Ethernet Cable to kill HDMI, DisplayPort, DVI, and USB? (plus the dawn of really high resolution TVs)

[cbn]

Link here

I was also quite shocked at the mention of 4096 x 2160 as a TV resolution? Does this mean a 32" LCD could replace a 2560x1600 30" LCD as a jumbo monitor? If so what kind of video card horsepower are we talking to game on one of these 4096x 2160 screens? On something like a 32" LCD 2160p would have a very small dot pitch....which would be nice.

 

[alyarb]

ugh, nothing good on diiva.org. they want your contact info so that they can send you the specs. somebody else get them.

 

[lopri]

Well the question with these interconnect technologies has always been patents, royalties, DRMs, etc., not how good the technology is. (Just look at the ongoing fiasco of 'draft N') Most of modern interconnects can be worked around to send vidio/audio signals. I somehow doubt MPAA would be supportive of connecting PCs to TVs via Cat5e.

BTW, USB 3.0 will be here by next year. Its introduction has been screwed around by Intel (reason? Take a guess. 🙂 ), but the specs are finalized. Max theoretical transfer rate = 5 Gbit/s.

 

[cbn]

I am mostly amazed by the idea of a 2160p resolution.

In fact, couldn't this idea of 4096x2160 set a new standard for LCD monitors? I've already seen 1920x1200 on 17" laptop screens so I already know the small dot pitch is possible.

 

[alyarb]

the ability to make high resolution displays with tiny pixel pitch has nothing to do with this interface though. they do not depend on each other for anything.

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: alyarb
the ability to make high resolution displays with tiny pixel pitch has nothing to do with this interface though. they do not depend on each other for anything.

Is there anything about this interface that allows greater bandwidth though?

Greater bandwidth= greater possible resolutions right?

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Just learning

Originally posted by: alyarb
the ability to make high resolution displays with tiny pixel pitch has nothing to do with this interface though. they do not depend on each other for anything.

Is there anything about this interface that allows greater bandwidth though?

Greater bandwidth= greater possible resolutions right?

I think Dual-Link DVI allows up to 3840x2160, and we're still sticking at 2560x1600. Currently technologies are fine for what we have and have some headroom, but the manufacturing of such products isn't there.
2560x1600 panels are expensive enough, so I doubt it's lack of connection bandwidth holding people back.

A quick look at wikipedia suggests Dual Link DVI can only manage 3840x2400 at 33Hz so maybe I was wrong, but I still think price is more of a barrier than anything.

 

[alyarb]

you have to admit, diiva offers big bandwidth. the industry doesn't depend on it, though.

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: Just learning

Originally posted by: alyarb
the ability to make high resolution displays with tiny pixel pitch has nothing to do with this interface though. they do not depend on each other for anything.

Is there anything about this interface that allows greater bandwidth though?

Greater bandwidth= greater possible resolutions right?

A quick look at wikipedia suggests Dual Link DVI can only manage 3840x2400 at 33Hz so maybe I was wrong, but I still think price is more of a barrier than anything.

I am hoping these type of panels become "standardized" somehow because of the money issues you mentioned. If that happens maybe a 4096x 1714 LCD monitor could become affordable if a TV was able to be used for this purpose.

With 4096 x1714 basically we are talking two Big LCDs stuck together but with no side bezels in the middle.

 

[alyarb]

who said anything about standardizing a panel? diiva is an interface. 2K and 4K panels will come when there is a large enough market to bear them. the technology exists right now. Chi Mei has produced 56 inch TFT LCDs that are 3840x2160. the pixel pitch of such a panel would need to be one quarter the size of a 56" at 1080p, and that is certainly possible as there are panels as small as 15.4" that are higher than 1080p.

 

[ViRGE]

Looking at who's backing it, I wouldn't expect it to go anywhere. The major backers are all Chinese firms, so if it takes off I would expect that it would end up functioning as a regional Chinese standard, rather than gaining world-wide traction.

 

[taltamir]

its basically "everything over ethernet"... even POWER (5W)... and it is an open standard which is royalty free, backed up by asian manufacturers and chinese government... why? because they are sick and tired of paying royalities for shit standards..
Oh and it has absolutely no DRM whatsoever.

I would love to use it over any other connector, thats for sure.

 

[doctorpink]

Chinese hates royalties..... + they are the manufactureur of the world.....
all they want is cheap as possible!

 

[alyarb]

they need to just make it a data cable. let the end devices decide what the data is. devoting 13+ gigabits to someone who probably will only be using a single 1920x1080 stream is a huge waste of that bandwidth.

