Entrepreneurs of ATOT: Share your experience with us

iversonyin

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Living in the world of capitalism, opportunities often come and go. Only a handful of us seize and capture those opportunities. For those who started and owned a business before and now. Share your experience with us and inspire others.

Here's couple of questions to start you off:

What business are/were you in?

What motivate you to start your own business?

What was/were at risk?

How much did you sacrifice before you get your business to where you wanted?

Do you love what you do?

How many times did you fail before you succeed?

I think this will be a good thread for information and inspiration for those who are looking to start their own business. Whatever the size your business is, share your experience. If you started a business and it failed, please don't be shy, tell us what happened.

I created this thread because I caught a show on CNBC last night about kids who start and own their own business before 18. I currently have an idea in mind and I would love to hear the stories of those who done it.
:)


EDIT: What is the biggest challenge you face and how did you overcome it? (businesses can never go as smooth as planned, there are always some rough edges to be smoothen out)

And thanks for everyone that had replied so far. I hope more ATOTers will be inspire by this thread. :)
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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I have a few different things I'm doing:

Web hosting - Started this because I didn't like the service being offered by others. The risk was my time, effort, and money - many will argue the financial requirement, but it required a bit of effort on my part. My sleeping patterns changed so I could maintain under a 2 hour response time to all support requests on my own. I couldn't hire my own staff from the start. Whether it will be successful or not will be seen in a few more years, in the third year of operation now, and will hopefully start hiring full time staff in maybe 2-3 years.

I was given a scholarship from the NFIB (http://www.nfib.com/) for entrepreneurship and now may be put in a publication of their's. I have a few other snippets of public release that should hopefully be in line as well, we'll see how it goes. I had a full newspaper article put out by my previous high school, which ended up getting the word out a bit more than I expected. Business is good and I'm spending a bit of time and money into laying foundations for the next 5+ years, I feel there's more potential than people give it sh!t for.

I've been given crap for this on AT ocassionally, but that doesn't stop me, AT'ers find faults in anything. The thing that matters at the end of the day is what has been accomplished and completed - have I delivered a product that my clients like? what can I do to improve the next quarter? will I be ready for growth in 2-3 years?

As a side note, I'm actively involved in the web hosting community, I was a Community Liaison for a while at webhostingtalk.com and am now a Community Guide. The first is a moderator status, the latter is the status of someone who has been around a while that is a step between the community and moderators, as well as someone to guide discussions. This might not seem like much, but there are only a handful of each in a very competetive market, I think it means a good bit to me.

Crystal Red Shrimp - This is a type of shrimp that aquarium hobbyists have been breeding in other countries for quite a while. There *is* a market for it because whenever they come up for sale, they're all sold. Average rates are maybe $6-$10 per piece plus overnight shipping and packaging. I've been running a tank for them to be placed in for almost 3 months and think that it's matured enough to the point where I can get them in. The shipment comes in on Tuesday. More people haven't done this because they require consistently clean water to breed and are very delicate to water parameter changes compared to other invertebraes.

Importing of goods - I'm waiting on a few samples of some products to be shipped over here right now, I've identified a market that the larger businesses may be ignoring. I have family in India, where the products are coming from, and so this makes it easier to get started in.

Aquarium Goods and Products - I've been trying out a few products that have recently entered the US market, mainly from Japan. There is 1 distributor in Texas and I'm hoping to get in on a piece of the action - I'll become a middleman between shops and the distributor. I'm also developing some products of my own that I think may have a market here, the basic idea is to build aquariums to match people's lifestyles. Why would anyone buy it? That will be seen soon enough.

I really think there's a lot things out there to get involved in, at one level just finding niches is all you need to do. Look at the niches that might be popular in countries like Europe and not over here, maybe they need hobbyists and entrepreneurs like ourselves to bring them in? When most people seek advice, they hear people tell them to target niche markets, and then they get quiet... that's because it takes time to identify what you can do and get it going, these things take time. You can't make money from nothing. (nothing implies lack of planning, experimentation, etc.)

For those of you with families in other countries - think of what the people here want, make a list of it. Go down the list and get one of each, then see how hard it is to sell or the best way to sell/market it, try it on a small scale for each and make some graphs of time, money, etc. that were involved.

