Equal protection victory for Ohio voters

[Jhhnn]

The SCOTUS turned back another dishonest Repub attempt at shaping the vote their way-

The justices rejected a bid by Ohio Republicans to limit the early voting on those days to members of the military. The rebuff came in a one-line order, with no published dissent.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...g-cleared-by-high-court-in-obama-victory.html

No voters are "more equal" than any others...

 

[xBiffx]

Pretty sure mission was accomplished here. No one thought this was going to pass. It was merely a tactic to get people to pay attention this year to the absentee ballots.

No doubt that is going to happen. Probably would have without this dog and pony show but it definitely didn't hurt exposure in this case.

 

[UberNeuman]

Pretty sure mission was accomplished here. No one thought this was going to pass. It was merely a tactic to get people to pay attention this year to the absentee ballots.

No doubt that is going to happen. Probably would have without this dog and pony show but it definitely didn't hurt exposure in this case.

 

[Jhhnn]

Pretty sure mission was accomplished here. No one thought this was going to pass. It was merely a tactic to get people to pay attention this year to the absentee ballots.

No doubt that is going to happen. Probably would have without this dog and pony show but it definitely didn't hurt exposure in this case.

Nice pooh-poohing of the Repub effort, for sure.

"A tactic to get people to pay attention this year to the absentee ballots?" WTF is that supposed to mean, anyway, other than you trying to avoid the point?

 

[xBiffx]

Nice pooh-poohing of the Repub effort, for sure.

"A tactic to get people to pay attention this year to the absentee ballots?" WTF is that supposed to mean, anyway, other than you trying to avoid the point?

There wasn't much of an effort to pooh-pooh, so w/e.

Way to artificially inflate the relevance of this decision. As if its a referendum on Repubs and their quest for fairer voting laws.

 

[Jhhnn]

There wasn't much of an effort to pooh-pooh, so w/e.

Way to artificially inflate the relevance of this decision. As if its a referendum on Repubs and their quest for fairer voting laws.

As if some voters being more equal than others is fairness, at all. As if this wasn't part & parcel of Repub attacks on fairness & decency in voting all across the country.

 

[xBiffx]

As if some voters being more equal than others is fairness, at all. As if this wasn't part & parcel of Repub attacks on fairness & decency in voting all across the country.

More equal. Is that like more dead?

 

[Jhhnn]

More equal. Is that like more dead?

OOOOOhhh! Nice red herring!

It's like more military, like military personnel being granted special voting privileges not enjoyed by other Ohioans.

That special privilege wouldn't have been granted because they tend to vote Republican, would it?

Musta been because Ohio Repubs are oh-so patriotic, huh?

 

[xBiffx]

OOOOOhhh! Nice red herring!

It's like more military, like military personnel being granted special voting privileges not enjoyed by other Ohioans.

That special privilege wouldn't have been granted because they tend to vote Republican, would it?

Musta been because Ohio Repubs are oh-so patriotic, huh?

Perhaps you aren't familiar with UOCAVA. Military personel are already afforded "special voting privileges" not enjoyed by other people. Although I wouldn't say they are privileges as much as protections.

 

[Jhhnn]

Perhaps you aren't familiar with UOCAVA. Military personel are already afforded "special voting privileges" not enjoyed by other people. Although I wouldn't say they are privileges as much as protections.

Which has nothing to do with what Ohio Repubs attempted, but, uhh, nice try.

So if they're already a protected class, why would Ohio Repubs want to make them more special, anyway, if not for ulterior motives? Why should they be able to vote in person in that 3 day period when other Ohioans can't?

And just exactly what about this ruling degraded their rights in any way? It's a victory for them as much as it is for all other Ohioans.

OH, and UOCAVA isn't just about the Military, anyway-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformed_and_Overseas_Citizens_Absentee_Voting_Act

 

[Anarchist420]

It may have been too late and I hope I'm not the first to say that. Even if it's not too late, then human action can turn Democratic voters away and the Republicans are determined to do that. They can and will take back the White House and I'm scared to death of Romney... that asshole makes me want to die, because it's too late for me to plan to get away safely and happily. If he has his statist agents come after me, then I will make sure he actually kills me and doesn't use me as the asset he and TPTB would've wanted me to be.

~90% of my friends who supported Obama in 08 aren't going to vote for him again even if they love him and think he would almost reverse his first term. I never supported him because I knew he wasn't anti-war thanks to Dr. Paul.

Obamadinejahd is down and out... they don't naturally believe the govt protects liberty, they just wanted it for themselves. Romney doesn't know whether he wants the Presidency for himself or for others just like that spineless irrational idiot nick named Bibi. They're why I'm never going to run for office because they helped me realize what I tool I've been. But I'm not going to be a tool anymore though because that's not my purpose... I'll Die and go to Hell instead of being the tool they wanted me to be because I won't more directly destroy after this minute. I know who to listen to.

