Entering high school - Vo-Tech (IT) vs. normal classes

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Jeraden

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So my son is picking his classes for high school this week. He'll be entering the 9th grade next year. We are having a dilemma on what route to go for high school for him. He's a bright kid, but does not live up to his potential in the slightest as far as schoolwork goes. So he's basically a C student. He does have interest in going to college, for some kind of engineering track, though not sure what yet. Our high school has a STEM program, and there is an engineering track, however, he doesn't qualify to enter it in 9th grade (when it's supposed to start), as he's not in a high enough level Math class. And he's a C student in Math, so I don't think trying to persuade the school to let him bypass the minimum requirements is going to fly.

There is also a vo-tech/trade school in our district. There is an "Information Technology" path there. Based on the description, it's basically for network type stuff, and computer repair. You do get a couple certifications by the end of high school if you stick with it. Here's the official description:
"The Information Technology Essentials program prepares students who are interested in networking and computer diagnostics want to be a part of an industry that never stands still for entry level positions within the information technology field. Beginning with Cisco IT Essentials, PC hardware and software, network operating systems are introduced. Students initially prepare for CompTIA A+ and CompTIA Server+ certifications and then, through the Cisco CCNA Discovery course, students learn networking concepts based on typical networks that one might encounter in a home or small office, or in larger, more complex enterprise models. Finally, students can prepare for the Cisco CCENT and Cisco CCNA certifications."

Based on his current grades, he probably won't be getting into any great colleges, unless he really turns things around. He can still get into something though. I know going the vo-tech/trade school route doesn't eliminate college from his future, but it just makes it a bit more difficult. As there is little room for electives, and I know a lot of colleges require 2 years of a foreign language just for admission, which is difficult (but not impossible) to fit into his schedule.
He initially was all for the trade school, but then when he saw all the electives and classes he could pick throughout high school, now he's not as eager to do it, as he wants to take more of the engineering courses. Though they aren't the type that really have you job-ready when you graduate, just application padding stuff to help you get accepted to colleges.

So anyways, just looking for some opinions from others. Does that IT essentials track seem like something that would be beneficial to go for? Are there viable jobs he'd be able to get right out of high school with those certifications? Or at least be attractive enough on his college applications to still attend if he still wanted to go that route?
 

Carson Dyle

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He's only entering 9th grade and already you're writing him off and assuming he's not going to get into a great college?

Wow.

Nobody _needs_ to attend a great college. Finish high school with C+ average, score well on SATs, attend a good state school. Prosper.
 

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He really needs to turn that C average around in math, or he's going to really struggle in future math courses. When he gets to something like Calc I and Calc II for engineering, he'll end up getting weeded out if he doesn't have a sufficient background. Though, he's only entering 9th grade, so there's plenty of time to turn it around.
 

Jeraden

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He's only entering 9th grade and already you're writing him off and assuming he's not going to get into a great college?

Wow.

Nobody _needs_ to attend a great college. Finish high school with C+ average, score well on SATs, attend a good state school. Prosper.

I'm not writing him off, but I'm being realistic. He's the one that initially wanted to attend the Vo-Tech school. I'm just trying to see if that program is even something that will provide him with a real world benefit for sticking with it. Or if those certifications/experiences aren't going to help getting him a job right out of high school. The colleges he's mentioned wanting to attend (at least at this early point) are never going to accept someone with under a 3.0 average. He has about a 2.2 average right now in 7th/8th grade and I've tried everything under the sun to try to get him to improve his performance. I'm his biggest supporter in the world, and I want him to succeed, and want to make an educated decision with him in which the best path for him is.
 
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kevnich2

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I'm all for the vo-tech route and actually, going this route shouldn't affect his chances of getting into a good college. You need the good electives and what not for padding for the Ivy leagues and what not but being completely realistic, I don't think this is where your son, or you, is aiming.

I went the vocational school route during my Jr and Sr years of High School and those are actually some of my best memories and definitely helped me in my IT career early on. Your son DOES need to turn his grades, especially math around though, in either case. Especially if he's wanting engineering. Engineering is highly oriented around high level math. I would recommend checking out Vocational School and more than likely, the classes he takes there will easily transfer to college. I know mine transferred.
 

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I would see if there is a way to get him up the STEM math level - say by taking a math course over the summer at a community college. The advantage with that is you would have a way to gauge how motivated and capable he is of bringing himself up to the level of math understanding needed to succeed in that direction.
 
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I was a C or D student in Middle School too. I finished high school with a 3.6.

Stuff happens.

Anyway, a voc/tech IT cert program for high school sounds like it would be kinda crappy. Most of that cert mill stuff is big on memorizing The One True (probably Cisco) Test Answers, and doesn't encourage the sorts of creative problem solving adaptability bullcrap that distinguishes a good engineer from some useless tool with a STEM diploma.

IMO, send him to the general purpose high school. If he bombs, two years at a community college will get him more and better IT training than the high school probably would. (Nobody but geek squad would hire a kid that young anyway.) If he pulls his head out of his ass and gets good at school, then he'll be ahead of the game for college prep.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Here's being realistic. Unless you're in the 1%, high school doesn't matter. I'm dead serious. For that matter, unless you're in the 1%, college doesn't matter. Trade/tech schools are a much better investment.
 
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