People are *always* buying things, give them something to buy!

Last thoughts - I recently wrote a paper on this topic, but the fact is the entrepreneurs are the ones that impact a lot of society. Being one is not simply saying that you are, but rather doing the things to make yourself one. When an entrepreneur sees a problem, they find a way to solve it - not lament and weep about it being how society/life is treating you. If there's a rule getting in your way, find a way to make it work. This happens in daily life and most will shrug it off and not think much of it, but over time it all adds up.
 

Alprazolam

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What business are/were you in?
Land Development, and Builder. Family has developed over 200 subdivisions, and also own office buildings in many cities.

What motivate you to start your own business?
Big Profit, and Family. Me and my father are Partners , and my Grandfather (RIP)

What was/were at risk?
Family Name.

How much did you sacrifice before you get your business to where you wanted?
None, was fortunate to have everything laid out for me.

Do you love what you do?
Yes, I get to bring Nice homes to different types of buyers. I love when we acquire the land, then after a while, it becomes a very nice subdivision.
 

iversonyin

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
I have a few different things I'm doing:

Web hosting - Started this because I didn't like the service being offered by others. The risk was my time, effort, and money - many will argue the financial requirement, but it required a bit of effort on my part. My sleeping patterns changed so I could maintain under a 2 hour response time to all support requests on my own. I couldn't hire my own staff from the start. Whether it will be successful or not will be seen in a few more years, in the third year of operation now, and will hopefully start hiring full time staff in maybe 2-3 years.

Did you incur any debt? Line of credit? Or your business doesn't require much cash layout?

I think the toughest part is the beginning. Once the operation run smooth, you can relax and think about growth. Getting all the stuff together in the first place is pain in the arse. Its like putting a big piece of puzzle together. Once you got few big pieces going, you are pretty much set.

Thanks for sharing!

 

iversonyin

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Originally posted by: Alprazolam
What business are/were you in?
Land Development, and Builder. Family has developed over 200 subdivisions, and also own office buildings in many cities.

What motivate you to start your own business?
Big Profit, and Family. Me and my father are Partners , and my Grandfather (RIP)

What was/were at risk?
Family Name.

How much did you sacrifice before you get your business to where you wanted?
None, was fortunate to have everything laid out for me.

Do you love what you do?
Yes, I get to bring Nice homes to different types of buyers. I love when we acquire the land, then after a while, it becomes a very nice subdivision.

Does your company do the organizing (paying contractors)? Or you do everything in house?
 

S Freud

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Well I can' really say too much because I am at ground level of my business start up, I don't really know if you could call it a business but its something. I am starting a site that I think from just judging on AT that might have some need, only cost me the hosting and domain fees so far, and some sleep. I hope that all goes well with it and it turns into what I want. :)

Hopefully we will get a lot of contributors to this thread.:thumbsup:
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
I have a few different things I'm doing:

Web hosting - Started this because I didn't like the service being offered by others. The risk was my time, effort, and money - many will argue the financial requirement, but it required a bit of effort on my part. My sleeping patterns changed so I could maintain under a 2 hour response time to all support requests on my own. I couldn't hire my own staff from the start. Whether it will be successful or not will be seen in a few more years, in the third year of operation now, and will hopefully start hiring full time staff in maybe 2-3 years.

Did you incur any debt? Line of credit? Or your business doesn't require much cash layout?

I think the toughest part is the beginning. Once the operation run smooth, you can relax and think about growth. Getting all the stuff together in the first place is pain in the arse. Its like putting a big piece of puzzle together. Once you got few big pieces going, you are pretty much set.

Thanks for sharing!
I saved up the money I needed and basically made an arrangement with someone that if I needed money, they would be willing to provide it. I had posessions worth the amount of cash that they would be risking, and so I would have had to sell those if it came to that.

The beginning is definitely the hardest - you have to wear 50 different hats and it feels like there's always something else to do, not even getting into the technical side of it. I left the server management to others. Maintaining the same level of quality that you start off with is hard though, and that's why I'm spending a lot of time planning for the future before it turns into an issue. I laid out the business with good principles, now it's time to make foundations for the next 5-10 years.
 

