EPA - Threat to American Security

[Victorian Gray]

I take it neither of you care about American energy security, nor the threat it faces from Climate Change policy. Let us be clear, we have people telling us the grid will fail if we see a winter like 2014 again.

My argument is that the policy is wrong, and what the consequences will be.

People like the former tv weatherman whose blog you quote in the original post?

Here's someone, a university prof from Kentucky, who is telling us that aliens walk amongst us (and he's not talking about migrant workers from Mexico).

Wow, so many people telling us so many things...

 

[zinfamous]

More fearmongering. Does the average taxpayer support them killing jobs?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Ahh good to see indigestible spouting more bullshit and useless rhetoric. The EPA is a much needed agency and I'm grateful for the minimal restrictions they enact. I like to drink clean water and breath clean(ish) air whenever possible.

Left to their own devices, corporations would pollute the fuck out of the air and water.

 

[Incorruptible]

Ahh good to see indigestible spouting more bullshit and useless rhetoric. The EPA is a much needed agency and I'm grateful for the minimal restrictions they enact. I like to drink clean water and breath clean(ish) air whenever possible.

Left to their own devices, corporations would pollute the fuck out of the air and water.

It doesn't matter what a worthless lowlife like yourself believes. The EPA kills jobs by targeting the coal industry and a punk like you should be ashamed of yourself. It doesn't matter if you want clean water and air.

http://www.usobserver.com/archive/july-11/epa-abolished.html

 

[Victorian Gray]

It doesn't matter what a worthless lowlife like yourself believes. The EPA kills jobs by targeting the coal industry and a punk like you should be ashamed of yourself. It doesn't matter if you want clean water and air.

bonus points for this one. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[Incorruptible]

bonus points for this one. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Thank you.

 

[zinfamous]

It doesn't matter what a worthless lowlife like yourself believes. The EPA kills jobs by targeting the coal industry and a punk like you should be ashamed of yourself. It doesn't matter if you want clean water and air.

http://www.usobserver.com/archive/july-11/epa-abolished.html

lol. targeting the coal industry, as if coal isn't already long-dying, self-defeating, barely employable sector anyway.

quiz: What's the biggest "Coal state" in the country?

quiz 2: what's the actual percentage of that population within the state employed by "Big Coal?"

http://www.wvpolicy.org/downloads/SWWV2012_091912.pdf

Much talk, much of it very loud, in West Virginia today
centers on mining and natural gas extraction. While many
political leaders attribute coal industry woes to a regulatory
“war on coal,” other factors such as cheap natural gas and
competition from other coal markets are the driving forces,
as we will argue below. Coal employment actually increased
over the last decade, although there are signs of a downturn
at present that is likely to continue. Projections from the
U.S. Energy Information Administration are particularly
grim for southern West Virginia, although northern West
Virginia will likely fare better.
Meanwhile a southern coal bust is accompanied by
a northern gas boom due to Marcellus Shale play.
These shifting tides will provide challenges as well as
opportunities. Rather than grandstanding, state leaders
would do better to help West Virginians plan for an
economic transition for areas of declining employment even
as they must maximize the opportunities and minimize
any damage created in areas of growth. State leaders should
also take the steps necessary to create permanent sources of
wealth from nonrenewable resources.

as to the second question: <5%

boo-fucking-hoo. (Funny thing, that number is far, far, far greater than the actual jobs (~200 full time jobs) a boondoggle like the Keystone lobbiest self-payment plan would create.)

The biggest threat to coal, is coal.

 

[Jhhnn]

In other news, the right wing is trying to take more hostages to their whims.

If we won't let 'em burn all the coal they want, they threaten to leave us to freeze, right?

 

[shira]

The industry has had over 10 years to make changes.

Plus, the chance of another Winter with long spells of record or near-record cold is extremely small. In the unlikely event that such a cold snap occurs again and causes blackouts during the period of transition to NG-powered plants, families at risk can be housed at schools and other public facilities, to keep warm until the danger has passed. Yes, people would be inconvenienced, but no one's life need be endangered.

 

[John Connor]

I fucking hate the EPA! We need to use common sense solutions and we have increased natural gas production like two fold. Enough that we can export to Europe so that shitless fuck Puttin can shove it up his ass. We have an abundince of real energy solutions that are tried and true, yet they (The EPA) will scream global warming/climate change.

Global warming is a cock fucking joke!

Temperatures rise = Global Warming
Temperatures lower = Global Warming
Climate gets wet = Global Warming
Climate gets dry = Global Warming
More hurricanes = Global Warming
Fewer hurricanes = Global Warming
Milder winters = Global Warming
Harsher winters = Global Warming
Hotter summers = Global Warming
Cooler summers = Global Warming
Car breaks down = Global Warming
Cat gets pregnant = Global Warming
...and on and on.

Global Warming (previously known as Global Cooling and occasionally known as Climate Change, Extreme Weather, and other euphemisms) is a religion. And like a religion, it's full of arbitrary, contradictory, self-affirming, shifting, and incoherent claims asserted as unassailable truth (immediately dropped the moment another becomes more advantageous) that literally anything can be true, for any reason, from any person, at any time.

 

[MongGrel]

OMG the EPA is out to kill us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Run to the hills !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxk64kbM30

 

[brycejones]

Why is they EPA bothering the poor coal industry? They should be going after chemtrails and the global warming conspiracy nuts who spread FUD.

 

[brycejones]

bonus points for this one. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

It is above his/her usual level of trolling.

 

[Brainonska511]

I fucking hate the EPA! We need to use common sense solutions and we have increased natural gas production like two fold. Enough that we can export to Europe so that shitless fuck Puttin can shove it up his ass. We have an abundince of real energy solutions that are tried and true, yet they (The EPA) will scream global warming/climate change.

