Epstein case: media referring to girls as 'underage women' instead of calling a spade a spade

[cytg111]

Seems as stupid as 'Undocumented Immigrant'.

Typical hypocrisy from the left.

Way to keep your eyes on the ball there sparky.

 

[cytg111]

I think more appalling is that the prosecutors referred to these kids as prostitutes.

Oh boy ... incoming lawsuit x 1000. Unless said lawyer can prove said girl is a "prostitute", I would wanna take him for everything he got and ever will earn.

 

[ivwshane]

Please give a link. Prostitution is not a federal crime & I have grave doubts that a federal prosecutor from one of the best federal jurisdictions in the country would play into the defense's hands by disparaging the crime victims.

He pleaded guilty in 2008 to procuring a person under 18 for prostitution and felony solicitation of prostitution. Therefore these girls were considered prostitutes. I'd imagine that if they weren't then the charges would have been rape and child abuse/endangerment.

 

[cytg111]

He pleaded guilty in 2008 to procuring a person under 18 for prostitution and felony solicitation of prostitution. Therefore these girls were considered prostitutes. I'd imagine that if they weren't then the charges would have been rape and child abuse/endangerment.

Is that the details that they forgot to inform the victims of? That they were now considered prostitutes? * Batman.

 

[JimKiler]

The media needs to stop using electrocution as well unless someone dies. You do not get electrocuted and survive.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Ironic the same people complaining about not using the term "child" would be falling backwards over themselves to give that "child" completely unfettered access to abortion without the involvement of a grownup. Seems to me that if you don't care if Planned Parenthood doesn't also use the term "child" for the abortions it provides to "underage women" you lose a bit of standing to complain when others also don't use the term child.

#fuckofftroll

 

[Victorian Gray]

Not my fault that your standards are completely situational and for your own convenience and are thus willing to argue the same person is both a child and incapable of sexual consent yet not a child and fully capable of giving consent to abort the product of that sexual conduct.

#fuckofftroll

 

[darkswordsman17]

Its nice to see glenn stand up for all these poor persecuted rapists, including the especially maligned ones that like them young. Which, him being an ardent defender of fetuses, well see there's no inconsistency there, he wants to be sure that he'll be free to rape the fetus while its still inside the mother (he likes them so young he wants them negative aged).

 

[Bitek]

Ironic the same people complaining about not using the term "child" would be falling backwards over themselves to give that "child" completely unfettered access to abortion without the involvement of a grownup. Seems to me that if you don't care if Planned Parenthood doesn't also use the term "child" for the abortions it provides to "underage women" you lose a bit of standing to complain when others also don't use the term child.

So your real concern is with if the poor and desperate 8th graders Trump's buddy picked up from the trailer parks and raped, are properly escorted to the abortion clinic (if they even exist still) by their loving parents to get their rape baby removed from their body?

Clearly the most important item in this story. Clearly nothing could go sideways with that.
Surely no parent ever, upon hearing their kid was raped by a billionaire, would ever try use that for nefarious purposes, such as extorting money.

These caring parents are really in control of their children that are being picked up to go off to a billionaires mansion for massages. They can be totally trusted to do the right thing for their little baby maker.

 

[blackangst1]

Ironic the same people complaining about not using the term "child" would be falling backwards over themselves to give that "child" completely unfettered access to abortion without the involvement of a grownup. Seems to me that if you don't care if Planned Parenthood doesn't also use the term "child" for the abortions it provides to "underage women" you lose a bit of standing to complain when others also don't use the term child.

Yep. And AFAIK abortion is the only medical procedure that does NOT require parental consent.

Anyway, off-topic. Underage is the only important word here. I hope he spills the beans on his visitors. We already know the flight manifests...that was published 10? 15? years ago.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yep. And AFAIK abortion is the only medical procedure that does NOT require parental consent.

Anyway, off-topic. Underage is the only important word here. I hope he spills the beans on his visitors. We already know the flight manifests...that was published 10? 15? years ago.

Depends on your state bro. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minors_and_abortion?wprov=sfla1

 

[blackangst1]

Depends on your state bro. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minors_and_abortion?wprov=sfla1

Are you aware of any state that allows a medical procedure aside from abortion that doesnt require parental consent?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yes also depends on the country. Spain for example has an age of consent of 13. Most, if not all, US states and territories with varying degrees of AOC have age span restriction. Epstein's island, I dont believe, is a US territory, therefore AOC laws state a US citizen can be prosecuted for underage sex abroad if under 18, regardless of AOC of the country, is guilty of sex with a minor.