LS20

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iversonyin, you said last year you would have 60k liquid this year. how's that going? :)
 

iversonyin

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Originally posted by: S Freud
Well I can' really say too much because I am at ground level of my business start up, I don't really know if you could call it a business but its something. I am starting a site that I think from just judging on AT that might have some need, only cost me the hosting and domain fees so far, and some sleep. I hope that all goes well with it and it turns into what I want. :)

Hopefully we will get a lot of contributors to this thread.:thumbsup:

yahoo.com/ google.com/ youtube.com...they all started as a website! BEST OF LUCK!
 

iversonyin

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Originally posted by: LS20
iversonyin, you said last year you would have 60k liquid this year. how's that going? :)

Still working on it :)

I might not be 60k liquid depend on how you would look at it. I'm looking to start a business soon, so any liquid asset would turn to cash and get throw into it.

So in that sense, I probably won't be 60k liquid by August. And probably incur a lot of debt. Had I stick with a decent job, it wouldn't be tough to save the salary and actually have $60k liquid asset.
 

HyTekJosh

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
now it's time to make foundations for the next 5-10 years.

Just some general advice...Planning for the future is important but having an exit strategy is also something that should not be overlooked. Certain types of companies, for example restaurants, have a certain life span. Certain industries also have life spans (and that of shared web hosting is not infinite). Its important to take advantage of current profit based on an existing business model and also plan to take advantage of profit based on a sale. I founded a web hosting company six and a half years ago and its going strong, but we are starting to do some industry research to see what we need to do to reposition ourselves to stay on top and understand where the industry is headed (including the remaining life span of the shared hosting market).

edit: to further expand on this topic...I think entrepreneurship is a great thing. I love it. I live and breathe entrepreneurial values. What I think is most important is following your ideas through to fruition. You may have one good idea, but having many is even better. You just need to be skilled enough to balance everything at once and quickly because someone else can think of the same thing and execute right before you reaping the benefits for themselves. I founded my first company in eighth grade and at that time began to work with companies such as Intel. I've made numerous pretty significant contacts all over corporate America and started young. I've worked on many projects through high school and college, starting multiple companies, working for multiple companies, marketing myself as much as possible. You need to know the right people to get ideas off the ground sometimes.

My take on my future now is to build a balanced portfolio of companies. Sure its great having one company but once you get that off the ground and get a feel for the process its even better to delegate (delegating away your company aka baby is tough though...its like getting a babysitter to take care of your baby...you have to have trust and also be willing to give up a bit of your profit) and start building other creations. Of course doing all this while having a full-time job is best because you can maintain security and accumulate potential cash capital from the income. Having had experience in the corporate world (which I plan to remain a part of), I have found that many corporate executives have their day job and also run a company or two on the side.

Entrepreneurship FTW.
 

Slew Foot

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I sell football cards on ebay in my spare time(about an hour a day). Brings in an extra $1000/week :)

Plus its rather fun, for me at least.

Come to think of it, that's less than my pay rate at my real job.



 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: HyTekJosh
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
now it's time to make foundations for the next 5-10 years.
Just some general advice...Planning for the future is important but having an exit strategy is also something that should not be overlooked. Certain types of companies, for example restaurants, have a certain life span. Certain industries also have life spans (and that of shared web hosting is not infinite). Its important to take advantage of current profit based on an existing business model and also plan to take advantage of profit based on a sale. I founded a web hosting company six and a half years ago and its going strong, but we are starting to do some industry research to see what we need to do to reposition ourselves to stay on top and understand where the industry is headed (including the remaining life span of the shared hosting market).
Agreed on this, businesses don't necessarily last forever, even if it just means it changes hands. Part of my goal for a stronger foundation is to change some things would maybe make it more attractive to others incase I ever decide to part with it.

I agree on everything else you said as well, especially the part about maintaining job security while having things going on the side. This can work very well in general, however even more so if you begin to delegate activities involved in the business. You've been at this a bit more and so you speak from more experience, but I do agree that delegating tasks to others is the next step and allows you to focus on expanding and exploring new opportunities.
 

