Environizer Air Purifiers (Similar to Ionic Breeze at Sharper Image)

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DanielNTX

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RadioShack has a line of ionic-type air purifiers made by Honeywell that rival those that sell at the Sharper Image. The Sharper Image models do not have a fans and I don't think they move air as efficiently as these Honeywell models with fans. Also, there's a 5 year warranty with the Honeywell models compared to a 3 year warranty with the Sharper Image models.

Cleaner Air.
The Environizer? by Honeywell cleans the air by positively charging the incoming air. Then the positively charged particles, like pollen and pet dander, attach to the negatively charged rod, "trapping" them. Plus, it cleans the air by reducing cigarette smoke, pet and cooking odors.

Ultra-quiet.
The Environizer? has a whisper-soft fan, so silent you can run it continuously, even at night.

Easy to Clean.
Simply wipe the cleaning rod with a cloth.

Saves Money.
Unlike traditional air cleaners, you'll never have to buy or replace a filter again. The Environizer? runs on only 8 watts of power, costing only cents a day, so it won't cause high electricity bills.

The Large Environizer? is $199.99. It is similar to the Ionic Breeze Quadra Silent Air Purifier sold at Sharper Image for $349.95, but includes a timer and 3 operations speeds.

The Compact Environizer? is $99.99. It compares to the Ionic Breeze Quadra Compact Silent Air Purifier sold at Sharper Image for $249.95.
 

NeXus4400

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I've been in the market for an air purifier. I looked at the Ionic Breeze; I wouldn't pay $350 for something cheaply constructed. I have also read that it makes popping noises when the rods are filled with dust. Can someone tell me if the Honeywell purifiers work effectively? I plan on getting one for my mother who has bad allergies.
 

Miramonti

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go to sams club or cosco and get an air purifier with a hepa filter and carbon prefilter and you'll get much better results for about $100-130. These are helpful but more of a gimmick imo compared to hepa filters.
 

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I have 3 large hepa filter units in my place spreadout, I second that, helps with allergies and asthma.

I got mine at Sears on sale but I am sure you can do better. I think they are all honeywell. Unless you want to listen to the noise of jet engine, build as big as you can afford, so you can run it at the slowest speed but get the most air capacity moved/filteres.
 

Miramonti

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mine's a honeywell 63500 that I got at menards (chicago) on clearance for $80. Its rated for a 20x22' room and can circulate the air 6 times an hour (equivalent). These ionic breezes won't come close to the affectiveness of that. Hepa filters also filter out 99.97% of the particles in the air.
 

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HEPA filters cost a lot and have to be replaced all the time so those types of air cleaners are quite expensive. I have an Ionic Breeze Quadra and it collects lots of dust and doesn't use any filters. I bet those Honeywells circulate air better because they have a fan but I doubt they are silent either. The Ionic Breeze also has three (hi, med, low) setting but it just power cycles rather than actually changing its energy intake.
 

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I have tried both the $99 Environizer and the Sharper Image Compact Quadra ($110 from Sharper Image eBay refurb store) and have to say that I prefer the Quadra. The Quadra actually moves the air more than the Environizer (with fan) when I did a side by side test. The Sharper Image also included an extra collection bar, which I think was a mistake...but a better value for me. :)

But, if you don't want to buy a refurb and don't want to spend $250, in my opinion you definately can't go wrong with the Radio Shack Environizer. ;)

 

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Wasn't there a thread earlier that these Ionic type air filters make people sick. Like it created too much O3 (ozone).

 

spoon805

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I bought the large one this weekend and am still wondering if it was money spent well.

Yeah, the added ozone is a little weird, but just don't point it at you. But I guess you can set it to "LOW" if you want. btw, the power setting, I believe, adjust the level of ionizing, not the fan speed.

I have yet to really test it for a long period of time to see what it collects. I'll get back to you all on this later this week.

If you have any questions about this model before buying it, just post it - I'll try to help you out.
 

spoon805

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One more thing, my friend got it a week before me, and his roommate always cooks. He claims that it really helps the odors. just fyi.
 

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Originally posted by: Staples
HEPA filters cost a lot and have to be replaced all the time so those types of air cleaners are quite expensive. I have an Ionic Breeze Quadra and it collects lots of dust and doesn't use any filters. I bet those Honeywells circulate air better because they have a fan but I doubt they are silent either. The Ionic Breeze also has three (hi, med, low) setting but it just power cycles rather than actually changing its energy intake.

Did you actually read ANY of the consumer reports data on the Ionic breeze before you bought it? Where to start? Maybe with ozone is toxic, or how about people are complaining about them not being as "silent" as they claim to be.
 

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Originally posted by: Staples
HEPA filters cost a lot and have to be replaced all the time so those types of air cleaners are quite expensive. I have an Ionic Breeze Quadra and it collects lots of dust and doesn't use any filters. I bet those Honeywells circulate air better because they have a fan but I doubt they are silent either. The Ionic Breeze also has three (hi, med, low) setting but it just power cycles rather than actually changing its energy intake.


using it now...can't hear it, and its about 5 feet from me

don't get me wrong, I'm still skeptical on this product. I've got 28 more days till my return policy runs out.
 

