EU bans claim that water can prevent dehydration

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pontifex

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why aren't french fries considered a vegetable? they are just potatoes cooked a certain way.

potatoes are not a vegetable?

what about baked potatoes? not a vegetable either?
 
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pontifex said:
why aren't french fries considered a vegetable? they are just potatoes cooked a certain way.

potatoes are not a vegetable?

what about baked potatoes? not a vegetable either?
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Potatoes are too starchy to really be lumped in with the veggies. It's more carbs than anything else. Sort of like how peanuts and beans really don't count either.
 
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davmat787 said:
Isn't dehydration, by its very definition, a lack of water? If you break down the word, de meaning lack of, hydration, meaning water. I get what you are saying in that the body needs more than just water (electrolytes, etc), but perhaps a better term than dehydration applies.
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Just ignore the stupid trolls. They saw a Gatorade commercial once and think they're smart now. Under normal circumstances all a person needs is plain water to stay hydrated.
 
JD50

JD50

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This is almost as bad as CerpinTaxt or whatever claiming that sex doesn't cause pregnancy.
 
Locut0s

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Ok let's put this in stone. The ruling does indeed seem rather stupid. However there doesn't seem to be any discussion at all in that article behind what motivated this ruling. I'm sure people will disagree but there HAS to have been SOMETHING that originated this argument and the subsequent ruling. The news article in the OP doesn't go into any depth at all as to what lead up to this decision, what the actual details of the ruling are, what was actually discussed in detail, etc etc. As stupid as the final decision may or may not be these are important facts that I'd like elucidated before continuing with all the EU hate, which I don't agree with. I'm not saying the ruling shouldn't be laughed at but taken without the context in which the "law" was passed it's kind of pointless to talk about this. As some have pointed out the concept of hydration as it pertains to legal issues of death and responsibility is indeed more complex than just "water hydrates". So again, I want to read the context behind this ruling.

Anyone have a link?
 
Broheim

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BladeVenom said:
Just ignore the stupid trolls. They saw a Gatorade commercial once and think they're smart now. Under normal circumstances all a person needs is plain water to stay hydrated.
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no, they need water and elctrolytes.
 
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DCal430

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Sigh. Once again. For the idiots:




http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2011/nov/18/1


For fuck's sake
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This person is WRONG. Dehydration is just a lack of water. A lack of Electrolytes and water is not Dehydration, the correct term is Hypovolemia.

The problem is EU and other people defending them are using the term dehydration to refer to the condition of hypovolemia, but they are not the same thing.

People who die from Diarrhoeal disease actually die of Hypovolemia and Hypokalemia and not just dehydration. While dehydration causes these thing, it is not the cause of death. As water it self does fix dehydration, it just doesn't fix Hypovolemia and Hypokalemia.
 
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Broheim

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DCal430 said:
This person is WRONG. Dehydration is just a lack of water. A lack of Electrolytes and water is not Dehydration, the correct term is Hypovolemia.

The problem is EU and other people defending them are using the term dehydration to refer to the condition of hypovolemia, but they are not the same thing.

People who die from Diarrhoeal disease actually die of Hypovolemia and Hypokalemia and not just dehydration. While dehydration causes these thing, it is not the cause of death. As water it self does fix dehydration, it just doesn't fix Hypovolemia and Hypokalemia.
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hypovolemia is (in this scenario) caused by dehydration.
 
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Mark R

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Locut0s said:
Anyone have a link?
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Don't have a link, but there has been some local press coverage.

Essentially, the ruling is very specific about 1 point. The claim that has been criticized is that "drinking water prevents dehydration during physical exertion and therefore improve performance".

The problem is that the above claim is too vague as it doesn't specify the type or duration of the exertion, or when or how much water is drunk.

The ruling was that this was therefore an illegal claim, as it could be interpreted that you could drink water regularly, then go and run a marathon, and still not be dehydrated at the end.
 
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So if I piss into a bottle and claim that drinking it would relieve dehydration, would that cut ice in EU?

After all, it has both salt and water in it with a refreshing dash of ammonia. :sneaky:
 
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Locut0s said:
Ok let's put this in stone. The ruling does indeed seem rather stupid. However there doesn't seem to be any discussion at all in that article behind what motivated this ruling. I'm sure people will disagree but there HAS to have been SOMETHING that originated this argument and the subsequent ruling. The news article in the OP doesn't go into any depth at all as to what lead up to this decision, what the actual details of the ruling are, what was actually discussed in detail, etc etc. As stupid as the final decision may or may not be these are important facts that I'd like elucidated before continuing with all the EU hate, which I don't agree with. I'm not saying the ruling shouldn't be laughed at but taken without the context in which the "law" was passed it's kind of pointless to talk about this. As some have pointed out the concept of hydration as it pertains to legal issues of death and responsibility is indeed more complex than just "water hydrates". So again, I want to read the context behind this ruling.

Anyone have a link?
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http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/doc/1982.pdf

The Regulation (EC) No 1924/20065 defines reduction of disease risk claims as claims which state that the consumption of a food “significantly reduces a risk factor in the development of a human disease”. Thus, for reduction of disease risk claims, the beneficial physiological effect (which the Regulation requires to be shown for the claim to be permitted) results from the reduction of a risk factor for the development of a human disease.
The Panel notes that dehydration was identified as the disease by the applicant. Dehydration is a condition of body water depletion. Upon request for clarification on the risk factor, the applicant proposed “water loss in tissues” or “reduced water content in tissues” as risk factors, the reduction of which was proposed to lead to a reduction of the risk of development of dehydration. The Panel notes that the proposed risk factors are measures of water depletion and thus are measures of the disease (dehydration).
The Panel considers that the proposed claim does not comply with the requirements for a disease risk reduction claim pursuant to Article 14 of Regulation (EC) No 1924/2006.
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Mike Gayner

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DCal430 said:
This person is WRONG. Dehydration is just a lack of water. A lack of Electrolytes and water is not Dehydration, the correct term is Hypovolemia.

The problem is EU and other people defending them are using the term dehydration to refer to the condition of hypovolemia, but they are not the same thing.

People who die from Diarrhoeal disease actually die of Hypovolemia and Hypokalemia and not just dehydration. While dehydration causes these thing, it is not the cause of death. As water it self does fix dehydration, it just doesn't fix Hypovolemia and Hypokalemia.
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You are completely wrong. Dehydration doesn't refer to a lack of water, is refers to a LOSS of water, which is always accompanied by a LOSS of electrolytes. This causes the conditions that you described above.

This isn't rocket science - I'm amazed they don't teach this stuff in biology classes in America.
 
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DCal430

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Mike Gayner said:
You are completely wrong. Dehydration doesn't refer to a lack of water, is refers to a LOSS of water, which is always accompanied by a LOSS of electrolytes. This causes the conditions that you described above.

This isn't rocket science - I'm amazed they don't teach this stuff in biology classes in America.
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WRONG WRONG WRONG. Dehydration may be accomanied by electrolyte loss or without. While around 80 to 90% are with electrolyte loss. However to 10 to 20% are without and giving them electrolytes will make their condition WORST.

People with condition dehydration from diabetes insipidus forexample are treated with free water.
 
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Mike Gayner

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DCal430 said:
WRONG WRONG WRONG. Dehydration may be accomanied by electrolyte loss or without. While around 80 to 90% are with electrolyte loss to 10 to 20% are without and giving them electrolytes will make their condition WORST.
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Read the context above. Then come back and apologise for making an ass of yourself.
 
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