Alprazolam

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Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: Alprazolam
What business are/were you in?
Land Development, and Builder. Family has developed over 200 subdivisions, and also own office buildings in many cities.

What motivate you to start your own business?
Big Profit, and Family. Me and my father are Partners , and my Grandfather (RIP)

What was/were at risk?
Family Name.

How much did you sacrifice before you get your business to where you wanted?
None, was fortunate to have everything laid out for me.

Do you love what you do?
Yes, I get to bring Nice homes to different types of buyers. I love when we acquire the land, then after a while, it becomes a very nice subdivision.

Does your company do the organizing (paying contractors)? Or you do everything in house?

We have our own crews.
 

iversonyin

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Originally posted by: Alprazolam
Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: Alprazolam
What business are/were you in?
Land Development, and Builder. Family has developed over 200 subdivisions, and also own office buildings in many cities.

What motivate you to start your own business?
Big Profit, and Family. Me and my father are Partners , and my Grandfather (RIP)

What was/were at risk?
Family Name.

How much did you sacrifice before you get your business to where you wanted?
None, was fortunate to have everything laid out for me.

Do you love what you do?
Yes, I get to bring Nice homes to different types of buyers. I love when we acquire the land, then after a while, it becomes a very nice subdivision.

Does your company do the organizing (paying contractors)? Or you do everything in house?

We have our own crews.

What do you consider the toughest challenge on maintaining your family business? And how many hours do you have to put in a day? If you can work for a company with twice the current pay, would you do it?
 

Descartes

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What business are/were you in?

Consulting. This typically means business process, project management, software architecture, etc. It could be anything from analyzing a manufacturing environment for inefficiencies and implementing solutions to building an embedded operating system. Our last two major projects were with a big 4 accounting firm (implementing a very large Sarbanes Oxley effort) and redesigning integration systems that you typically see in police vehicles, emergency response vehicles, etc.

What motivate you to start your own business?

For me, it was a natural progression. There comes a time when a company simply can't hold your interest, and the only medium for further expression is your own company.

What was/were at risk?

Honestly, not much. If it didn't work, I still had the ability to consult independently.

How much did you sacrifice before you get your business to where you wanted?

Time, a lot of time. I didn't have to sacrifice a lot financially, because we were billable from day one. I've gone for years at a time where we are all active at least 3500+ hours a year; that's an average of 67 hours a week.

Do you love what you do?

Yes. The work can be a lot of fun, and I work with a dozen or so people that are personal friends. We're like a family, and we have a great time working together. The satisfaction of actually seeing something we labored for long periods of time over is also very satisfying, especially when it involves something actually tangible; for example, some of our embedded work involves robotics and machinery that actually has a visible effect.

How many times did you fail before you succeed?

I've been self-employed for years, but it took the right combination of people to build our company to where it is now. I can't say it ever failed, because I was always generating an income.

Feel free to ask any additional questions if you have them.
 

Alprazolam

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Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: Alprazolam
Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: Alprazolam
What business are/were you in?
Land Development, and Builder. Family has developed over 200 subdivisions, and also own office buildings in many cities.

What motivate you to start your own business?
Big Profit, and Family. Me and my father are Partners , and my Grandfather (RIP)

What was/were at risk?
Family Name.

How much did you sacrifice before you get your business to where you wanted?
None, was fortunate to have everything laid out for me.

Do you love what you do?
Yes, I get to bring Nice homes to different types of buyers. I love when we acquire the land, then after a while, it becomes a very nice subdivision.

Does your company do the organizing (paying contractors)? Or you do everything in house?

We have our own crews.

What do you consider the toughest challenge on maintaining your family business? And how many hours do you have to put in a day? If you can work for a company with twice the current pay, would you do it?


Honestly, toughest part of the day is basically just making sure everything goes well. I wouldn't work anywhere else, because the pay is very very good, lets just say I don't have to work again , and my kids won't have to either when I have them.
 

Azurik

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Originally posted by: iversonyin
Living in the world of capitalism, opportunities often come and go. Only a handful of us seize and capture those opportunities. For those who started and owned a business before and now. Share your experience with us and inspire others.

Here's couple of questions to start you off:

What business are/were you in?

