Entrapment verdict: Canada’s anti-terror strategy found guilty

[master_shake_]

John Nuttall and Amanda Korody were found guilty of a terrorist crime manufactured by the police. That was the conclusion of the B.C. Supreme Court in its Friday decision to toss the prosecution from the courts. Justice Catherine Bruce’s indictment of police conduct was emphatic: “... the world has enough terrorists. We do not need the police to create more out of marginalized people who have neither the capacity nor sufficient motivation to do it themselves.” Mr. Nuttall and Ms. Korody were found guilty last summer of a plot to explode pressure-cooker bombs at the B.C. legislature. This was not, however, a plot that the police disrupted. Instead, RCMP “took two people who held terrorist beliefs but no apparent capacity or means to … carry through with their religiously motivated objective and they … moulded them into people who could, with significant and continuous supervision … by the police, play a small role in a terrorist offence.”
This was unequivocal entrapment – a defence that has never succeeded before in a Canadian terrorism trial.
​ ​The judgment is limited to its particular facts. It is about the police manufacturing a terrorist crime where the accused were isolated and hapless. The police will have more latitude in cases where the suspects are already plotting or when they have terror connections or skills that do not require the police to take them step by “baby step” through a plot.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...terror-strategy-found-guilty/article31213340/

 

[Victorian Gray]

For what it's worth, I thought that it was an appropriate verdict.

 

[master_shake_]

For what it's worth, I thought that it was an appropriate verdict.

i agree.

i can not believe the first conviction stood

 

[Genx87]

This is about every terrorist conviction in the US. The same story. Some idiot an informant rats out to the FBI. Then the FBI contacts the idiot, provides logistics and the idea. Then arrests him when he\she shows up to the manufactured terror plot.

 

[Victorian Gray]

i agree.

i can not believe the first conviction stood

Edit: These two could barely tie their own shoelaces. But, I guess the jury figured that the threat to hijack a nuclear sub seemed legitimate. <sigh>

 

[Pipeline 1010]

This is about every terrorist conviction in the US. The same story. Some idiot an informant rats out to the FBI. Then the FBI contacts the idiot, provides logistics and the idea. Then arrests him when he\she shows up to the manufactured terror plot.

Gotta justify their paychecks.

 

[rommelrommel]

A couple of the cops got their credibility just roasted in the full judgement.

 

[Victorian Gray]

A couple of the cops got their credibility just roasted in the full judgement.

At one point in time there were around 200 people working the case. The money seems to have been pretty good.

RCMP racked up $900,000 in five months on B.C. terrorism case

"Documents obtained by The Canadian Press through a freedom-of-information request show the Mounties paid at least 200 people, mostly police officers, $911,090.54 for overtime work during the investigation, which was code named Project Souvenir."

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...0000-in-five-months-on-bc-terrorism-case.html

 

[stormkroe]

At one point in time there were around 200 people working the case. The money seems to have been pretty good.

RCMP racked up $900,000 in five months on B.C. terrorism case

"Documents obtained by The Canadian Press through a freedom-of-information request show the Mounties paid at least 200 people, mostly police officers, $911,090.54 for overtime work during the investigation, which was code named Project Souvenir."

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...0000-in-five-months-on-bc-terrorism-case.html

This makes me want to not donate to the RCMP. Sigh.

 

[bshole]

From another site:

The judge noted that while the couple does adhere to extremist views that advocate violence to send political messages, police overstepped the bounds of their authority in their interactions with the pair.

IF this couple does engage in a terrorist act in the future that ends in death, I would like to see this judge charged as a terrorist along with the couple. These FUCKERS planted a device that they thought would kill innocent people. That is just about everything I need to know.

 

[Victorian Gray]

From another site:

IF this couple does engage in a terrorist act in the future that ends in death, I would like to see this judge charged as a terrorist along with the couple. These FUCKERS planted a device that they thought would kill innocent people. That is just about everything I need to know.

No it doesn't tell you shit.

Tone down the hysteria and maybe take some time to research this case.

This is the absolute correct decision by the court. If the police hadn't pumped these two up and created pretty much the entire scenario they'd still be in their basement apartment trying to figure out how to tie their shoes.

 

[realibrad]

From another site:

IF this couple does engage in a terrorist act in the future that ends in death, I would like to see this judge charged as a terrorist along with the couple. These FUCKERS planted a device that they thought would kill innocent people. That is just about everything I need to know.

