ESPN's "wokeness" reaches it's zenith.

[agent00f]

So in your mind, you are going to fight the Racists/Nazis by acting just like them and attacking Liberals and others in opposition? You claim to hate those whom carry water for them, yet you attack those denouncing them. How very interesting.

It's certainly true conservatives denounce racists/nazi as much as their birther magnate.

 

[digiram]

I think it's retarded by ESPN, but this really is much ado over nothing.

 

[Jhhnn]

I can't stand the Hildabeast and I don't buy into the "OMG Trump has the football" hysteria currently fashionable, but I can't see how one can believe that Trump is significantly less dangerous than is she. They pretty much share the same negative qualities, while she is undeniably more thoughtful. (Or if you wish, more scheming.) Trump is pretty much mega-Hillary with a penis. (Presumably anyway - he does remind me of Dan Halen . . .)

That's some mighty fancy dancin' right there. Yessirree.

There's little in the world more dangerous than gross incompetence, something Trump has shown in abundance.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think it's retarded by ESPN, but this really is much ado over nothing.

It's Alt-right outrage addicts craving their fix. When they get like this they can get off on anything, even their own imaginations. It's like smoking Nebraska ditch weed & thinking that you're really stoned, man.

 

[FFFF]

I can't stand the Hildabeast and I don't buy into the "OMG Trump has the football" hysteria currently fashionable, but I can't see how one can believe that Trump is significantly less dangerous than is she. They pretty much share the same negative qualities, while she is undeniably more thoughtful. (Or if you wish, more scheming.) Trump is pretty much mega-Hillary with a penis. (Presumably anyway - he does remind me of Dan Halen . . .)

I've explained it already, the reason I consider Hillary Clinton a more dangerous choice is not because of pizzagate or any of that nonsense, but because on her watch just like with Obama, PC culture would have kept growing and along the hypocrisy that comes with it. That's what I consider the biggest threat to society right now, with hypocrisy and censorship growing like that it could really downspiral into a "1984" world where freedom of speech would only be a shallow memory.

 

[agent00f]

I've explained it already, the reason I consider Hillary Clinton a more dangerous choice is not because of pizzagate or any of that nonsense, but because on her watch just like with Obama, PC culture would have kept growing and along the hypocrisy that comes with it. That's what I consider the biggest threat to society right now, with hypocrisy and censorship growing like that it could really downspiral into a "1984" world where freedom of speech would only be a shallow memory.

Easy to see why political allies to nazis/klan are fighting for "free speech".

 

[Jhhnn]

Heh. "PC culture" is just another right wing boogeyman, like job stealing Mexican rapists, Voter fraud, gun grabbers, baby killers, reefer madness, Jade Helm & Sharia Law.

 

[werepossum]

That's some mighty fancy dancin' right there. Yessirree.

There's little in the world more dangerous than gross incompetence, something Trump has shown in abundance.

I disagree. Evil is much, much more dangerous than gross incompetence. If I must have evil in power, then I very much prefer it to be grossly incompetent evil.

 

[werepossum]

I've explained it already, the reason I consider Hillary Clinton a more dangerous choice is not because of pizzagate or any of that nonsense, but because on her watch just like with Obama, PC culture would have kept growing and along the hypocrisy that comes with it. That's what I consider the biggest threat to society right now, with hypocrisy and censorship growing like that it could really downspiral into a "1984" world where freedom of speech would only be a shallow memory.

I would argue that Trump is actually going to be an accelerating influence on left wing political correctness culture, being a prime example of what can happen if everyone is allowed to speak and all ideas are allowed without "proper government oversight". Very little of our current PC fascism actually flows from the President; it's mostly in the private and quasi-governmental sectors, especially education and journalism. Similarly there's little Trump can do to fight it, assuming he even cares to do so and isn't distracted by a squirrel. Honestly, with all his Tweeting about fake news, I'm not getting the feeling that he enjoys free speech protections any more than does Hillary.

 

[FFFF]

I would argue that Trump is actually going to be an accelerating influence on left wing political correctness culture, being a prime example of what can happen if everyone is allowed to speak and all ideas are allowed without "proper government oversight". Very little of our current PC fascism actually flows from the President; it's mostly in the private and quasi-governmental sectors, especially education and journalism. Similarly there's little Trump can do to fight it, assuming he even cares to do so and isn't distracted by a squirrel. Honestly, with all his Tweeting about fake news, I'm not getting the feeling that he enjoys free speech protections any more than does Hillary.

While Trump can't really fight PC culture with policies or might not even have the desire to, his entire persona stands against everything the PC advocates hold dear and even if Trump would embrace PC culture they would still denounce him due to the narrative built all these years. So, if nothing else, Trump stands as a good antagonist to the liberal mainstream media and unintentionally expose some more of the PC hypocrisy which as you can see it's working as more and more people are waking up.

 

[werepossum]

While Trump can't really fight PC culture with policies or might not even have the desire to, his entire persona stands against everything the PC advocates hold dear and even if Trump would embrace PC culture they would still denounce him due to the narrative built all these years. So, if nothing else, Trump stands as a good antagonist to the liberal mainstream media and unintentionally expose some more of the PC hypocrisy which as you can see it's working as more and more people are waking up.

He's a good antagonist in that he makes them go berserk and demonstrate their Trump Derangement Syndrome. He is not a good antagonist for presenting an image of a better alternative. It's not enough to simply expose the left's PC lunacy if it's done while also demonstrating the right's lunacy. At best, he can only make people disengage from the whole process. That's a losing proposition for the right because the left is much more organized to get out the vote and many if not most of their constituencies are self-motivating, wanting specific things from government and thus more willing to overlook a stinker of a candidate for the promise of those things. (And yes, lefties, I do recognize the irony of saying that after Trump's election.)

 

[FFFF]

He's a good antagonist in that he makes them go berserk and demonstrate their Trump Derangement Syndrome. He is not a good antagonist for presenting an image of a better alternative. It's not enough to simply expose the left's PC lunacy if it's done while also demonstrating the right's lunacy. At best, he can only make people disengage from the whole process. That's a losing proposition for the right because the left is much more organized to get out the vote and many if not most of their constituencies are self-motivating, wanting specific things from government and thus more willing to overlook a stinker of a candidate for the promise of those things. (And yes, lefties, I do recognize the irony of saying that after Trump's election.)

I must agree that nullifying the extremism on both sides would be most preferable, but sometimes you must accept that you simply can't fight two battles at the same time and win. That's why I, as a centrist who values pragmatism above all else, I must pick one battle at a time and do anything in my power to stop the much bigger threat on the left first.

From what I gather here, you're most likely a moderate conservative which means you're still idealizing the values of the conservative party. Unlike you, I'd have no problem joining with the left if and when they return to common sense. Sadly, I don't see that happening for many years to come, which is why I'm looking forward to better alternatives to Trump on the republican side.

 

[Jhhnn]

I disagree. Evil is much, much more dangerous than gross incompetence. If I must have evil in power, then I very much prefer it to be grossly incompetent evil.

So, Trump is evil rather than simply incompetent?

 

[Jhhnn]

I must pick one battle at a time and do anything in my power to stop the much bigger threat on the left first.

The threat you can't define, but represent as real. Do I need some kind of secret decoder ring to find meaning in your message?

 

[FFFF]

The threat you can't define, but represent as real. Do I need some kind of secret decoder ring to find meaning in your message?

If you willingly ignore what's in front of you, that's your problem.

 

[yllus]

Just for the sake of representation, I'm a liberal and thought think was completely moronic. There is such a thing as being too PC.

 

[Jhhnn]

If you willingly ignore what's in front of you, that's your problem.

What you've laid out is a nebulous conspiracy theory.

 

[FFFF]

Just for the sake of representation, I'm a liberal and thought think was completely moronic. There is such a thing as being too PC.

Which is why Political Corectness needs to be eradicated completely, it reached the point of no return a long time ago.

 

[yllus]

Which is why Political Corectness needs to be eradicated completely, it reached the point of no return a long time ago.

I don't agree with that. It's sorely needed because the folks who want to get rid of political correctness are always really just saying, "I want to be able to be openly racist again!" But even good things can be taken to an extreme. This is a learning opportunity.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just for the sake of representation, I'm a liberal and thought think was completely moronic. There is such a thing as being too PC.

For sure. The fact that the Right has to go on an anti-PC culture war crusade over something so trivial is telling, however.

They've got their own strange form of PC going, anyway, like condemning people who get right up in the faces of armed & armored Nazis & White Supremacists who come looking for a fight in the first place.

 

[FFFF]

I don't agree with that. It's sorely needed because the folks who want to get rid of political correctness are always really just saying, "I want to be able to be openly racist again!" But even good things can be taken to an extreme. This is a learning opportunity.

That's a rather naive POV, but we need more moderate liberals such as yourself who can admit to mistakes.

 

[zinfamous]

While Trump can't really fight PC culture with policies or might not even have the desire to, his entire persona stands against everything the PC advocates hold dear and even if Trump would embrace PC culture they would still denounce him due to the narrative built all these years. So, if nothing else, Trump stands as a good antagonist to the liberal mainstream media and unintentionally expose some more of the PC hypocrisy which as you can see it's working as more and more people are waking up.

what threat on the left?

define it.

how does it threaten you? where does the country stand with this "threat?" where is it? make an argument for once, you little shit.

 

[sandorski]

what threat on the left?

define it.

how does it threaten you? where does the country stand with this "threat?" where is it? make an argument for once, you little shit.

My Vocabulary, right or wrong!!

 

[zinfamous]

My Vocabulary, right or wrong!!

I still don't know what "wokeness" means. Perhaps someone can explain it to me? I'm not up to date with contemporary Nazi.

 

[pmv]

Just for the sake of representation, I'm a liberal and thought think was completely moronic. There is such a thing as being too PC.

Don't really see where 'PC' even comes into it. That seems to be overstating the degree of ideological thinking behind it.

It's a profit-driven corporation, focussing on sport (a.k.a. tedious inconsequential trivia). Making a completely inconsequential choice about which commentator comments on which games, out of some probably decidedly vague anxiety that someone somewhere might possibly make something out of the coincidence of names (whether in a political way or just via silly jokes), and that that might, in some unspecified way, cause some trouble for them and ultimately affect their bottom-line. There's no concern for politics there, its just the usual 'safety first' reasoning of a corporation that is overwhelmingly concerned with that bottom-line. Seems like an utterly trivial story. Hardly worthy of a thread.