I was (still in a way) in the e-commerce/e-consulting business. It was wildly successful - beyond my dreams at the time. It was a combination of timing, luck and what I would like to believe, a little bit of business acumen.

What motivate you to start your own business?

My parents were entrepreneurs. They escaped the Vietnam war and came to this country with nothing and built a big something. I don't think I realized it when I was a little kid, but growing up with individuals with high energy rubs off on you. I wasn't interested at all in their business, but the soft skills you learned from them running the business was priceless.

I was also really motivated and ambitious, and because of this, I couldn't get excited for the the monkey-see monkey-do jobs you could get at a young age. I love the aspect of acquiring, investing and growing money, and wanted a way to align those interests with a job I could be happy in.


What was/were at risk?

We had to carry credit card balances and pay it off month by month until we had enough float to pay bills when it came in. Juggling debt loads, along with school work and social aspects was a real balancing act. College was really an interesting time.

How much did you sacrifice before you get your business to where you wanted?

In the beginnig things were very chaotic. I skipped a lot of classes for work, neglected my girlfriend a lot while she was over and went out a lot less. As the business got streamlined, things got easier. The toughest part is getting your foot in the door and all the energy you expend in doing that.

You also sacrifice a lot of your innocence at a young age. I am not tryign to say all businesses are corrupt, but there is a lot of political games going on. Building busienss relationships is different than making a friend. There's a lot of necessary BS going on.

Also, while I was very fiscally responsible - the amount of money you acquire at a young age makes you sort of... ungrounded. Money breeds greed because it brings new powers. It's a learning experience, my advice it to try to keep a leveled head. Look into fulfilling your life without so much emphasis on money. You'll be happier in the long run.


Do you love what you do?

Loved it. The last half of college, I was not leading a typical college life. As people were going into debt with school loans and going out even when they couldn't afford too - I paid off all my tuition when it was due and went on crazy spring breaks without breaking the bank.

That wasn't the motivator, but not havign to worry about money was a good relief. Just realizing that you are a legit business and running your own company at that age was a natural high in itself. I thoroughly enjoyed taking charge of my future.


How many times did you fail before you succeed?

I got lucky on the first roll of the dice - even luckier beforehand when Microsoft bought out my website that gave me a good portion of my start-up funds I needed.

What is the biggest challenge you face and how did you overcome it? (businesses can never go as smooth as planned, there are always some rough edges to be smoothen out)

People follow success. They will do the same things you will do, especially if you are open about your business, people will find ways to duplicate what you do. You need to stay ahead of the curve. Don't have one resource/contact/etc. be your life line. Expand to multiple revenue streams so if one dies done, you can still chug along strongly. One needs to realize your goose that lays the golden eggs will eventually die, so... have many gooses (eh, geese).

And thanks for everyone that had replied so far. I hope more ATOTers will be inspire by this thread. :)
 

WildHorse

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Originally posted by: Descartes

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Feel free to ask any additional questions if you have them.
How do you acquire NEW clients (aside from follow-on business from established accounts)?
I'd appreciate it if you'd share a lot about landing NEW clients.

Do you find trade shows effective in getting new clients?

Do you have much work in foreign countries where you're intensely pressured for bribes to win contracts? How do you handle that when competing for contracts against firms from other countries that don?t have US-style prohibitions on that?

Generally, do you mostly work on fact finding & diagnosis, then present clients with solutions they can implement?
Or do you tend more to take on project work pre-defined by clients, so that you end up like a body shop providing surge-need temp help for clients?
Or do you take projects on a firm-fixed price basis?

If you work ffp, then how do you usually handle issues with creeping SOW, where the scope keeps enlarging with no relief in performance schedule or money, while still making your client happy?

Generally how do you bill? Hours on a rate schedule? Any retainer? Bounty on achieved savings?

Generally, what is your overall bill rate for overhead + selling, general & administrative expenses? Does the rate fluctuate a lot?

Do you/did you use SBA loan(s)? How'd that work out for you?

Do you put on people as independent subcontractors to temporarily get specialized help as needed? Do you have many disputes/big issues with subs? Any faithless-employee type issues where subs try to steal your clients? How do you handle that?