Global warming is a cock fucking joke!

Temperatures rise = Global Warming
Temperatures lower = Global Warming
Climate gets wet = Global Warming
Climate gets dry = Global Warming
More hurricanes = Global Warming
Fewer hurricanes = Global Warming
Milder winters = Global Warming
Harsher winters = Global Warming
Hotter summers = Global Warming
Cooler summers = Global Warming
Car breaks down = Global Warming
Cat gets pregnant = Global Warming
...and on and on.

Global Warming (previously known as Global Cooling and occasionally known as Climate Change, Extreme Weather, and other euphemisms) is a religion. And like a religion, it's full of arbitrary, contradictory, self-affirming, shifting, and incoherent claims asserted as unassailable truth (immediately dropped the moment another becomes more advantageous) that literally anything can be true, for any reason, from any person, at any time.

LOL. That's a funny joke or you're insane.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

It doesn't matter what a worthless lowlife like yourself believes. The EPA kills jobs by targeting the coal industry and a punk like you should be ashamed of yourself. It doesn't matter if you want clean water and air.

http://www.usobserver.com/archive/july-11/epa-abolished.html

troll on, indigestible, troll on. I should be ashamed of myself because I want clean air and clean water, and history has proven that left to their own devices, corporations will pollute the fuck out of environment. HA! I repeat, HA!

You're boring, redundant and everyone, literally everyone here who's been subjected to your idiotic posts knows exactly what you are, a sad little script troll.

 

[Jaskalas]

Ahh good to see indigestible spouting more bullshit and useless rhetoric. The EPA is a much needed agency and I'm grateful for the minimal restrictions they enact. I like to drink clean water and breath clean(ish) air whenever possible.

Left to their own devices, corporations would pollute the fuck out of the air and water.

Don't forget to boil your water during a widespread blackout.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Don't forget to boil your water during a widespread blackout.

I live in a rural area, boiling water occasionally happens. I'd still rather have the EPA around.

 

[Jaskalas]

I live in a rural area, boiling water occasionally happens. I'd still rather have the EPA around.

I'm happy to have them around, but they've gone beyond fighting heavy metals and toxins. CO2 is not our enemy, and I'm concerned about the cost of "fighting" it. Their current mission is not one I can stand behind.

Maybe I'll eat crow in the next couple years, if they keep the grid stable while enacting these regulations. I'd be happy to be wrong about the situation and the risk we face. Hell, if next winter is warm we should do just fine.

I just don't think we should take electricity for granted. It seems too smug to presume we can apply pressure unnecessarily. It just stinks of bad policy.

 

[piasabird]

I think every state should have to create its own electricity. Well, maybe there is a better way. Since wind patterns blow from the west to the east, all the factories and the power plants should be on the east coast that create pollution. This is basically how South Korea managed the placement of their industrial plants.

You might think this is a flawed idea but if you ask the EPA they will tell you that the accumulation of pollution increases as you move from the west to the east because each state makes more pollution. So by placing a large number of extremely large coal fired plants in the state of Texas just compounds the problems as all the pollution is carried east.

Other problems are just over population in some states compared to the northern states like Wyoming. We are overpopulating certain areas like California and Nevada where there is not as much water and the temperatures are hot most of the time. This would be fine if we had better Water Management during the early spring and could store the water for crops or drinking water. Right now even the greater Missouri and Mississippi river valleys are running low on water in the summer.

We really need to reevaluate our use of power.
I think we should start to approach this by looking at our construction techniques to build greener structures that are better insulated and easier to heat and cool. Sometimes we have to admit what we really need is smaller homes and cars. Maybe we need apartment complexes with centralized heating and cooling plants.

Just looking at the power grid dooms us to failure.

 

[piasabird]

One real problem is most power companies and local utilities tend to be against using solar power. We need to look at what is good for the American People as a whole. Wind and Solar will not cure all of our problems but we are nowhere near even 10% of our power coming from renewable energy sources.

My stance on Solar and wind is it reduces pollution in the air and could be used to reduce the load to the power grid. We just have to manage our resources properly. At every step of the way the power companies have tried to block the use of solar power. This is just like how the phone companies blocked usage of phone lines in the early days of the Internet. The business world with its monopolistic power can actually impede progress and the common good.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

One real problem is most power companies and local utilities tend to be against using solar power. We need to look at what is good for the American People as a whole. Wind and Solar will not cure all of our problems but we are nowhere near even 10% of our power coming from renewable energy sources.

My stance on Solar and wind is it reduces pollution in the air and could be used to reduce the load to the power grid. We just have to manage our resources properly. At every step of the way the power companies have tried to block the use of solar power. This is just like how the phone companies blocked usage of phone lines in the early days of the Internet. The business world with its monopolistic power can actually impede progress and the common good.

Are you telling me that my 100% wind plan is a farce due to Reliant Energy being against renewable power???

https://www.reliant.com/en/resident...t-renewables/go-green/renewable-wind-plan.jsp

 

[Incorruptible]

It is above his/her usual level of trolling.

I am not a troll.

Why is they EPA bothering the poor coal industry? They should be going after chemtrails and the global warming conspiracy nuts who spread FUD.

Agree. It's good to see you making sense. The EPA by going after the coal industry is killing jobs and it's pathetic how these morons support them for this.

 

[brycejones]

I am not a troll.

Alleges facts not in evidence

 

[Incorruptible]

Alleges facts not in evidence

Show me the evidence that I am a troll. You don't like me so you call me a troll.

 

[brycejones]

Show me the evidence that I am a troll. You don't like me so you call me a troll.

I'm sorry I don't have time to post your post history in P&N. Feel free to start a thread with a poll and ask P&N if you are viewed as a troll or not and I'm pretty confident you'll get your answer and it won't be the one you like.

Have a nice day.