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Essay Assistance

Slimline

Slimline

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Hello, I am writing an essay paper that is due next week that I am having difficulty with. I am horrible with essays, especially with getting started and organized. This is for a public administration class I am taking. The topic is "All high school in Ontario should have police on site" I am having trouble coming up with three concrete ideas to support this statement. The only idea I really have is to reduce violence through police presence? Does anyone have any good ideas that come to mind, and maybe a good place for sources of information?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rob
 
Too keep guns out? Oh, I forgot, you live in the people's republic of Kanada.
 
perhaps to keep weapons out of the school system could be a point. However the sarcasm is not necessary.
 
Originally posted by: Scouzer
Why can't you refute the point?
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I am quite sure I can. However I am not sure if that would be an easier argument? Although I can think of 2 points first hand for that:
Cost
removing officers from the streets
 
Originally posted by: Slimline
perhaps to keep weapons out of the school system could be a point. However the sarcasm is not necessary.
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Whoops, I now realize you were referring to the first post. My mistake.
 
police presence would discourage weapons/drugs being brought in, provide quick on-site response to violent or illegal activity, foster a better relationship between kids and authority, and in the end lead to a safer and more stable learning environment.

I don't necessarily agree with all of those, but I think you could argue for them
 
Originally posted by: osiris3mc
Originally posted by: Slimline
perhaps to keep weapons out of the school system could be a point. However the sarcasm is not necessary.
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Whoops, I now realized you were referring to the first post. My mistake.
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hmm. it is one of the run of the mill essays, like statement example explanation jobby....your supposed to present both sides? So maybe one good point, two bad and then conclude that it is unfeasable? How would you write the thesis then? You couldnt be like "Schools in Ontario should have police on site for safety, but not for ... and ....?
 
You could say that by having police in high schools you are cutting costs in the long run and improving social welfare because you are instilling a belief of good behavior through the police presence in the schools. I don't know how realistic that is, but it makes sense. Teenagers who see police around them all the time might develop a certain mindset of good behavior and that could carry with them throughout life.
 
Originally posted by: nater
police presence would discourage weapons/drugs being brought in, provide quick on-site response to violent or illegal activity, foster a better relationship between kids and authority, and in the end lead to a safer and more stable learning environment.

I don't necessarily agree with all of those, but I think you could argue for them
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God damn! You just nailed what I have been trying to think of in like 10 minutes flat. Ill look up some information and see what i can find to support it.
 
Also, nater, is it proper to have 4 points in your essay? Is three the proper amount or would more supporting detail be better?
 
I just think you can't present one side and not at least touch on the other. For instance, writing an essay on something like the benefits of free trade would not be a decent essay without at least brining up and possibly refuting opposide arguments for tariffs. So in your essay, you might say something like, "opponents of police at schools might say that gov't police power does not belong in a nuturing environment like school, where people come to learn in a peaceful setting..." Then if you want, attack it by saying how in the ideal world, it would be peaceful, but in reality that is not the case and it's better to have police there all the time then have isolated outbreaks of violence.
 
Originally posted by: osiris3mc
I just think you can't present one side and not at least touch on the other. For instance, writing an essay on something like the benefits of free trade would not be a decent essay without at least brining up and possibly refuting opposide arguments for tariffs. So in your essay, you might say something like, "opponents of police at schools might say that gov't police power does not belong in a nuturing environment like school, where people come to learn in a peaceful setting..." Then if you want, attack it by saying how in the ideal world, it would be peaceful, but in reality that is not the case and it's better to have police there all the time then have isolated outbreaks of violence.
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This is a good point! Since you already have ideas on what to do, here's one on how to get started.
Do a brief outline, bullet points, of what you want to argue/discuss that includes a resource list for each point. It really helps you to stay on task as you can see how the essay will flow.
Also, don't forget to list those resources. I've seen many good essays get killed because they didn't quote resources.
 
Originally posted by: osiris3mc
I just think you can't present one side and not at least touch on the other. For instance, writing an essay on something like the benefits of free trade would not be a decent essay without at least brining up and possibly refuting opposide arguments for tariffs. So in your essay, you might say something like, "opponents of police at schools might say that gov't police power does not belong in a nuturing environment like school, where people come to learn in a peaceful setting..." Then if you want, attack it by saying how in the ideal world, it would be peaceful, but in reality that is not the case and it's better to have police there all the time then have isolated outbreaks of violence.
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Actually, I was tought its better to just pick a side and develop that. From high school through college, in all the essays you need to make an argument (thesis), and then substantiate it. Trying to show both sides, while informative, does not make for a good essay.
 
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: osiris3mc
I just think you can't present one side and not at least touch on the other. For instance, writing an essay on something like the benefits of free trade would not be a decent essay without at least brining up and possibly refuting opposide arguments for tariffs. So in your essay, you might say something like, "opponents of police at schools might say that gov't police power does not belong in a nuturing environment like school, where people come to learn in a peaceful setting..." Then if you want, attack it by saying how in the ideal world, it would be peaceful, but in reality that is not the case and it's better to have police there all the time then have isolated outbreaks of violence.
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Actually, I was tought its better to just pick a side and develop that. From high school through college, in all the essays you need to make an argument (thesis), and then substantiate it. Trying to show both sides, while informative, does not make for a good essay.
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Hmm. I was taught that it is better to show both sides. Of course if we are talking about a high school 5 paragraph essay, there is no room for it. I guess I'm referring more to the essays written for poli sci classes, econ, etc.
 
Originally posted by: osiris3mc
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: osiris3mc
I just think you can't present one side and not at least touch on the other. For instance, writing an essay on something like the benefits of free trade would not be a decent essay without at least brining up and possibly refuting opposide arguments for tariffs. So in your essay, you might say something like, "opponents of police at schools might say that gov't police power does not belong in a nuturing environment like school, where people come to learn in a peaceful setting..." Then if you want, attack it by saying how in the ideal world, it would be peaceful, but in reality that is not the case and it's better to have police there all the time then have isolated outbreaks of violence.
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Actually, I was tought its better to just pick a side and develop that. From high school through college, in all the essays you need to make an argument (thesis), and then substantiate it. Trying to show both sides, while informative, does not make for a good essay.
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Hmm. I was taught that it is better to show both sides. Of course if we are talking about a high school 5 paragraph essay, there is no room for it. I guess I'm referring more to the essays written for poli sci classes, econ, etc.
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My poli sci essay was last semester. On the outline it says I can have 3-5 supporting paragraphs. So I guess that answers my question. I think i will use a few of naters ideas. Now just to find some good examples, and then learn MLA all over again...🙁
 
Originally posted by: osiris3mc
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: osiris3mc
I just think you can't present one side and not at least touch on the other. For instance, writing an essay on something like the benefits of free trade would not be a decent essay without at least brining up and possibly refuting opposide arguments for tariffs. So in your essay, you might say something like, "opponents of police at schools might say that gov't police power does not belong in a nuturing environment like school, where people come to learn in a peaceful setting..." Then if you want, attack it by saying how in the ideal world, it would be peaceful, but in reality that is not the case and it's better to have police there all the time then have isolated outbreaks of violence.
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Actually, I was tought its better to just pick a side and develop that. From high school through college, in all the essays you need to make an argument (thesis), and then substantiate it. Trying to show both sides, while informative, does not make for a good essay.
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Hmm. I was taught that it is better to show both sides. Of course if we are talking about a high school 5 paragraph essay, there is no room for it. I guess I'm referring more to the essays written for poli sci classes, econ, etc.
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Yeah, this was DEFINITELY the case for in-class essays. There just is not enough time to address two sides of a topic. In college especially, they would give prompts geared towards an agree/disagree position, and then you would have to show your knowledge of the material by recalling certain points, and then apply them to your argument. I was often told that there are no "right" answers, just that you defend your position well.

I have written longer papers as well that address many aspects of an issue, but those are more like research papers than essays.
 
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