I think these people should be on probation but that is about it. Environment plays a big role in what people are willing to do. When you have hundreds of police guiding you to a goal, it becomes far more likely that something will happen.

 

[bshole]

I think these people should be on probation but that is about it. Environment plays a big role in what people are willing to do. When you have hundreds of police guiding you to a goal, it becomes far more likely that something will happen.

You could have the entire country guiding to me to detonating a terrorist device and all they would get for their efforts would be me turning them into the FBI. I would not surprised in the least to see these two twits engaged in a terrorist attack in the future. The pool of people willing to plant explosive devices to kill the innocent is tiny. One of the requirements of this pool is sociopathy. These amoral monsters are bent.

 

[bshole]

It did not pass my attention that the defendants in this case were WHITE. Perhaps this is an instance of white privilege. I suspect if the defendants were brown, this reversal would never have occurred.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You could have the entire country guiding to me to detonating a terrorist device and all they would get for their efforts would be me turning them into the FBI. I would not surprised in the least to see these two twits engaged in a terrorist attack in the future. The pool of people willing to plant explosive devices to kill the innocent is tiny. One of the requirements of this pool is sociopathy. These amoral monsters are bent.

Your hysteria and ignorance have been noted and dismissed. Worry about the boogeymen under your bed. It will be far more productive.

 

[woolfe9998]

This is about every terrorist conviction in the US. The same story. Some idiot an informant rats out to the FBI. Then the FBI contacts the idiot, provides logistics and the idea. Then arrests him when he\she shows up to the manufactured terror plot.

Every case involving a sting operation is different. Whether or not it's entrapment depends on the ability and willingness of the defendants to carry out a plot on their own. It isn't entrapment just because the police suggest it. This particular case in Canada does indeed sound an awful lot like entrapment. Other cases should be addressed individually.

 

[Victorian Gray]

If anyone cares, here is the actual ruling:

http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/sc/16/14/2016BCSC1404.htm

Interesting reading.

 

[realibrad]

If anyone cares, here is the actual ruling:

http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/sc/16/14/2016BCSC1404.htm

Interesting reading.

A person with mental health issues that was developmentally behind can easily be taken advantage of. Guy knew little to nothing about "Islam" but knew it was associated to terrorism and latched onto it.

The worst part was that the police paid this guy to carry out tasks. Amazing.

 

[Victorian Gray]

A person with mental health issues that was developmentally behind can easily be taken advantage of. Guy knew little to nothing about "Islam" but knew it was associated to terrorism and latched onto it.

The worst part was that the police paid this guy to carry out tasks. Amazing.

No, the worst part is that the police created/promoted this situation in the 1st place.

 

[realibrad]

No, the worst part is that the police created/promoted this situation in the 1st place.

Slow down. I was referring to their tactics in terms of entrapment.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Slow down. I was referring to their tactics in terms of entrapment.

Sorry, I thought it better to take it back to the 1st step.

Everything else aside, it was a good judicial decision that hopefully will teach the RCMP a lesson. Unfortunately it's not an organization that seems all that wiling to learn so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

aside: btw, thanks for indulging my curiosity the other day. It was appreciated.

 

[Zaap]

Every case involving a sting operation is different. Whether or not it's entrapment depends on the ability and willingness of the defendants to carry out a plot on their own. It isn't entrapment just because the police suggest it. This particular case in Canada does indeed sound an awful lot like entrapment. Other cases should be addressed individually.

Totally agree with this.

There are legit sting operations, and it's one of the few law enforcement tactics that's ever going to stop terror and mass murder suspects *before* the fact. (Until such time as crystal balls and minority report gear is perfected.)

This doesn't appear to be a legit one.

 

[realibrad]

Sorry, I thought it better to take it back to the 1st step.

Everything else aside, it was a good judicial decision that hopefully will teach the RCMP a lesson. Unfortunately it's not an organization that seems all that wiling to learn so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

aside: btw, thanks for indulging my curiosity the other day. It was appreciated.

I love information and giving it out is fun too.

I am all for stopping terrorism, but good intentions do not excuse something like this. I would bet that up and down people were trying to be part of stopping terrorism. Its usually a power trip thing and a way to get glory.

All they had to do was watch the guy.