Essex teen arrested for sending an illegal BBM

[HAL9000]

Really? Is that why just about everything is being watched on camera 24/7, regardless of whether a crime is being committed?

So what? What does that have to do with privacy, it's in a public place.

Well duh, you make free speech a "crime", and then say "we allow all speech that isn't a crime". The way the UK laws work, just about all free expression is now subject to possible criminal charges as "hate speech". Hell, singing the song "kung fu fighting" can lead to charges remember?

Hate speech is a crime, free speech isn't.

 

[Double Trouble]

So what? What does that have to do with privacy, it's in a public place.

People in most free countries don't think monitoring everyone and everything is part of a free society that values privacy. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

Hate speech is a crime, free speech isn't.

And, when the laws make just about anything possible "hate speech", then free speech is effectively criminalized and dead. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[HAL9000]

People in most free countries don't think monitoring everyone and everything is part of a free society that values privacy. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

Yeah, in the UK, having cameras in public places has nothing to do with privacy, particularly given that no one is monitoring individuals with it.

And, when the laws make just about anything possible "hate speech", then free speech is effectively criminalized and dead. Thanks for proving my point.

Hate speech is quite clear cut, you can't cover everything with hate speech.

 

[Double Trouble]

Yeah, in the UK, having cameras in public places has nothing to do with privacy, particularly given that no one is monitoring individuals with it.

How do you know what's actually being monitored with it? You're just taking the word of someone.

Hate speech is quite clear cut, you can't cover everything with hate speech.

Bullshit. One man's "hate speech" is another man's "free speech". It's not at all clear cut. When you create a situation where you're never sure if something you say could lead to criminal charges, free speech is dead. In the UK, it's dead.

 

[HAL9000]

How do you know what's actually being monitored with it? You're just taking the word of someone.

1) My friend works in a CCTV control room
2) The cameras are aimed at people coming out of starbucks etc, what information can they really gain from that...?

Bullshit. One man's "hate speech" is another man's "free speech". It's not at all clear cut. When you create a situation where you're never sure if something you say could lead to criminal charges, free speech is dead. In the UK, it's dead.

No it's really not.

Hate speech: (according to wikipedia)

In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group. The law may identify a protected individual or a protected group by race, gender, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity,[3] or other characteristic.

Seems pretty clear cut to me

 

[Broheim]

Really? Is that why just about everything is being watched on camera 24/7, regardless of whether a crime is being committed?

you have no expaction of privacy in a public area.

also, americans need to get off their high horse about the cameras, what do you think homeland security and the NSA does for a living? how many cameras are installed in metropolitan areas of the US? how many traffic cams are around? at least the the brits are up front about it.

Well duh, you make free speech a "crime", and then say "we allow all speech that isn't a crime". The way the UK laws work, just about all free expression is now subject to possible criminal charges as "hate speech". Hell, singing the song "kung fu fighting" can lead to charges remember?

The UK has jumped the shark... from great empire to sniveling politically correct cowards in record time.

this isn't about free speech... it's about intent to commit a crime, would you view this any differently if the teen had approached people in person?

 

[Mr. President]

I don't particularly like it but, given the circumstances, I sorta find myself agreeing with this. Under different circumstances I would have opposed it but then I also doubt that the UK would have acted on this under such a scenario.

It's one thing to encourage a riot when there is little risk of it but quite another to try and make a current crisis worse. It's for the same reason that I make a distinction between looting and shoplifting.

The way that some people are trying to paint this is just reactionary and silly.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Incitement to riot is a crime in the USofA and encouraging suicide over the internet appears to be one also. Freedom of speech not found.

 

[HAL9000]

Incitement to riot is a crime in the USofA

That's true.

and encouraging suicide over the internet appears to be one also.

It should be.

Freedom of speech not found.

The UK has freedom of speech, and we, like America have provisions that are not protected by freedom of speech, like shouting fire in a crowded place or threats.

 

[piasabird]

BBM = what exactly.

 

[PingviN]

Lol @ UK

Patriot Act

Lol @ US

?

 

[Doppel]

Incitement to riot is a crime in the USofA and encouraging suicide over the internet appears to be one also. Freedom of speech not found.

How did it take over 30 posts for somebody to finally say this? I thought everybody knew that inciting a riot in the US is a crime and thus although this does impact free speech in the UK it does in the US also.

BBM = Blackberry Message. I own a Blackberry and had never heard of that acronym until now. Simply calling it a "Text" would have achieved the point far clearer.

 

[WelshBloke]

How did it take over 30 posts for somebody to finally say this? I thought everybody knew that inciting a riot in the US is a crime and thus although this does impact free speech in the UK it does in the US also.

BBM = Blackberry Message. I own a Blackberry and had never heard of that acronym until now. Simply calling it a "Text" would have achieved the point far clearer.

Most of the forum knee jerks alarmingly when:-

1. Hal makes a thread
2. A thread is about something that happens in the UK
3. Hal makes a thread about the UK

Dont worry, they really cant help it.

 

[Soundmanred]

BBM = what exactly.

It's the male version of a BBW.

 

[JS80]

Seems pretty clear cut to me

"Jews are ruining the economy. Something must be done! They must be dealt with!"

^Is that hate speech?

 

[Broheim]

It's the male version of a BBW.

 

[Broheim]

"Jews are ruining the economy. Something must be done! They must be dealt with!"

^Is that hate speech?

no that's hitler speak

 

[davmat787]

Patriot Act

Lol @ US

?

Yes, there are LOL's to be had all over the globe.

 

[bfdd]

encouraging suicide being illegal is the stupidest fucking law ever. if a person is going to kill themselves, let them and i should be able to encourage those i don't like to take their own lives if they're so willing to. why the hell would i want them around and why would anyone want someone around who's just going to kill themselves? bunch of scared children who never grew up are the reason we have no right to death in this country, USA.

 

[davmat787]

BBM = what exactly.

British Bowel Movement

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Patriot Act

Lol @ US

?

Start your own thread about the Patriot Act and I'll be over to LOL at it too.

 

[jman19]

British Bowel Movement

I lol'd.

Anyway, not sure why people here are making this a US vs. British free speech thing. You can't legally openly incite riots or violence in the US either.

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/13/uk-teen-arrested-for-illegal-bbm-social-media-crackdown-gains-s/



Definitely seems like a good pre-emptive measure to me... Thoughts?

Thoughts superfluos,suppression

 

[Nemesis 1]

How did it take over 30 posts for somebody to finally say this? I thought everybody knew that inciting a riot in the US is a crime and thus although this does impact free speech in the UK it does in the US also.

BBM = Blackberry Message. I own a Blackberry and had never heard of that acronym until now. Simply calling it a "Text" would have achieved the point far clearer.

So what amendment says Americans have the right to bare arms in the event the government tries to remove are constitional rights. It would seem to me these 2 laws are in conflict one with the other. One is unconstitional , You choose

 

[HAL9000]

How did it take over 30 posts for somebody to finally say this? I thought everybody knew that inciting a riot in the US is a crime and thus although this does impact free speech in the UK it does in the US also.

BBM = Blackberry Message. I own a Blackberry and had never heard of that acronym until now. Simply calling it a "Text" would have achieved the point far clearer.

In the UK a "text" refers to an SMS.