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Can someone tell me if the ionizers are effective for those that have terrible allergies. I would like to buy an Ionizer because I don't have to purchase new HEPA filters. I also looked at the Blueair 402 Air purifier. I read great reviews on it but I don't want to shell out $400 for it or pay for filters every 6 months. Can someone recommend me an effective purifier that isn't too loud. Price is also important.

-Samuel
 

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Originally posted by: NeXus4400
Can someone tell me if the ionizers are effective for those that have terrible allergies. I would like to buy an Ionizer because I don't have to purchase new HEPA filters. I also looked at the Blueair 402 Air purifier. I read great reviews on it but I don't want to shell out $400 for it or pay for filters every 6 months. Can someone recommend me an effective purifier that isn't too loud. Price is also important. -Samuel
$400 for filters every 6 months?? :confused:

The filter in mine is recommended replaced every 1-3 years. Closer to 1 if someones a heavy smoker in the room.
 

DanielNTX

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I'm going to test it out for a week and see how it works out. So far the jury is still out, but I think it's built better than the Sharper Image Ionic Breeze.
 

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this caused me to do some more research again. Yea i think the sharper image's are way too expensive. I might get one of these from Radio shack, but theres another air ionizer that looks pretty cool. surroundair.com . they look pretty good and their ebay store sells them for $99 i think. What do you guys think about this one?
surround air, or radio shack?
 

NeXus4400

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Originally posted by: jjsole$400 for filters every 6 months?? :confused:

The filter in mine is recommended replaced every 1-3 years. Closer to 1 if someones a heavy smoker in the room.


Actually... The Blueair 402 unit is $400 at achoolallergy. The filter itself costs: $40-50 which should be changed twice a year, so figure $100 per year. This unit is the best of both worlds with an ionizer and HEPA filter. It doesn't cost too much to operate and isn't too loud, that is why I keep comming back to this model.

-Samuel
 

SuperficialRhyme

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If you have a computer in the room you don't want an ionizer. Any unfiltered dust will be charged with static (and there is always SOME dust that gets through) and tends to stick to things... and discharge when it comes in contact with them. You might pay a bit more with HEPA but it's MUCH healthier for your computer. If you absolutely want an Ionizer get one that runs it through the HEPA afterwards - at least that way you've got most of your static problems in the filter instead of in your comp :)
 

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From what I've read, there is no doubt that HEPA filters do a better job of filtering out particles in the air, but they have their drawbacks:

1. most are meant to be run only a couple hours per week.
2. the filters need to be replaced and are often very expensive.
3. they are noisy.


What makes it worse is if you run your HEPA filter all day every day, you should actually replace it 1-2 times per month.


Enter the Ionic breeze:

1. They do not filter as quickly as the HEPA filters
2. They put out Ozone.
3. They are expensive.
4. They are designed to be run all the time.

The cost shouldn't really be an issue, as the filter cost of a HEPA filter will more than cover the difference in price in a short while.


NOTE: I've read the consumer reports study and it's scewed. The study puts the filter in a smoky room and sees how quickly it can clear out the room. The Ionic Breeze is not meant to do this. It's supposed to run all the time so that a room never gets that bad to begin with.

If either filter is run as designed, they are almost identical in overall ability.

It's really a tough choice, but either way you go, be prepared to live with the negatives of either option.


cmbehan
 

DanielNTX

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Ozone protects us from UV rays. Just kidding. Ozone isn't bad unless it's large quantities.

From SurroundAir:
How Ozone Purifies the Air
Ozone oxidizes airborne pollutants, then reverts back to oxygen, transforming polluted air to pure and refreshened air.

Here is how the process works:

Oxygen molecules (O1 and O2) are converted to ozone (O3) by either a high-voltage electrical charge (such as from lightning), or by ultraviolet light (such as from the sun rays).
One oxygen atom (O1) splits off from the ozone molecule, and reacts with other particles when it comes within range of a particle and/or pollutant. Ozone is highly reactive, so it never fails to initiate this reaction with other particles.
As the 2nd most powerful oxidant in existance, the single oxygen atom proceeds to "oxidize" the particle it reacts with. This means it burns the particle, which changes its physical properties. As a result, the particle will no longer be toxic, and will no longer be able to reproduce if it is biological. In other words, the particle becomes completely harmless.
When the single oxygen (O1) molecule oxidizes the particle, it too is destroyed. This leaves behind the O2 it split away from, or pure and clean oxygen.

Effectiveness of Ozone
Effectiveness at Low Levels

In studies conducted at the Academy of Medical Sciences in Russia, Dr. Gubernskii and Dr. Dmitriev found that 0.005 ppm (parts per million) to 0.02 ppm of ozone added to normal indoor air (0 ppm) increased animals' resistance to the cold, to infection, to toxic substances, and to oxygen deprivation. A general increase in the immune "biological potential" and the vital capacity of the lungs was reported.

