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Envy24 HT-S Sound Card < $28 shipped

If you're having trouble finding the Mad Dog Entertainer 7.1 in stock anywhere, here is the exact same card complete with Wolfson WM8278 24bit stereo DAC:

Formosa21 (Edio21) VIA1721 24bit 7.1 Channel PCI Sound Card - $20.55 plus $6 ~ $8 shipping

Here are some photos I took myself:

Black PCB

I/O Bracket

Due to the SPDIF recording, I think this card beats the Chaintech variant.

Manufacturer website: SC1720

From the Tech Report review:
Mad Dog has an ace up its sleeve in the form of a Wolfson WM8728 DAC, which the card uses to power the rear center speakers in its 7.1-channel output scheme. Unlike the VT1616, the WM8728 supports 24-bit audio at up to 192kHz?a perfect match for the Envy24HT-S's 24-bit/192kHz capabilities.

Normally, I'd get on Mad Dog's case for wasting the Wolfson DAC's 24-bit capabilities on a seldom-used rear center output channel. However, VIA's latest Envy24 drivers let users route stereo audio through the Wolfson DAC instead of the VT1616, unlocking 24-bit stereo playback through the "Alt center" jack (used for channels 7 and 8, whose speakers typically sit directly behind the listener). When the WM8728 is used in this manner, the Entertainer essentially becomes a two-channel sound card. That should be just fine for music playback, where the Wolfson DAC could really shine.

See, I told you it was convoluted. To recap, the Entertainer supports true 24-bit/192KHz audio across not only its digital input and output ports, but also its "Alt center" analog output. The drivers can also re-route stereo output through the "Alt center" jack for 24-bit/192KHz stereo audio. Any questions?
 
Does this one support the bass/treble in the audio properties? My chaintech doesn't support it and it's a feature I want.
 
Originally posted by: EF9
Does this one support the bass/treble in the audio properties? My chaintech doesn't support it and it's a feature I want.
I don't know, haven't installed it yet, but that's what the EQ is for in your audio properties or applications. Instead of a rudimentary Bass and Treble control, you get a multi-band EQ.
 
Hmm, I'm tempted. I have a pair of Klipsch ProMedia 2.1s hooked up to my nVidia Soundstorm onboard audio. Is the Envy worth it?
 
Hmm, I'm tempted. I have a pair of Klipsch ProMedia 2.1s hooked up to my nVidia Soundstorm onboard audio. Is the Envy worth it?
Your SoundStorm is probably output through some crappy Realtek ALC650 codec. The Wolfson 24bit DAC has the following specs:

106dB SNR ?A? weighted @ 48kHz

97dB THD-DAC ~ 192kHz
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Hmm, I'm tempted. I have a pair of Klipsch ProMedia 2.1s hooked up to my nVidia Soundstorm onboard audio. Is the Envy worth it?
Your SoundStorm is probably output through some crappy Realtek ALC650 codec. The Wolfson 24bit DAC has the following specs:

106dB SNR ?A? weighted @ 48kHz

97dB THD-DAC ~ 192kHz

HA HA HA
106dB SNR
HA HA HA
 
Originally posted by: btaki
you Didn't get it, did you !!
I'm laughing at the 106dB SNR, there is no way in hell thing is 106dB !!
and I'm not talking about the specs on the DAC (let's not get into that ), that's irrelevant.
I think you don't get it. You quoted this from tcsenter's post (emphasis mine):

"The Wolfson 24bit DAC has the following specs:

106dB SNR ?A? weighted @ 48kHz

97dB THD-DAC ~ 192kHz"

you made a remark ("HA HA HA..." etc) like you didn't understand what you quoted, and I linked the data sheet where those figures came from. tcsenter said that above, which is absolutely true.
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Hmm, I'm tempted. I have a pair of Klipsch ProMedia 2.1s hooked up to my nVidia Soundstorm onboard audio. Is the Envy worth it?
Your SoundStorm is probably output through some crappy Realtek ALC650 codec. The Wolfson 24bit DAC has the following specs:

106dB SNR ?A? weighted @ 48kHz

97dB THD-DAC ~ 192kHz

That would be incorrect. If he has true Soundstorm audio, the motherboard has a built in hardware audio processor which outputs through optical (no DACs involved) with real-time Dolby encoding. Just FYI. So no, he wouldn't need a new soundcard, as true SoundStorm would be fine.
 
