Eric Holder Hate Bill testimony

[GeezerMan]

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Mr. and Mrs. Pike are a bit odd here, and you may not agree with their comments, but they do have a good point about the bill. Holder's testimony before the senate, he keeps talking about the act is meant to protect groups that have had a historic problem of being attacked.
Everyone is equal, others are just more equal.

 

[OCGuy]

It is funny how the some of the most racist people in America are the ones who pretend they are fighting it.

Hopefully the recent SCOTUS ruling reminds congress that it is unconstitutional to put any group above another.

 

[Jaskalas]

Eric Holder is a racist, I?m shocked. Shocked!

 

[MotF Bane]

More discrimination and racism.

 

[GeezerMan]

it is amazing. We are all supposed to have equal protection under the law. Holder acts like right now if a black man gets lynched by a white group, nothing happens and we need a hate bill to get them prosecuted.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan
it is amazing. We are all supposed to have equal protection under the law. Holder acts like right now if a black man gets lynched by a white group, nothing happens and we need a hate bill to get them prosecuted.

The whacko fundie righties want bedroom control. The equally whacko lefties want thought control.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: GeezerMan
it is amazing. We are all supposed to have equal protection under the law. Holder acts like right now if a black man gets lynched by a white group, nothing happens and we need a hate bill to get them prosecuted.

The whacko fundie righties want bedroom control. The equally whacko lefties want thought control.

Whacko fundie righties think tougher hate crime penalties == thought control.

 

[MotF Bane]

"Whacko fundies" of either side are still insane.

 

[sandorski]

Hate Crime Laws are a Good thing. They address issues that need addressing directly.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: GeezerMan
it is amazing. We are all supposed to have equal protection under the law. Holder acts like right now if a black man gets lynched by a white group, nothing happens and we need a hate bill to get them prosecuted.

The whacko fundie righties want bedroom control. The equally whacko lefties want thought control.

Whacko fundie righties think tougher hate crime penalties == thought control.

They want to punish you for what you thought (hate) while you were committing the crime. Somehow I seem to equate punishing someone based upon an action as a method of controlling an action. If punish someone for jaywalking, I am attempting to control jaywalking, if I punish someone for what they think, I am trying to control thinking.

It is a slightly bad analogy because they are attempting to only control for thoughts during the commission of a crime, but they are attempting to punish someone for their thoughts and beliefs that motivated the crime. I am not completely comfortable with that idea.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Hate Crime Laws are a Good thing. They address issues that need addressing directly.

Yes, because a bar fight between a black guy and a white guy is FAR worse than two whites or two blacks, and deserves extra punishment. :roll:

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: GeezerMan
it is amazing. We are all supposed to have equal protection under the law. Holder acts like right now if a black man gets lynched by a white group, nothing happens and we need a hate bill to get them prosecuted.

The whacko fundie righties want bedroom control. The equally whacko lefties want thought control.

Whacko fundie righties think tougher hate crime penalties == thought control.

They want to punish you for what you thought (hate) while you were committing the crime. Somehow I seem to equate punishing someone based upon an action as a method of controlling an action. If punish someone for jaywalking, I am attempting to control jaywalking, if I punish someone for what they think, I am trying to control thinking.

It is a slightly bad analogy because they are attempting to only control for thoughts during the commission of a crime, but they are attempting to punish someone for their thoughts and beliefs that motivated the crime. I am not completely comfortable with that idea.

Intent and motive factor into severity of the crime, it's nothing new. You beat someone up due to their race or sexual orientation, you are a bigger threat to society than someone who got into a fight because they had too much to drink.

 

[GeezerMan]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski
Hate Crime Laws are a Good thing. They address issues that need addressing directly.

Yes, because a bar fight between a black guy and a white guy is FAR worse than two whites or two blacks, and deserves extra punishment. :roll:

Please report to Gitmo for waterboarding and re-education classes

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Intent and motive factor into severity of the crime, it's nothing new. You beat someone up due to their race or sexual orientation, you are a bigger threat to society than someone who got into a fight because they had too much to drink.

And you are OK with the government deciding why you are doing something instead of just punishing you for the action.......


The power/trust that the Left gives government is absolutely insane...