 

[bfdd]

We need to do away with mail in ballots. They only breed fraud and distrust. Military should be home here protecting us and then they could vote no problems. I also think American's living overseas should come home if they want to vote or shut up they don't live here.

 

[csteggo]

It may have been too late and I hope I'm not the first to say that. Even if it's not too late, then human action can turn Democratic voters away and the Republicans are determined to do that. They can and will take back the White House and I'm scared to death of Romney... that asshole makes me want to die, because it's too late for me to plan to get away safely and happily. If he has his statist agents come after me, then I will make sure he actually kills me and doesn't use me as the asset he and TPTB would've wanted me to be.

~90% of my friends who supported Obama in 08 aren't going to vote for him again even if they love him and think he would almost reverse his first term. I never supported him because I knew he wasn't anti-war thanks to Dr. Paul.

Obamadinejahd is down and out... they don't naturally believe the govt protects liberty, they just wanted it for themselves. Romney doesn't know whether he wants the Presidency for himself or for others just like that spineless irrational idiot nick named Bibi. They're why I'm never going to run for office because they helped me realize what I tool I've been. But I'm not going to be a tool anymore though because that's not my purpose... I'll Die and go to Hell instead of being the tool they wanted me to be because I won't more directly destroy after this minute. I know who to listen to.

I had to read this two or three times. I still cant follow your train of thought. Are you actually trying to make a point other than you are not a fan of either candidate. You could have done that a lot more succinctly.

 

[feralkid]

We need to do away with mail in ballots. They only breed fraud and distrust. Military should be home here protecting us and then they could vote no problems. I also think American's living overseas should come home if they want to vote or shut up they don't live here.

Our military protects us all over the world.
Fortunately, our rights as voting citizens don't end at the border.

 

[Jhhnn]

We need to do away with mail in ballots. They only breed fraud and distrust. Military should be home here protecting us and then they could vote no problems. I also think American's living overseas should come home if they want to vote or shut up they don't live here.

Oregon votes entirely by mail, with an extremely high turnout rate & high confidence level among voters as well. Done well, it's an entirely acceptable way to run an election.

http://democratherald.com/news/opin...cle_a3a58f66-548b-11df-ac8e-001cc4c002e0.html

Oh, wait... it's that high turnout rate that sets Repubs to quivering in their boots, isn't it?

 

[bfdd]

Our military protects us all over the world.
Fortunately, our rights as voting citizens don't end at the border.

They're supposed to protect us here, bring them home.

Oregon votes entirely by mail, with an extremely high turnout rate & high confidence level among voters as well. Done well, it's an entirely acceptable way to run an election.

http://democratherald.com/news/opin...cle_a3a58f66-548b-11df-ac8e-001cc4c002e0.html

Oh, wait... it's that high turnout rate that sets Repubs to quivering in their boots, isn't it?

Republicans abuse absentee ballots and mail in voting more than anyone else. You post one thing good about it and in another thread I posted article after article going back and back and back showing just how abused the system is. You say look to Oregon for a state that does it "right" I say look to Florida for a state that does it "wrong". Every few months there's a vote fraud case in Florida pertaining to absentee or mailed in ballots. You never got back to me in that other thread did you? No, so shut it. You want to or you want your "side" to abuse the same practices you've seen the Republicans(your eneimes) practice. Wah. I want people to vote in person, if you can't make that effort, then well I guess your vote doesn't really matter all that much.

 

[Jhhnn]

They're supposed to protect us here, bring them home.


Republicans abuse absentee ballots and mail in voting more than anyone else. You post one thing good about it and in another thread I posted article after article going back and back and back showing just how abused the system is. You say look to Oregon for a state that does it "right" I say look to Florida for a state that does it "wrong". Every few months there's a vote fraud case in Florida pertaining to absentee or mailed in ballots. You never got back to me in that other thread did you? No, so shut it. You want to or you want your "side" to abuse the same practices you've seen the Republicans(your eneimes) practice. Wah. I want people to vote in person, if you can't make that effort, then well I guess your vote doesn't really matter all that much.

Lemme call that wahmbulance for you... meh, line's busy.

When did Florida do anything particularly well, anyway?

I always love the false attributions as to my motives, combined with whatever song & dance Righties can find to justify squelching turnout.

In general, I believe that the higher the turnout, the better it is for Dems, and for the country. Obviously, then, I'm in favor of any honest means that encourage citizen participation, & increase turnout. If that's vote by mail, early voting, extended hours, whatever, anything that's fair & honest, I'm for it.

