Equal Employment Opportunity Quandary

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Lifer
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This came up at work the other day, and I still find it ridiculous.

I work, as a contractor, for T-Mobile in the HR department. When candidates are filling out an application, it is illegal for us to require them to give us data such as race, gender, disability status and veteran status. Well and good. However, on the back end, the government requires us to give them numbers on the diversity of our interviews and hires. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that... whenever someone doesn't fill out that information, or selects "do not wish to disclose", our recruiters are required to go in and guess, even if they've never seen the person. We're prohibited from collecting the data and required to turn it in. I think it's doing an injustice to guess at the race, disability, and veteran status (gender isn't so hard to figure out, usually) of someone. For all that we're a colorblind society, the recruiters I support recieve their bonuses in part based on their percentage of diverse hires (meaning, hires on everyone not a white male).

I dunno, it seems ludicrous to tell corporate America to ignore race, gender, etc and then to require that information from them with threats of many penalties.
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: mfs378
Welcome to mindless government beurocracy.
Point. I should have said that I meant affirmative action in its current form. I say hire the most qualified individual and to hell with the rest.

ZV
 

Vic

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We've had the same requirement in mortgage lending for years. We couldn't ask, they didn't have to tell us, so we had to guess. Now the gov't. just changed it where they still don't have to tell us, but now we HAVE to ask (and still guess). Nice eh?

The reason for this "ludicrousness" is because the gov't. want to keep figures to make sure that everyone has their colorblinders on. The result though, seems to be not always what was intended.
 

LunarRay

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HotChic,
RE: Military Service

May ask:
Questions regarding relevant skills applicant acquired during U.S. military service
Whether applicant received a dishonorable discharge
May NOT ask:
Questions regarding service in a foreign military


A link.. I think it is current..
 

Moonbeam

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Can't you just say your guess is as good as mine, or put Martian or something like that?
 

LunarRay

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Hehehehe,
They really want to know what they ain't allowed to know so when all them reports come out from them BLS surveys WE know they are full of beans..
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Can't you just say your guess is as good as mine, or put Martian or something like that?

We have set fields to pick from. If everyone else wants to guess, that's fine, but I seriously dislike going in there and changing someone's information if they chose not to disclose. To me personally, that's a violation in some way.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: HotChic
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Can't you just say your guess is as good as mine, or put Martian or something like that?

We have set fields to pick from. If everyone else wants to guess, that's fine, but I seriously dislike going in there and changing someone's information if they chose not to disclose. To me personally, that's a violation in some way.

This is a good point, I think.
IF you enter data not elicited from the applicant but, entered it non-the-less one has concluded something that ought not be part of the decision process. If one entered a verboten datum and then subsequent events revealed a promotional failure the employee might argue it was based on erroneous data entered on their personnel files..
The federal data requests are subject to the SOPs that I generated (at my POE) and they go back blank to the extent it is information not provided by the employee that relates to the employee and the limited scope of the interview.
 

AvesPKS

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As opposed to the federal government, where veterans get preferential treatment over non-veterans...
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: AvesPKS
As opposed to the federal government, where veterans get preferential treatment over non-veterans...
Can you give specific examples? Also, any particular fields where the bias in hiring is more prominent?