send em to "the island".

People already live too long. Making them more physically capable into older age might be all well and good, but making people live hundreds of years isn't going to turn out well.

Think of the paywalls for medical breakthroughs, tech and capability like that, if nothing else... Do you really believe anyone but the top .001% of society would have access to it? Pbfft.

 

[MichaelMay]

So, this dude, David Sinclar aka Dr. Frankenstein Light.

This dude is fast forwarding mice. And by fast forwarding I mean aging.
Wupti doo right?
But then this guy be rewinding them again back to young.

Unholy science bitches... Its all about sirtuins methylation etc etc, watch the podcast.
As it turns out, we got copies of young genes throughout our bodies, aging is just a consequence of exposing parts of these genes.

Would you take such a shot?
The consequences on societies is faaaaar reaching.

Old news, we know that faster oxidation of cells can prolong life if the energy consumption is low.

We've known that for 100 years.

 

[Greenman]

I'd take it. Women and blow all over again. What's not to love?

 

[cytg111]

what happens when all of the 60 year-olds now want to keep working until they are 120, and no more jobs exist for the next several generations?

All these dopey utopians that think long, eternal life is good, never seem to consider what this means for actual generations of real humans. I mean, imagine if boomers suddenly became immortal: new laws that restrict eternal life only to their class. Fuck all you but hey, we're going it to save the planet of course--you should thank us!

That's what would happen.

Yea, thats the far reaching consequences I was talking about… The accumulation of wealth and distribution, the haves and have nots.. I mean its a dystopian future that I just have to see and experience for myself

 

[cytg111]

Old news, we know that faster oxidation of cells can prolong life if the energy consumption is low.

We've known that for 100 years.

That is not this

 

[trenchfoot]

what happens when all of the 60 year-olds now want to keep working until they are 120, and no more jobs exist for the next several generations?

All these dopey utopians that think long, eternal life is good, never seem to consider what this means for actual generations of real humans. I mean, imagine if boomers suddenly became immortal: new laws that restrict eternal life only to their class. Fuck all you but hey, we're going it to save the planet of course--you should thank us!

That's what would happen.

Hey, I'd be more than happy and wiling to get bought off with a substantial severance check, parachute my way into an "early retirement" and live off of a nice fat pension paid by the actual young folks that would then be looking forward to remaining at an ideal age of their own choosing. Win/win

 

[Moonbeam]

The secret to immortality is simple. Don't do anything that makes life worth living.

 

[sdifox]

In essence, once we have reached maturity, the age of our bodies is merely the accumulation of damage.

Learning how to avoid or undo that damage is a holy grail of medical science and one I would greatly enjoy seeing the fruits of. In a perfect world, I'd really like to see the next Pangea. Or another planet. But to get there is the challenge, first being our naturally short life spans. Second being just about any other way to meet an end, especially other people. But if age could not deny us immortality, perhaps we'd reconsider how badly we treat one another. Maybe....

I scoff at the notion that immortality would be a curse. I would relish agelessness.

LoL no, it gets old fast. I mean just look at ATOT, how much new things do you see?

 

[hal2kilo]

Well, I will tell you, those golden years aren't so golden. Arthritic stenosis, a word I'm sick of hearing. Basically, means ain't F we can do anything about. Just some take more insaids or replace this knee or that hip. I can't imagine what shape all those letter sweater people are in. So, just for that reason alone, I would love to try it. Hell, I'm thinking of OTC growth hormones. Of course for the sake of a buck, the FDA will to nothing to say whether the stuff works or not. They basically have no opinion. Just continue throwing your money away.

 

[nickqt]

Infinite youth or children.

Pick one.

 

[cytg111]

Infinite youth or children.

Pick one.

Both.
Some parts of the world dont want to breed anymore, gonna need robots to take care of elderly etc etc… other part of the world breeds like crazy….

 

[Bitek]

what happens when all of the 60 year-olds now want to keep working until they are 120, and no more jobs exist for the next several generations?

All these dopey utopians that think long, eternal life is good, never seem to consider what this means for actual generations of real humans. I mean, imagine if boomers suddenly became immortal: new laws that restrict eternal life only to their class. Fuck all you but hey, we're going it to save the planet of course--you should thank us!

That's what would happen.

Yeah, but we'll always have antivaxxers, so they can help with that problem.

Personally, F yeah. Getting older sucks.
Even is it wasn't infinite lifetime, just staying youthful and in good shape throughout would be good.

 

[Mai72]

I'm very familiar with David Sinclair. He a;lso has a very popular podcast.

I like the work that he's doing, and it could lead somewhere. But, do you really want to live to be 500? Not me. My goal is just to have a great life while I'm on this planet, and that is to be as healthy as I can while I get older. I see way too many people who deteriote (healthwise) after 60. Why? We have a few culprits: Horrible diet, inadequate sleep, and lack of exercise. You can get away with this when you're young, but it will eventually catch up with you as you get older. There is just no way to get around this. Heart attacks, cancer and now type2 diabetes are the top causes of death among peiople in their 60s and above. I like David's approach. He is advocating for moderate protein, fasting, calorie restriction, and supplements like resveratrol. He is even on metformin which is a bit controversial. So, yea getting old sucks but IMO our dietary habits are why so many of us age so quickly and horribly. Look at Jack Lalane as example. A lifetime of eating healthy and exercise. The guy was exercising 2 hours a day in his 90s.

 

[nickqt]

Both.
Some parts of the world dont want to breed anymore, gonna need robots to take care of elderly etc etc… other part of the world breeds like crazy….

So you want to continue with the "infinite growth on a finite planet thing"?

I just assume we end the fake bullshit economy and try the sustainable one, if we want to not have a complete collapse - because that's real and it's coming.

 

[Aikouka]

It has been quite a while since I took biology, but aren't part of our aging problems spurred by errors introduced randomly during cell division? Is this suggesting that we would essentially use these magical-sounding cells to replace our existing, aging, error-riddled ones? Would it also be capable of rebuilding portions that have been lost due to wear such as cartilage loss leading to arthritis?