If some state govts have trouble getting up to speed with that, it's probably intentional on the part of their "Conservative" leadership-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

I'm also in favor of the national popular vote for the presidency-

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

Too bad it wasn't in force in 2000...

 

[bfdd]

Jhhnn, I have posted countless pieces that link to fraud with absentee and mail in ballots, you post one and say "THIS STATE DOES IT RIGHT LOL" then scoff when I use another State as an example stating they suck at everything. Of course I'm going to assume you're trying to pimp your side and exploit the system to help your side win, it's all you care about. You don't care about anything else, you jump to their defense about everything. I want these systems gone because they have been exploited numerous times by Republicans, so much so that I simply cannot trust them at all. There is no check, no balance to these systems. History has proven them to be faulty, so only those who wish to exploit faulty systems or currently profit from exploited faulty systems will promote them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Jhhnn, I have posted countless pieces that link to fraud with absentee and mail in ballots, you post one and say "THIS STATE DOES IT RIGHT LOL" then scoff when I use another State as an example stating they suck at everything. Of course I'm going to assume you're trying to pimp your side and exploit the system to help your side win, it's all you care about. You don't care about anything else, you jump to their defense about everything. I want these systems gone because they have been exploited numerous times by Republicans, so much so that I simply cannot trust them at all. There is no check, no balance to these systems. History has proven them to be faulty, so only those who wish to exploit faulty systems or currently profit from exploited faulty systems will promote them.

The actual amount of actionable, proveable fraud in absentee voting remains quite low, and isn't something that states couldn't address effectively if they cared to. It in no way justifies the kind of voter suppression that Repubs suggest as necessary.

I am, indeed, a partisan, but that doesn't mean that I advocate dishonest means to win, at all, unlike some of the recent efforts by Repubs nationwide. I think that the greater the turnout, the more likely it is that my side will win, and there's nothing dishonest about that, at all. I'm not afraid to let every citizen vote- I want them to vote, and I'll more easily accept election results as the Will of my fellow Americans with 80%+ turnout than with 60%, zealotry in voting being a primary characteristic of right wing fringewhacks.

 

[sportage]

I guess a poor senior citizen black women without a car casting a vote is considered fraud?

 

[bfdd]

Jhhnn, I do not doubt that with more voter turn out your side will win. I don't really want to hinder voter turn out, I simply think the entire thing has been a facilitated fraud. Especially when it comes to absentee and mail in ballots. You say the fraud doesn't matter, I say one two or three cases is far to many to continue a system. There has been absentee voter fraud in every single major Federal Election for over two decades now. 20+ years and still fraud is taking place, every time someone wants to try and fight fraud, it gets shut down as "hindering voters" so we need to have more stringent voting regulations. Not less accessible, but more accountable.

 

[Farang]

Republicans should really be ashamed of themselves on this one. I can understand a lot of conservative philosophy and respect many of their viewpoints but even if I shared them, no question the attempt to suppress the vote is wrong.

 

[Jhhnn]

Jhhnn, I do not doubt that with more voter turn out your side will win. I don't really want to hinder voter turn out, I simply think the entire thing has been a facilitated fraud. Especially when it comes to absentee and mail in ballots. You say the fraud doesn't matter, I say one two or three cases is far to many to continue a system. There has been absentee voter fraud in every single major Federal Election for over two decades now. 20+ years and still fraud is taking place, every time someone wants to try and fight fraud, it gets shut down as "hindering voters" so we need to have more stringent voting regulations. Not less accessible, but more accountable.

So we should throw out the baby with the bath water, because any fraud is too much fraud... Following that to its inevitable conclusion, we shouldn't have elections at all, because there is always some miniscule amount of fraud. It's unavoidable.

The perfect, in this case, is the enemy of the good, something your remarks exemplify entirely.

I have no problems with honest efforts to prevent electoral fraud of all sorts, it's just that Repub efforts aren't that, at all. They're marching under a false flag.

Ohio Repubs' efforts to unfairly advantage themselves wrt military voters was a whole different kind of fraud, anyway.

 

[cybrsage]

Wow, dems here think the military should not have extra time to get their absentee ballots in. Why is that?

 

[Jhhnn]

Wow, dems here think the military should not have extra time to get their absentee ballots in. Why is that?

Sooo dishonest.

Although they call it absentee voting in Ohio, it's just early voting in person affected by this ruling, not mail in ballots. Military personnel stationed/living in Ohio have the same in person voting opportunities as everybody else under this ruling, which is as it should be.

Equal protection under the law is what the Constitution demands & what the ruling delivers.