EPA Strikes Back! - Regulates How You Can Paint Your House

[Patranus]

The regulation, which takes effect next month and could affect millions of U.S. homes, seeks to reduce the amount of lead dust created during home renovations and repairs. Contractors who work in older homes will be required to be***e certified by a government-approved trainer and follow certain precautions, such as covering floors with plastic sheeting and dressing workers in protective clothing.

The National Association of Home Builders says that if the provision is eliminated, the rule will apply to as many as 76 million homes, or roughly 68% of all U.S. homes.

If the lead rule isn't delayed, they say, many contractors will have to turn away business, and customers will hire uncertified contractors. While the regulation doesn't carry any penalties for consumers, contractors who violate it are subject to fines of up to $37,000 per violation per day.

http://online.wsj.***/article/SB10001424052748703409804575143980258038958.html


Must...Protect....Me....From....Myself....

The rule applies to any modification made to applicable structures that disturbs six square feet or more of interior painted surface per room as well as exterior work which disturbs over 20 square feet of painted surface.

http://www.bbb.org/us/article/new-e...-certification-and-training-by-april-22-18585

You realize that 20 square feet is NOTHING......

Understand that after April 22, 2010, federal law will require you to be certified and to use lead-safe work practices. To be***e certified, renovation contractors must submit an application and fee payment to EPA.

http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/renovation.htm#contractors

Well, in second through, we need to charge thousands of dollars worth of new "fees" on small business

 

[shira]

http://online.wsj.***/article/SB10001424052748703409804575143980258038958.html


Must...Protect....Me....From....Myself....


http://www.bbb.org/us/article/new-e...-certification-and-training-by-april-22-18585

You realize that 20 square feet is NOTHING......


http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/renovation.htm#contractors

Well, in second through, we need to charge thousands of dollars worth of new "fees" on small business

Utter fail, from the king of trolls.

This rule was issued on April 22, 2008, and affects renovations of pre-1978 housing only. Contractors have had TWO YEARS to get the simple training required to comply with the rule. From that point on, they need to follow safe-handling practices when they perform renovations on pre-1978 homes.

Here's the actual EPA regulation:

http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-TOX/2008/April/Day-22/t8141.htm

Here's a summary of the timeline that the regulation imposed:

http://www.hud.gov/offices/lead/training/rrp/rrp.cfm

Naturally, Patranus thinks that any regulation to reduce environmental hazards is a bad thing.

 

[umbrella39]

OP please go back to class and stop posting bullshit. You have circled the drain long enough, time to flush.

 

[Patranus]

Utter fail, from the king of trolls.

This rule was issued on April 22, 2008, and affects renovations of pre-1978 housing only. Contractors have had TWO YEARS to get the simple training required to comply with the rule. From that point on, they need to follow safe-handling practices when they perform renovations on pre-1978 homes.

Here's the actual EPA regulation:

http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-TOX/2008/April/Day-22/t8141.htm

Here's a summary of the timeline that the regulation imposed:

http://www.hud.gov/offices/lead/training/rrp/rrp.cfm

Naturally, Patranus thinks that any regulation to reduce environmental hazards is a bad thing.

Incorrect. GWB exempted all situation except for situations involving children and pregnant women.

Pre 1978 homes account for ~70% of ALL HOMES.

 

[Throckmorton]

It takes a special kind of right-wing nutjob to call protecting people from lead poisoning "protecting me from myself". Look man, if you want to expose yourself to lead, go out and buy some fishing tackle, scrape off some lead shavings, and eat them. Uncle Sam isn't stopping you.

 

[Throckmorton]

Oh I get it, you want the free market to sort out whether workers stripping lead paint are given protective clothing and filter masks.

 

[sandorski]

I'm torn. On the one hand it's a Patranus thread, but on the other hand it's April 1st. Which way to go??

 

[HumblePie]

I'm torn. On the one hand it's a Patranus thread, but on the other hand it's April 1st. Which way to go??

good question. I have no idea. I think he's getting his jollies off right now for April 1st. Not that having an excuse for a date has ever stopped him before.

 

[piasabird]

This does not mean that all older houses will have lead paint!

 

[piasabird]

I prepared my federal and state taxes and the only place I still owe more in taxes is in a state I did not live in.

The state of Misery (Missouri). Interesting.

 

[Patranus]

This does not mean that all older houses will have lead paint!