But soundstorm unfortunately is pretty rare. Only a few nforce 2 mobos had it (nforce 1 as well I think). Most didn't.
Sad too, soundstorm is the only consumer solution I know of that real-time encodes in dolby digital allowing you to play ANYTHING (games, music, etc) that is stereo or surround and outputting it through SPDIF or optical in AC3 dolby digital format. I'm still upset at nvidia for not putting that info nforce 4.
 
That would be incorrect. If he has true Soundstorm audio, the motherboard has a built in hardware audio processor which outputs through optical (no DACs involved) with real-time Dolby encoding. Just FYI. So no, he wouldn't need a new soundcard, as true SoundStorm would be fine.
He stated that he was using Klipsch ProMedia 2.1s, which use standard analog miniplug inputs (from the codec).

For digital output, SoundStorm still requires the SPDIF interface/circuitry of a paired codec, like the crappy Realtek ALC650. That was SoundStorm's major short-coming; NVIDIA permitted integrators to use consumer-grade codecs instead of prosumer or audiophile-grade codecs.

But as far as SPDIF is concerned, digital is digital (which wasn't relevant to Klipsch ProMedia 2.1).
 
Originally posted by: Devistater
But soundstorm unfortunately is pretty rare. Only a few nforce 2 mobos had it (nforce 1 as well I think). Most didn't.
Sad too, soundstorm is the only consumer solution I know of that real-time encodes in dolby digital allowing you to play ANYTHING (games, music, etc) that is stereo or surround and outputting it through SPDIF or optical in AC3 dolby digital format. I'm still upset at nvidia for not putting that info nforce 4.


Better look here then...

www.bluegears.com
 
I'm laughing at the 106dB SNR, there is no way in hell thing is 106dB !!
AKM AK4385 24bit 192kHz Stereo DAC
THD+N = -94dB
SNR "A" weighted = 108dB


Analog Devices AD1958 24bit 192kHz Sigma-Delta DAC
THD+N = -96dB
SNR "A" weighted = 108dB


Wolfson WM8740 24bit 192kHz Stereo DAC
THD+N = -104dB
SNR "A" weighted = 117dB
 
Better look here then... www.bluegears.com
That will cost a couple bones, due to the precision analog design. Edio21 plans a CMI8768+ sound card, too.

I have two CMI8768 sound cards that I purchased last week because they were advertised as 8768+ but turned-out to be the regular 8768 that isn't Dolby RTCE certified. Not a big deal, they were cheap enough. I hope CMedia improved the DSP over the CMI8738, it just might bridge that gap between Envy24 and Audigy 2 for gaming performance.

BTW, CMI8768+ is a software-based RTCE.
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Hmm, I'm tempted. I have a pair of Klipsch ProMedia 2.1s hooked up to my nVidia Soundstorm onboard audio. Is the Envy worth it?
Your SoundStorm is probably output through some crappy Realtek ALC650 codec.

True.


The key is he mentioned Soundstorm onboard audio.


90% of people hthat have Soundstorm capable MBs are using the analoge outs, which are indeed NOT soundstorm at all!, but as you said a crappy Realtek codec. You are only using soundstorm if you are using the optical out.

 
Originally posted by: Venomous
Originally posted by: Devistater
But soundstorm unfortunately is pretty rare. Only a few nforce 2 mobos had it (nforce 1 as well I think). Most didn't.
Sad too, soundstorm is the only consumer solution I know of that real-time encodes in dolby digital allowing you to play ANYTHING (games, music, etc) that is stereo or surround and outputting it through SPDIF or optical in AC3 dolby digital format. I'm still upset at nvidia for not putting that info nforce 4.


Better look here then...

www.bluegears.com

Cool. How new is that? It appears to do real time dolby digital encoding as well.