 

[DaveSimmons]

No HDCP = no support from content creators = dead in the water except for Asian countries that tacitly embrace content piracy.

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: ViRGE
Looking at who's backing it, I wouldn't expect it to go anywhere. The major backers are all Chinese firms, so if it takes off I would expect that it would end up functioning as a regional Chinese standard, rather than gaining world-wide traction.

LG, Panasonic, Samsung are not Chinese firms.

Noticably absent are Sony and Philips. Hmmm.. is there a reason why Sony and Philips might be against a royalty-free standard?? But even if Diiva takes root only in the Chinese market, all major players (Sony included) will have to make diiva if they want to sell a lot of products in the Chinese market (which isn't small!).

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
No HDCP = no support from content creators = dead in the water except for Asian countries that tacitly embrace content piracy.

LOL it may be true that a lot of Asian countries don't care if the people are selling pirated CDs/DVDs on the streets,.. but at the same time let's not forget that most major Torrent sites are non-Asian and most of those torrenters downloading warez and mp3 and divx are non-Asian. My point? Piracy is universally embraced, and in most instances I support it 😀

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: taltamir
its basically "everything over ethernet"... even POWER (5W)... and it is an open standard which is royalty free, backed up by asian manufacturers and chinese government... why? because they are sick and tired of paying royalities for shit standards..
Oh and it has absolutely no DRM whatsoever.

I would love to use it over any other connector, thats for sure.

Wow. This would be great. I'd totally go for this. Screw HDMI.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
No HDCP = no support from content creators = dead in the water except for Asian countries that tacitly embrace content piracy.

LOL it may be true that a lot of Asian countries don't care if the people are selling pirated CDs/DVDs on the streets,.. but at the same time let's not forget that most major Torrent sites are non-Asian and most of those torrenters downloading warez and mp3 and divx are non-Asian. My point? Piracy is universally embraced, and in most instances I support it 😀

Asia has the largest piracy rate of any continent. In fact, North America has the lowest.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
No HDCP = no support from content creators = dead in the water except for Asian countries that tacitly embrace content piracy.

It has HDCP support.

What type of content protection will be used in DiiVA?
Currently, DiiVA plans to support HDCP 2.0 and DTCP-IP content protection systems. HDCP 2.0 would be the baseline
content protection for uncompressed video and audio. Since content protection keys are passed as data packets in the
Hybrid Channel, multiple content protection schemes can be supported within DiiVA. So if another content protection
scheme is required, it can be easily implemented within DiiVA without the need to change the cable definition.

Originally posted by: shangshang
LG, Panasonic, Samsung are not Chinese firms.

You're right of course, they're not. But if you look at their about us page they're making a clear distinction between who's backing it, and who's just lending technical resources. The backers are all Chinese firms, the others are the technical contributors.

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
No HDCP = no support from content creators = dead in the water except for Asian countries that tacitly embrace content piracy.

LOL it may be true that a lot of Asian countries don't care if the people are selling pirated CDs/DVDs on the streets,.. but at the same time let's not forget that most major Torrent sites are non-Asian and most of those torrenters downloading warez and mp3 and divx are non-Asian. My point? Piracy is universally embraced, and in most instances I support it 😀

Asia has the largest piracy rate of any continent. In fact, North America has the lowest.

Everytime I peek at a warez torrent, I see 1/2 to 2/3 of the peering machines with IPs from the USA. Piracy is univerally embraced no? Piracy is piracy no?

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: alyarb
they need to just make it a data cable. let the end devices decide what the data is. devoting 13+ gigabits to someone who probably will only be using a single 1920x1080 stream is a huge waste of that bandwidth.

my understanding is that is what they are doing...

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
No HDCP = no support from content creators = dead in the water except for Asian countries that tacitly embrace content piracy.

LOL it may be true that a lot of Asian countries don't care if the people are selling pirated CDs/DVDs on the streets,.. but at the same time let's not forget that most major Torrent sites are non-Asian and most of those torrenters downloading warez and mp3 and divx are non-Asian. My point? Piracy is universally embraced, and in most instances I support it 😀

Asia has the largest piracy rate of any continent. In fact, North America has the lowest.

Everytime I peek at a warez torrent, I see 1/2 to 2/3 of the peering machines with IPs from the USA. Piracy is univerally embraced no? Piracy is piracy no?

Yeah, but it takes a little effort to buy bootleg discs off the street in North America. It's hard not to in Asia outside of Japan. Torrents are a very minor source of piracy, they're just the most prevalent threat in the markets where copyright owners make the vast majority of their profits.