Ok, you were obviously referring to the USA when you said abortions dont require parental consent. Glad to see you read the wiki, so maybe in the future you won't generalize WRT the states, since they're not all the same.

 

[blackangst1]

Ok, you were obviously referring to the USA when you said abortions dont require parental consent. Glad to see you read the wiki, so maybe in the future you won't generalize WRT the states, since they're not all the same.

Please see my edit. I misread your quote and realized you werent referring to sexual AOC but rather abortion. Ive revised my comment

 

[ch33zw1z]

Are you aware of any state that allows a medical procedure aside from abortion that doesnt require parental consent?

Irrelevant, abortion is a topic to itself since scenarios leading up to it are not likened to other ailments.

 

[blackangst1]

Irrelevant, abortion is a topic to itself since scenarios leading up to it are not likened to other ailments.

Agree. Thus why I said off-topic.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Agree. Thus why I said off-topic.

But what wasn't off your topic was the incorrect information you used.

 

[blackangst1]

But what wasn't off your topic was the incorrect information you used.

But it wasnt. Name a medical procedure aside from abortion that doesnt require parental consent....

 

[ch33zw1z]

But it wasnt. Name a medical procedure aside from abortion that doesnt require parental consent....

Derp. Re read the chain, you're losing it.

 

[glenn1]

So your real concern is with if the poor and desperate 8th graders Trump's buddy picked up from the trailer parks and raped, are properly escorted to the abortion clinic (if they even exist still) by their loving parents to get their rape baby removed from their body?

Clearly the most important item in this story. Clearly nothing could go sideways with that.
Surely no parent ever, upon hearing their kid was raped by a billionaire, would ever try use that for nefarious purposes, such as extorting money.

These caring parents are really in control of their children that are being picked up to go off to a billionaires mansion for massages. They can be totally trusted to do the right thing for their little baby maker.

Problem with your rant is that it sounds like a non-zero amount of the girls involved were actual prostitutes who went along willingly with Epstein and were hardly forced into the activity against their will. The insistence on the use of the word "girl" or "child" is attempting to provide the victims with an excuse for no responsibility in what happened whatsoever that in some cases may not be warranted. Just as you wouldn't call a 17-year old gang member who's already killed several people a "child" because you're attempting to minimize his choices and agency in committing those murders, nor should you here. It doesn't change the guilt of Epstein either way since it seems clear he broke statutory rape laws and attempted to traffic in these people whether you call them "girls" or any other term.

 

[Bitek]

Problem with your rant is that it sounds like a non-zero amount of the girls involved were actual prostitutes who went along willingly with Epstein and were hardly forced into the activity against their will. The insistence on the use of the word "girl" or "child" is attempting to provide the victims with an excuse for no responsibility in what happened whatsoever that in some cases may not be warranted. Just as you wouldn't call a 17-year old gang member who's already killed several people a "child" because you're attempting to minimize his choices and agency in committing those murders, nor should you here. It doesn't change the guilt of Epstein either way since it seems clear he broke statutory rape laws and attempted to traffic in these people whether you call them "girls" or any other term.

Statutory rape laws exist as there is a widespread recognition that the person is a child and incapable of giving consent or is otherwise vulnerable and exploitable by adults.
Thus children, and not fully accountable for their actions.

Where that line is exactly drawn is debatable state to state, but generally 18 is considered legally an adult by many laws.

17 is by all reason (and plenty of examples) an exploited youth and trafficked for sex, especially if the other party is a 60 yo billionaire (rather than a slightly older boyfriend who turned 18.)

Shit, you can even drink until you're 21, so calling a 17yo an accountable prostitute is absurd.

This is clearly on the predatory adult and all those that enabled him.

He specifically created networks of recruiters to target these youth. He used power and money to capture and silence them.

He is every bit as deplorable as Harvey Weinstein, and then so much worse as it's children.

It's every bit as deplorable as Roy Moore, and then so much worse as he had the money and power to pull so many more victims in.

Full stop. Quit trying to blame the victims.