No but you will pay for it regardless.

 

[WHAMPOM]

I'm torn. On the one hand it's a Patranus thread, but on the other hand it's April 1st. Which way to go??

April Fool either way.

 

[MotF Bane]

What the fuck? Troll thread is troll-tastic.

 

[heyheybooboo]

This does not mean that all older houses will have lead paint!

Yup.

But they'll probably have asbestos siding, and a deck built with wood treated with chromium arsenate.








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[werepossum]

Oh I get it, you want the free market to sort out whether workers stripping lead paint are given protective clothing and filter masks.

Because obviously people doing that for a living have no idea of how to properly do it without D.C. leading them by the nose. . .

Perhaps it would be easier for the left to just list the things (thing?) the federal government DOESN'T need to control or provide. It would certainly take less time to read.

 

[shira]

Patranus is also outraged at the EPA's asbestos abatement regulations. Contractors should be free to handle the stuff however they damn please. And if asbestos threads end up blanketing the neighborhood, and you or your kids get mesothelioma 30 years later as a consequence, well it sucks to be you. Free-enterprise America ain't going to molly-coddle fvcking losers like you who can't afford to live in a NEW house in an affluent community that doesn't have to worry about the diseases of the financially challenged.

 

[Pens1566]

By todays new threads, I'm guessing Patrollus is trying to get his title back from Jabber and spidey ...

 

[ElFenix]

Because obviously people doing that for a living have no idea of how to properly do it without D.C. leading them by the nose. . .

Perhaps it would be easier for the left to just list the things (thing?) the federal government DOESN'T need to control or provide. It would certainly take less time to read.

for the moment the contractors were basically already doing these things (so, renovators already were paying for it).

problem is in a few years most people will be saying "lead paint? what's that?"

 

[BoberFett]

The problem is that this is going to raise the cost of renovating old houses significantly. My best friend was just telling me about this as he went through the training recently. The price of installing newer more efficient windows just doubled. So much for encouraging energy savings.

 

[cubby1223]

Patranus is also outraged at the EPA's asbestos abatement regulations. Contractors should be free to handle the stuff however they damn please. And if asbestos threads end up blanketing the neighborhood, and you or your kids get mesothelioma 30 years later as a consequence, well it sucks to be you. Free-enterprise America ain't going to molly-coddle fvcking losers like you who can't afford to live in a NEW house in an affluent community that doesn't have to worry about the diseases of the financially challenged.

And what happens if someone who pays the government for certification, still mishandles asbestos and someone still gets mesothelioma 30 years later?

What's the difference? The only difference is the piece of the payment going to the federal government.

When the government keeps siphoning money away, that's when people are more likely to cut corners to make ends meet.

 

[bfdd]

I'm torn. On the one hand it's a Patranus thread, but on the other hand it's April 1st. Which way to go??

error on the side of caution... it's a Patranus thread.

 

[bfdd]

And what happens if someone who pays the government for certification, still mishandles asbestos and someone still gets mesothelioma 30 years later?

What's the difference? The only difference is the piece of the payment going to the federal government.

When the government keeps siphoning money away, that's when people are more likely to cut corners to make ends meet.

Actually the worst part about this is that it increases the cost of home renovations.

 

[jhbball]

Wow thanks for the update dude.

 

[Harvey]

You realize that 20 square feet is NOTHING......

Sheesh!!! Yet another piece of disingenuous bullshit from Patyouranus.

You realize that the problem is that the paint to cover 20 square feet contains toxic components, and the act of manufacturing the paint it takes to cover your 20 square feet, in as many colors as they make, by as many manufacturers as care to engage in the business of making all those colors of all that paint, amounts to a metric shitload of toxic laden paint.

You realize that all of those manufacturers, manufacturing all of that paint, releas those toxins into the environement, and all of their customers, painting all of their 20 square feet of surface area release yet more of those toxins into the environment.

Of course, you probably don't give a hairy rat's ass that all of those toxins only cause cancer, birth defects, and other horrible diseases, as well as doing physical, neurological and intellectual damaging to children.

Why do you hate children? Why do you hate Americans who only want to maintain and improve their homes and property? :\

Why do you hate the truth?

 

[ShawnD1]

arguably this would help the US paint industry since the Chinese don't know how to make anything capable of passing any kind of safety regulations :awe: