EU Passes Contentious Data-Retention Law

[IGBT]

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..more oh no's for the liberal parinoid "would allow law enforcement to find it's senders"..and I would suspect that's data tracking comming and going..so ya better stop emailing to your cohorts in the EU.

The European Union has passed a contentious data-retention directive that requires all telephone and Internet traffic to be logged and stored for between six months and two years in order to help combat organized crime and terrorism.

The EU Parliament adopted the directive?originally put forward by England in June after the London terrorist bombings?last week, in a 378 to 197 vote.

The actual content of communications does not need to be tracked, but data that would allow law enforcement officials to find its senders does.

Data to be retained include both incoming and outgoing phone numbers, how long calls last, and the location of calls, for both successful calls and those that get dropped. Also covered are IP addresses for SMS and Internet activity, as well as login and logoff times.

Tracking dropped calls has been particularly controversial, since service providers don't currently register lost calls for billing purposes. In fact, the technology to track lost calls requires new, expensive technologies.

 

[Genx87]

Heh this makes Bush's monitoring of suspected terrorists calls to international destinations look like childs play.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh this makes Bush's monitoring of suspected terrorists calls to international destinations look like childs play.

..and the American Media propagandists (CNN) haven't mentioned it at all.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh this makes Bush's monitoring of suspected terrorists calls to international destinations look like childs play.

..and the American Media propagandists (CNN) haven't mentioned it at all.

wow this sucks for the EU, I wish them luck fighting this one, if there is going to be a fight.

CNN is too busy talking about the stupid ID debate.

 

[piasabird]

This is too miniscule to really care about.

How do these scientists say life started according to Evolution?

Answer:

They dont know!!!!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh this makes Bush's monitoring of suspected terrorists calls to international destinations look like childs play.

..and the American Media propagandists (CNN) haven't mentioned it at all.

Why would they? The EU is a model society for these socialists. Liberties only matter when a conservative is trying to erase them.

 

[Todd33]

Wow, you guys never fail to attack Europe in an attempt to not discuss and solve the problem or your own country. Real patriots you are.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Wow, you guys never fail to attack Europe in an attempt to not discuss and solve the problem or your own country. Real patriots you are.

lmao check the thread title.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh this makes Bush's monitoring of suspected terrorists calls to international destinations look like childs play.

I wonder if I am still seen as a liberal or a democrat (which I am neither BTW) if I totally agree with what you said.. I don't have a problem with certain calls being monitored.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Todd33
Wow, you guys never fail to attack Europe in an attempt to not discuss and solve the problem or your own country. Real patriots you are.

lmao check the thread title.

Ya, I didn't read it as "Come in to attack the EU, all liberals and support Bush". I guess you did. Unless you live in the EU, WTF do you care? Fix the US first, then get back to the rest of the world.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Todd33
Wow, you guys never fail to attack Europe in an attempt to not discuss and solve the problem or your own country. Real patriots you are.

lmao check the thread title.

Ya, I didn't read it as "Come in to attack the EU, all liberals and support Bush". I guess you did. Unless you live in the EU, WTF do you care? Fix the US first, then get back to the rest of the world.

Oh I could have sworn it was "EU Passes Contentious Data-Retention Law". Hmm guess in your red tainted glasses you read it differently.

The reason why I care is because it seems like our Surpreme Court has decided using precident set by the EU is fine in making decisions about laws within our own land.

Do you have anything of construct to add to this outside of rabid defense of an organization that just made Bush's emergency wiretapping look like a joke?

I am really curious what you have to say about this and its ramifications.

 

[maddogchen]

Sounds good, we need that in the US too.

Wow imagine all that data storage needed for something of this scale.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Sounds good, we need that in the US too.

Wow imagine all that data storage needed for something of this scale.

..ya. The silver lining. More IT jobs and cop jobs rounding up all the terrorist sympathizers and other reprobates.

I suspect this EU model is a template for future DRL (data retention laws) yet to be announced in the US.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Sounds good, we need that in the US too.

Wow imagine all that data storage needed for something of this scale.

..ya. The silver lining. More IT jobs and cop jobs rounding up all the terrorist sympathizers and other reprobates.

I suspect this EU model is a template for future DRL (data retention laws) yet to be announced in the US.

given this Administration's past record, we probably got it already, we just don't know it yet.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh this makes Bush's monitoring of suspected terrorists calls to international destinations look like childs play.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't be up in arms about it.

To say that what Bush is doing is OK, just because it's less than what EU leaders are doing, is sort of like saying that torturing people is OK, just because we don't gang-rape them in town square like the Iranians do.

... oh wait - I've heard this argument before...

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Sounds good, we need that in the US too.

Wow imagine all that data storage needed for something of this scale.

..ya. The silver lining. More IT jobs and cop jobs rounding up all the terrorist sympathizers and other reprobates.

I suspect this EU model is a template for future DRL (data retention laws) yet to be announced in the US.

given this Administration's past record, we probably got it already, we just don't know it yet.

There is a smart man

 

[JackStorm]

Ah, so this news is FINALLY getting some exposure, eh? Could have swore I read about this some weeks ago. I wasn't surprised at all when I read it. It annoyed me, sure. But it didn't surprise me. After all, the EU is infested with socialists bending over for the nanny state(s), ready to take it up the ass.

 

[sandorski]

Data Retention is a common procedure. Financial transactions have had it for a long time. Retaining such Data is not the same as spying. What it allows is for Investigators to find specific clues/data on specific Individuals within a time period. The legal procedures to access this Data is what should be the concern, not the Retention of such Data.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Data Retention is a common procedure. Financial transactions have had it for a long time. Retaining such Data is not the same as spying. What it allows is for Investigators to find specific clues/data on specific Individuals within a time period. The legal procedures to access this Data is what should be the concern, not the Retention of such Data.

Well, at least they aren't going to be storing the content of the calls/emails. Still...Ugh...

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Do you have anything of construct to add to this outside of rabid defense of an organization that just made Bush's emergency wiretapping look like a joke?

I am really curious what you have to say about this and its ramifications.

Did you have "anything of construct to add" when you started? I love your fake intellectual curiosity now that you got called out.

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh this makes Bush's monitoring of suspected terrorists calls to international destinations look like childs play.

I have no informed opinion, I don't know enough about it personally. I just wanted to point out the typical Euro-hate the right loves to spew whenever things at home get rough. Iraq the most corrupt nation in the ME? Oil for food! Abu Gareb? France has race riots! I tend to make sure my house in in order before pointing fingers at my neighbors.

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: JackStorm
Ah, so this news is FINALLY getting some exposure, eh? Could have swore I read about this some weeks ago. I wasn't surprised at all when I read it. It annoyed me, sure. But it didn't surprise me. After all, the EU is infested with socialists bending over for the nanny state(s), ready to take it up the ass.

Wow, so when Bush and Co. spy illegally, they are what, patriotic? And when the EU legislates it they are "socialists bending over for the nanny state?"

What happened, suave Frenchie steal your hotty in college? Still not over Jacques and Diane, eh?

Future Shock

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: JackStorm
Ah, so this news is FINALLY getting some exposure, eh? Could have swore I read about this some weeks ago. I wasn't surprised at all when I read it. It annoyed me, sure. But it didn't surprise me. After all, the EU is infested with socialists bending over for the nanny state(s), ready to take it up the ass.

Wow, so when Bush and Co. spy illegally, they are what, patriotic? And when the EU legislates it they are "socialists bending over for the nanny state?"

What happened, suave Frenchie steal your hotty in college? Still not over Jacques and Diane, eh?

Future Shock

I feel the same way about what Bush is doing. Don't confuse me with Zendari or one of the other right wing extremists trolls on this board. I just happen to dislike the socialists since they have this habit of making things easy for authoritarians like Bush by getting everyone dependant on the same government that will eventually screw them over.

Also, if you knew my posting history, you'd know I've never "bashed" the French. So that "Frenchie" comment way off base.

Basically, you're assuming WAY to much about me or what I think.

 

[Future Shock]

Fair enough - if you claim to be an independant libertarian, you've at least got my respect, and I'm sorry if I misinterpreted.

As a US citizen currently residing in the EU, I could tell you a LOT about why and how the EU is doing things in the short term that in reality were probably the only road open to them, and how in the longer term it is FAR prefferable to the previously fractured economies and currencies that existed in old Europe. It's still a work in progress, but all of that legistlation REALLY hides the fact that Europe IS getting critical mass economically, something that could NEVER have happened with the hodgepodge of currencies and economies that existed pre-EU. Unfortunately, the only way to get a whole lot of governments to finally agree to let go of their pasts and get some commonality is endless legistlation and negotiation - unless someone like Germany engaged in a war of conquest and simply united the whole continent...oh wait! - sorry, they tried that one. So I guess we are stuck with endless regulations and legislations, until at least a few generations go by and the concepts of individual nations in the EU seems quaint - kind of like the US really had States that were STATES at one point. But my point of view is that they WILL end up in a much better place economically when the have a combined critical mass, AND that a healthy EU may be the economic partner the US needs to help offset Asian influence in the next century. So wish them well at least...and at least try to consider the alternatives they had.

Future Shock

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Future Shock
Fair enough - if you claim to be an independant libertarian, you've at least got my respect, and I'm sorry if I misinterpreted.

No biggie. Can happen to the best of us. As for me being a independant libertarian. I guess if I had to label myself as anything that would be close enough. I've always shared quite a few traits with individualists and libertarians. And believed in individualism over collectivism and authoritarianism.

As a US citizen currently residing in the EU, I could tell you a LOT about why and how the EU is doing things in the short term that in reality were probably the only road open to them, and how in the longer term it is FAR prefferable to the previously fractured economies and currencies that existed in old Europe. It's still a work in progress, but all of that legistlation REALLY hides the fact that Europe IS getting critical mass economically, something that could NEVER have happened with the hodgepodge of currencies and economies that existed pre-EU. Unfortunately, the only way to get a whole lot of governments to finally agree to let go of their pasts and get some commonality is endless legistlation and negotiation - unless someone like Germany engaged in a war of conquest and simply united the whole continent...oh wait! - sorry, they tried that one. So I guess we are stuck with endless regulations and legislations, until at least a few generations go by and the concepts of individual nations in the EU seems quaint - kind of like the US really had States that were STATES at one point. But my point of view is that they WILL end up in a much better place economically when the have a combined critical mass, AND that a healthy EU may be the economic partner the US needs to help offset Asian influence in the next century. So wish them well at least...and at least try to consider the alternatives they had.

Future Shock

Heh...Funny you should say that. I also currently live in the EU, Sweden to be exact.

Anyway... I guess I'm just getting tired of all this excessive bureaucracy and intrusions into peoples lives. Having traveled around quite a bit, and having lived and worked in more than one country, has made me realize it's slowly getting worse everywhere, no matter where I live.

 

[CanOWorms]

Another tool to be used by the EU in their pursuit of the genocide of undesirables... and the world just lets it happen.