As for cost, its not "a couple bones" as someone else mentioned, its only $100 (even if it was twice as much, I'd still call it a consumer card since many creative cards have gone for 2 hundred).
I like the fact it does the dolby digital in hardware instead of taking up CPU cycles for it.
Here's a review I found:
http://www.nvnews.net/reviews/x-mystique/page_3.shtml

Originally posted by: agent2099
90% of people hthat have Soundstorm capable MBs are using the analoge outs, which are indeed NOT soundstorm at all!, but as you said a crappy Realtek codec. You are only using soundstorm if you are using the optical out.
Surely if you are using AC3 with SPDIF thats using sounstorm as well.

 
Originally posted by: agent2099
90% of people hthat have Soundstorm capable MBs are using the analoge outs, which are indeed NOT soundstorm at all!, but as you said a crappy Realtek codec. You are only using soundstorm if you are using the optical out.

To quote a short-lived sports-talk TV show, "But I, Max, say, 'Wrong, wrong, wrong!'"

Soundstorm is an APU - Audio Processing Unit.
Soundstorm, like a decent hardware sound card, accelerates mixing of multiple "regular" stereo sound streams (i.e. the Windows "Ding" and playing an MP3 simultaneously) without having the CPU mix the sounds together itself.

Soundstorm, like a decent hardware sound card, accelerates rendering of 3D sound streams (i.e. "There's a gunshot that's coming from 30 feet behind me and to the right, out of a garbage container with the following properties...") This provides a major performance boost for gaming, even with modern CPU's.

Soundstorm, unlike MOST other sound cards (the latest from C-Media being one of the exceptions) can then take the 4-channel or 5.1-channel rendered 3d audio, and encode it into a Dolby Digital stream, so it can be passed on to a digital receiver.

So, using analog speakers with an MCP-T southbridge-equipped motherboard, you STILL get the benefit of SoundStorm, as your audio mixing and rendering IS hardware-accelerated. However, coming through the DAC portion of the ALC650, it sounds like crap.

If you listen to music, or pre-processed multichannel audio (I.E. DVD's), the Via Envy card will sound better.

if you play games more than you listen to music, you'll have better quality audio rendering, and far less performance loss from using sound if you stick with the SoundStorm. The Via card can do hardware 2D mixing, but it can't accelerate 3D audio.
 
Originally posted by: ariafrost
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Hmm, I'm tempted. I have a pair of Klipsch ProMedia 2.1s hooked up to my nVidia Soundstorm onboard audio. Is the Envy worth it?
Your SoundStorm is probably output through some crappy Realtek ALC650 codec. The Wolfson 24bit DAC has the following specs:

106dB SNR ?A? weighted @ 48kHz

97dB THD-DAC ~ 192kHz

That would be incorrect. If he has true Soundstorm audio, the motherboard has a built in hardware audio processor which outputs through optical (no DACs involved) with real-time Dolby encoding. Just FYI. So no, he wouldn't need a new soundcard, as true SoundStorm would be fine.

I have an Asus A7N8X Deluxe 2.0, which is a "true" Soundstorm, I believe.
 
I like the fact it does the dolby digital in hardware instead of taking up CPU cycles for it.
The low CPU utilization during DD encoding isn't necessarily indicative of hardware vs. software encoding. CMedia received Dolby certification for the same RTCE software coupled with its CMI9739/A AC'97 codec:
C-Media Announces First Software Implementation of Real-Time Dolby Digital 5.1 Encoder for PCs

Taipei, Taiwan ? January 8, 2003 ? C-Media Electronics, Inc. announced that its latest engineering development, the world?s first software-based real-time Dolby Digital 5.1 encoder for the CMI9739 6CH AC97 CODEC, has obtained a certification from Dolby Laboratories.
It goes on to note this software implementation doesn't require much CPU utilization:
?This real-time implementation of Dolby Digital Encoder technology using software will open new entertainment possibilities to millions of PC users, ? said John Chiang, Deputy Chief Engineer at C-Media. ?This software implementation of the real-time Dolby Digital encoder is so efficient that it takes only 7% of the CPU consumption from a Pentium 4 processor?.
That was P4 processor 2 years ago.
 
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