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski
Hate Crime Laws are a Good thing. They address issues that need addressing directly.

Yes, because a bar fight between a black guy and a white guy is FAR worse than two whites or two blacks, and deserves extra punishment. :roll:

Please report to Gitmo for waterboarding and re-education classes

A white guy beating up a black guy because he's black is worse than two whites or black and a white getting into a bar fight.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: senseamp

Intent and motive factor into severity of the crime, it's nothing new. You beat someone up due to their race or sexual orientation, you are a bigger threat to society than someone who got into a fight because they had too much to drink.

And you are OK with the government deciding why you are doing something instead of just punishing you for the action.......


The power/trust that the Left gives government is absolutely insane...

Not the government, but the jury of one's peers. It happens all the time. Ever hear of possession with intent to distribute?

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski
Hate Crime Laws are a Good thing. They address issues that need addressing directly.

Yes, because a bar fight between a black guy and a white guy is FAR worse than two whites or two blacks, and deserves extra punishment. :roll:

Please report to Gitmo for waterboarding and re-education classes

A white guy beating up a black guy because he's black is worse than two whites or black and a white getting into a bar fight.

How do you prove if the fight is motivated by race? The easy answer would be racial slurs shouted - but if they are not, there is no proof of a hate crime.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski
Hate Crime Laws are a Good thing. They address issues that need addressing directly.

Yes, because a bar fight between a black guy and a white guy is FAR worse than two whites or two blacks, and deserves extra punishment. :roll:

Negative. A White Guy beating up a Black guy solely because he's Black is another matter entirely though.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski
Hate Crime Laws are a Good thing. They address issues that need addressing directly.

Yes, because a bar fight between a black guy and a white guy is FAR worse than two whites or two blacks, and deserves extra punishment. :roll:

Please report to Gitmo for waterboarding and re-education classes

A white guy beating up a black guy because he's black is worse than two whites or black and a white getting into a bar fight.

How do you prove if the fight is motivated by race? The easy answer would be racial slurs shouted - but if they are not, there is no proof of a hate crime.

Unanimous verdict by a jury, same way we prove every other crime.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski
Hate Crime Laws are a Good thing. They address issues that need addressing directly.

Yes, because a bar fight between a black guy and a white guy is FAR worse than two whites or two blacks, and deserves extra punishment. :roll:

Please report to Gitmo for waterboarding and re-education classes

A white guy beating up a black guy because he's black is worse than two whites or black and a white getting into a bar fight.

And a Black guy beating a White guy because he's white is just as bad and should be considered a hate crime also.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Not the government, but the jury of one's peers. It happens all the time. Ever hear of possession with intent to distribute?

So now the Left likes the drug laws and points to them as shining examples in order to enact more legislation?

When a prosecutor files "hate" charges against you, and tells the media that it was a "hate crime", you are done before you even sit on the stand.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski
Hate Crime Laws are a Good thing. They address issues that need addressing directly.

Yes, because a bar fight between a black guy and a white guy is FAR worse than two whites or two blacks, and deserves extra punishment. :roll:

Please report to Gitmo for waterboarding and re-education classes

A white guy beating up a black guy because he's black is worse than two whites or black and a white getting into a bar fight.

And a Black guy beating a White guy because he's white is just as bad and should be considered a hate crime also.

True.

 

[GeezerMan]

How about a white guy and a black guy beating up a mulatto guy. Oh no! We gonna need a special law for that one.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan
How about a white guy and a black guy beating up a mulatto guy. Oh no! We gonna need a special law for that one.

H0ow abpout me beating you up because you are Handicap,shouldn't that be considered a hate crime? I think it should as it would be more despicable.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski
Hate Crime Laws are a Good thing. They address issues that need addressing directly.

Yes, because a bar fight between a black guy and a white guy is FAR worse than two whites or two blacks, and deserves extra punishment. :roll:

Please report to Gitmo for waterboarding and re-education classes

A white guy beating up a black guy because he's black is worse than two whites or black and a white getting into a bar fight.

And a Black guy beating a White guy because he's white is just as bad and should be considered a hate crime also.

Is the white guy a straight WASP? Because they are not a protected class.