Generally what kind of turn-on do you need to start work; detailed written contract that you've negotiated, simple one liner go-ahead from CEO, etc?

Generally do you end up hiring employees from clients, or lose employees who jump ship to clients? :D:gift:
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Descartes

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Feel free to ask any additional questions if you have them.
How do you acquire NEW clients (aside from follow-on business from established accounts)?
I'd appreciate it if you'd share a lot about landing NEW clients.

A variety of mediums:

1) Existing clients. If an existing client is happy with your work, then inevitably they refer you to someone else. It's important to have a good working relationship with those in a position to make decisions. Executive-level people often have executive-level friends, and you'll find that you get referred quite a lot through their network.

2) Business organizations. Most cities have some organization suited for businesses of any size, but they tend to have a focus on small to medium-sized companies. It's a great way to extend your network.

3) Cold calls. I hate to suggest it, but it can sometimes be useful. We will often hear about a company that's looking to start a large project (with a large network, you can find out about literally everything going on in any number of cities), so we'll find out who is the head of the project and get in contact. Sometimes we'll know someone that knows that person, and we might go have a lunch meeting. Simple meetings like this may not immediately lead to opportunities, but almost always do at some point down the road.

Those are probably the three main mediums. We haven't had to fund any marketing campaigns at this point.

Do you find trade shows effective in getting new clients?

No. We're not really the type of company that would benefit from trade shows.

Do you have much work in foreign countries where you're intensely pressured for bribes to win contracts? How do you handle that when competing for contracts against firms from other countries that don?t have US-style prohibitions on that?

Our work for foreign companies is ultimately contracted through a US entity. Large foreign companies very often have additional companies that operate out of the US, so it makes things easier.

Generally, do you mostly work on fact finding & diagnosis, then present clients with solutions they can implement?
Or do you tend more to take on project work pre-defined by clients, so that you end up like a body shop providing surge-need temp help for clients?
Or do you take projects on a firm-fixed price basis?

All of the above. Right now we have active projects that operate under each of the models you have mentioned.

If you work ffp, then how do you usually handle issues with creeping SOW, where the scope keeps enlarging with no relief in performance schedule or money, while still making your client happy?

That's tough, and honestly it depends. We have over a dozen people on a project now that was supposed to be 8 months in duration, but that was 2 years ago. It's not so much a scope creep as it is a reevaluation of the requirements as they emerge. Sometimes clients support such an emergent approach, but a lot of times they don't.

Ultimately, the onus is on us. We have to evaluate the project to determine whether or not a fixed-price is feasible. Often times it isn't, and we simply tell the client that it's not going to be possible. Sometimes only a portion of the project gets pushed to a separate phase that isn't fixed-price, and other times we require a feasibility analysis phase to determine whether or not such a bid is possible. I wish I could express some rule that says, "if the project is this, do this", but really it's more of an intuitive response that you get from past experiences; you get a sense for what will creep and what won't, and you can isolate those known areas to help mitigate any scheduling or budget problems.

Generally how do you bill? Hours on a rate schedule? Any retainer? Bounty on achieved savings?

That too depends :) I know that's a common theme, but it really is. We have our own rate schedules, but sometimes the client dictates them to us as well. They'll send us requisition notices for our people along with the requirements, etc. This is almost like a staff augmentation initiative, and larger companies have such processes because all staffing, be it contract or full-time, is centralized.

Retainers aren't exactly common in our type of business, but we do have them. In some cases, we've designed mission-critical products for companies (e.g. Wal-Mart) that get deployed to offices around the country, and in those cases near-immediate responses are needed. In those cases we will usually have a retainer after the product has been deployed until they build an internal support staff. That's really the only scenario in which we see retainers.

We don't do a lot of bounty type work. We do work on some product development efforts that we see as having potential, but we pick such projects carefully as they can be a large resource drain. We aren't in a position to take significant capital risk, so we have to have a reasonably accurate ROI potential first.

Generally, what is your overall bill rate for overhead + selling, general & administrative expenses? Does the rate fluctuate a lot?