Dr. Gubernskii and Dr. Dmitriev also performed tests using less than .01 ppm of ozone in an air-conditioned office building, which revealed that "the levels of oxygen in the blood increase relatively quickly and remain at a high level for the duration of the experiment." They also stated that: "Atmospheric ozone has a positive effect on animals and people. It is important to note its positive effect on the breathing system, blood composition, arterial pressure, immune system, general feeling of well-being, and mental and physical work capability. The ozone-ion complex is a necessary component of fresh air that gives it a curative effect."

This same study, featured in the Russian journal Priroda, also reports a decrease in complaints of stuffiness (3.8 times fewer complaints).

Russian scientists performed a study to see how effective ozone was at improving indoor air quality in schools. Respiratory-related illnesses were drastically improved after the ozone systems were installed. The ozone concentration produced by the systems were 0.015 ppm (parts per million).

In testing performed by two scientists by the name of Elford and Van den Ende, it was found that ozone effectively destroyed bacteria at 0.04 ppm.

Many publications have published studies showing the effectiveness of lower concentrations ozone (0.01 to 0.03 ppm) at removing odors and pollutants. Some of these include the Refrigeration Service Engineers Society (RSES), U.S. Air Force technical publications, and Manufacturing Chemist.

Surround Air ionizers produce an ozone concentration of 0.02 ppm to 0.04 ppm.

Effectiveness against Mold

A 1999 study conducted at the University of Minnesota found that both ozonated air and water inactivate mold, rendering the mold cells harmless.

Safetiness of Ozone
Professional Studies

The Refrigeration Service Engineers Society has reported that electric-arc welders exposed to ozone levels of 0.2 to 0.3 ppm (parts per million) for a decade showed no adverse effects. The Surround Air Ionizers produce between 0.02 to 0.04 ppm of ozone.

Also, according to the 1961 Encyclopedia of Chemical Technology, "During the 80-year history of the large scale usage of ozone, there has never been a human death attributed to it." To this day, there has still never been a single human death or incident of harm attributed to ozone.

This despite the fact that ozone was widely used in hospitals during the first half of the 20th century, and is still widely used in European hospitals. In addition, millions of ozone air purification systems are in use worldwide, both commercially and residentially.

By Contrast, well over a million people are hospitalized, and well over 100,000 are killed every year due to medication side effects, according to the FDA.

Ozone is completely safe and effective when occurring within FDA and OSHA standards of 0.05 ppm (parts per million). In healthy and clean outdoor environments, ozone occurs between 0.02 ppm and 0.05 ppm. Ozone has not been found to be harmful to the lungs until occurring at concentrations of 0.1 to 0.2 ppm. However, it is very difficult (if not impossible) to adjust most ozone air purifiers to produce anywhere close to this amount of ozone.
 

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How Ozone Purifies the Air
Ozone oxidizes airborne pollutants, then reverts back to oxygen, transforming polluted air to pure and refreshened air.

Here is how the process works:

Oxygen molecules (O1 and O2) are converted to ozone (O3) by either a high-voltage electrical charge (such as from lightning), or by ultraviolet light (such as from the sun rays).
One oxygen atom (O1) splits off from the ozone molecule, and reacts with other particles when it comes within range of a particle and/or pollutant. Ozone is highly reactive, so it never fails to initiate this reaction with other particles.
As the 2nd most powerful oxidant in existance, the single oxygen atom proceeds to "oxidize" the particle it reacts with. This means it burns the particle, which changes its physical properties. As a result, the particle will no longer be toxic, and will no longer be able to reproduce if it is biological. In other words, the particle becomes completely harmless.
When the single oxygen (O1) molecule oxidizes the particle, it too is destroyed. This leaves behind the O2 it split away from, or pure and clean oxygen.


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I'm a chemistry major and that is definatly not accurate. The oxygen and particle undergo a redox reaction. It DOES change the molecule but does not burn it and does not necessarily make it harmless. The particle would not be reproducing anyway unless it was a bacteria (one oxygen free radical is not going to destroy this) a spore (see bacteria explanation) or a virus (once more, unless you are VERY lucky an oxygen radical is NOT large enough to do anything to a virus, this is just an absurd theory that relies entirely upon luck of it hitting an active part of the virus AND damaging it - very unlikely). Also the Oxygen atom is not destroyed, it will likely react with, bind to, or further undergo more reactions to bond with something - so it's still looking to bond, hopefully not with anything in your DNA ;) (not a likely problem, more of a problem is just that the process they describe is unlikely to work nearly as effectively as it's described.)
 

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I like to join you in cautioning people against these devices. I work as an chemical engineer and ozone is often used to kill stuff (micro-organisms) but large concentration of it can make a person very ill (I haven't heard any death yet)

The so called "science" behind these things are questionable to say the least (I am being VERY nice here). I am not saying that they dont' work but they are FAR from being proven safe and effective. All these "studies" are not worth the paper they are printed on. If you must use one for health reasons, go with HEPA for now till more control study can be carried out.
 

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man.. i want an air purifier so bad for my mom too.. she been coughing non-stop.. i don't know if the purifier will help her out or not

and now i was just checking out my amazon gold box ...


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oh man... i don't know if i should buy it ..
 
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