Fortunately, the rates are fairly static. I monitor certain market indicators to determine a floor and ceiling, and in the past 5 years I've only seen that floor increase by ~$5/hour or so. I haven't seen any real effect from outsourcing on the rates. Rates do fluctuate between clients though, so determining the schedules for a client is more about negotiation. A 5 year contract is obviously worth more than a 6 month contract, so we have to assume a lot of flexibility.

Do you/did you use SBA loan(s)? How'd that work out for you?

No loans. Everyone is >= 100% billable, and we (my two partners and I) had enough capital to pursue the various opportunities.

Do you put on people as independent subcontractors to temporarily get specialized help as needed?

Typically not. All of our people have been in the industry for an average of 10 years, so literally everything we need we have covered. We typically don't bid on contracts outside of our skillset, because we find that it's more of a burden than a profit. We also can't guarantee the same quality of service.

Of course, there are times when a client wishes us to pursue something outside of our skillset, and this is usually when it's something that no one else is doing either. A lot of the barcoding-related work we did in the past was new territory for most, so we work with the client to educate our people while still maintaining the same QoS.

Do you have many disputes/big issues with subs? Any faithless-employee type issues where subs try to steal your clients? How do you handle that?

Not yet. We're all like a big family. My two partners are very good friends of mine, and I've worked with the others an average of 3 years. We've traveled frequently together, been through many long hours together, etc. That tends to help build a sense of a respect and loyalty. Couple that with very competitive compensation and nice work environment, and we don't have any issues. I don't anticipate any either, but if someone did have such ambitions I'd sincerely hope they approached us in a professional manner.

Generally what kind of turn-on do you need to start work; detailed written contract that you've negotiated, simple one liner go-ahead from CEO, etc?

Depends :) Most require contracts, and sometimes those contracts take weeks to negotiate (in some cases a lot longer; some government contracts are as long as 500 pages). For existing clients with which we have a trusted working relationship, we'll sometimes start the initial phases without all the formalities. If you've had a client that has paid every invoice on-time for the past 5+ years, then you'll find that both sides tend to be very flexible; you give and you get.

Generally do you end up hiring employees from clients, or lose employees who jump ship to clients? :D:gift:

We've never taken an employee from a client, but we have had an employee or two move to the client. Sometimes people simply want a slower, comfortable 8-5 environment and a lot of our clients can offer that. Most of our people are of similar mind though, and that type of an environment is a bit antithetical to their personalities. It certainly is to mine.

That said, it is something you always have to consider. Finding good people is incredibly difficult, so we tend to try to hang onto them. We do this by paying them more than they'd likely get anywhere else, giving them a flexible work environment, bonus structure/company ownership, etc.

Hope that was somewhat useful. That should give you an idea of how things operate. If you have any questions about any specifics, feel free to ask.
 

SamurAchzar

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Descrates, That was a f-ing gem of a post.

Myself, I just started a consulting business myself, doing Embedded programming and system design.
As luck (or skill :p) would have it, I became the #1 resource around for a certain processor family that's new, expanding and has a bright future - both technologically and commercially.
I built a very good relationship with that vendor local representatives.
I help their Application Engineers to present the solution to the client and get sales, and in return, companies are directed to me when they need outsourcing work on these processors.

For most companies, these processors (ARM9 based) are pretty advanced so they need someone like me, and conveniently, I'm the only one around :D

I try to be as honest and professional as I can. Being a successful contractor is all about your good reputation. Get that, and you're 50% there.
 

fustercluck

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Nice thread, good input folks.

I think entrepreneurship is just something you're born with, passed down through genetics maybe. I am not an entrepreneur, and probably never will be. I am lazy and don't care to work for anything, I don't want to get a crappy job because I know if I put my mind to it, I could make a lot more money on my own. I just choose not to commit to doing anything progresive, and therefore I fail at life :p - Any kind of work just bores the hell out of me, so I just need to find something I truly like doing and somehow get paid for it. I doubt anyone will pay me to play video games though...and I don't mean beta testing, cause that also sounds boring, heh.
 

Mardeth

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Ive wanted to start a business for a long time but havent come up with a idea that i feel would be worth pursuing. the market in Finland just isnt very favorable. I do have one but would be much later on and would require a lot of capital with very low risk.