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Entering a debate and not answering questions

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Hi,

I've been thinking about this for a while but isn't there a rule about entering a thread and bailing? What I mean, if a forum regular gets involved in a thread he/she shouldn't be allow to simply start a conversation or ignore replies to his post.

Thanks.

Moved from P&N
-Schadenfroh(AT Mod)





Since the OP doesn't consider this an issue anymore by his lack of posting, I assume he has his answer


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esquared
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Seriously, I don't believe it should be acceptable to join into an heated discussion and only respond to posts you want and ignore the rest, especially for forum regulars.
 
Tab said:
Seriously, I don't believe it should be acceptable to join into an heated discussion and only respond to posts you want and ignore the rest, especially for forum regulars.
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What if a user has several people in the thread on their ignore list? Do you have an example of this behavior?
 
Tab said:
Seriously, I don't believe it should be acceptable to join into an heated discussion and only respond to posts you want and ignore the rest, especially for forum regulars.
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Participating in any section of these forums has never been compulsory. If it frustrates you, you're taking things personally... and that's never a good idea with stuff like this.
 
Some people may feel that they have spoken their peace.

Other feel that futher discussion is not going to accomplish anything.

And some feel that arguing with an idiot is a losing proposition; they have the experience to wear you down.
 
It would be ridiculous to require that people cannot bail on a thread. Most threads here end with name calling and idiocy. Also, alot of people refuse to acknowledge the simplest points in order to maintain an illusion of "winning" a debate. What is the point of going back and forth and repeating oneself over and over again if the argument is not acknowledged despite there being no reasonable way to counter it? We have a thread going at this moment that reflects the very reason why people should be allowed to bail.
 
jackstar7 said:
It's just unenforceable.
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It's enforceable. EvCForum gives vacations for unresponsiveness.

The problem with applying it to P&N is that there're only maybe three posters there who can address a question straightforwardly. Setting a requirement that posited disproof must be addressed before the claim can continue would remove the opinionated yahoos and effectively set a mental age requirement, leaving it pretty much a ghost town until more smart people started trickling in.
 
spittledip said:
It would be ridiculous to require that people cannot bail on a thread. Most threads here end with name calling and idiocy. Also, alot of people refuse to acknowledge the simplest points in order to maintain an illusion of "winning" a debate. What is the point of going back and forth and repeating oneself over and over again if the argument is not acknowledged despite there being no reasonable way to counter it?
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Everything you describe would be "unresponsiveness."

A: "I believe X"
B: "Well, I don't see how that works. Given that Y and Z are true, unless there's a backdoor avenue that I'm not seeing, they don't seem to allow for X."
A: "Well you're a jerk. X,X,X,X,X,X,X!"

A goes on vacation.

Individual instances of leaving are allowed, but if A habitually does drive-by's with, "X" spam, when X has already been addressed again and again, he goes on vacation.

Something like this is needed if P&N is to ever get out of the gutter.
I've been on forums where I've spend 6 hours constructing a single paragraph in response to a post. In P&N? No way.
Philosopher vs theologian, both sides take points away for evasiveness, so both sides' writing has leverage. In P&N's opinionated yahoo vs yahoo, they give themselves points for doing nothing but muddying the waters. So there's just no percentage in spending time to write well -- it'll just be ignored.
 
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DominionSeraph said:
It's enforceable. EvCForum gives vacations for unresponsiveness.

The problem with applying it to P&N is that there're only maybe three posters there who can address a question straightforwardly. Setting a requirement that posited disproof must be addressed before the claim can continue would remove the opinionated yahoos and effectively set a mental age requirement, leaving it pretty much a ghost town until more smart people started trickling in.
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that is quite possibly the dumbest suggestion i've ever read on the internet. and i've been hanging out here for a long time now.
 
Tab said:
Seriously, I don't believe it should be acceptable to join into an heated discussion and only respond to posts you want and ignore the rest, especially for forum regulars.
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Why not? It is after all a free country. This is a stupid idea. I guess it is from the tread where you felt CAD was ignoring you?

Don't get all ass hurt. It is the Interweb 😉

Feel free to ignore this if you so choose. I promise my feelings will not be hurt.
 
pcgeek11 said:
Why not? It is after all a free country. ...
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Why not? Because that's the single biggest reason (IMO) P&N is such a pointless cesspool. If people were required to actually support and defend their positions, it would quickly cut off the trolls and sock puppets so we could have more productive discussions. As it stands today, there is no real attempt to discuss issues, and no accountability for making astoundingly stupid and dishonest statements. If you get cornered in some piece of BS, just ignore the comment and keep on trollin'.

Pragmatically, I don't think Anandtech has the resources or the passion to moderate for content. It would be a monumental challenge, both in the sheer effort required and in trying to do so in an impartial manner. That's unfortunate but understandable. Still, it gets frustrating when a thread gets off to a good start with interesting discussion, only to be trashed by a predictable handful of idiots who can't contribute anything beyond what might fit on a bumper-sticker.
 
Bowfinger said:
Why not? Because that's the single biggest reason (IMO) P&N is such a pointless cesspool. If people were required to actually support and defend their positions, it would quickly cut off the trolls and sock puppets so we could have more productive discussions. As it stands today, there is no real attempt to discuss issues, and no accountability for making astoundingly stupid and dishonest statements. If you get cornered in some piece of BS, just ignore the comment and keep on trollin'.

Pragmatically, I don't think Anandtech has the resources or the passion to moderate for content. It would be a monumental challenge, both in the sheer effort required and in trying to do so in an impartial manner. That's unfortunate but understandable. Still, it gets frustrating when a thread gets off to a good start with interesting discussion, only to be trashed by a predictable handful of idiots who can't contribute anything beyond what might fit on a bumper-sticker.
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p&n is a cesspool because of the people who post in it. period. that's why we have p&n, to shield the normal people from that mess.
 
Bowfinger said:
Why not? Because that's the single biggest reason (IMO) P&N is such a pointless cesspool. If people were required to actually support and defend their positions, it would quickly cut off the trolls and sock puppets so we could have more productive discussions.
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that`s not true at all....
In order to enforce something like that the moderators would all of a sudden have to decide whether a link posted in support of an issue has merit..is unbiased...etc...
It`s a no win proposition.

The interesting thing about P&N is anybody if they try hard enough can find a link or even a link to a blog that supports their stance or opinion on an issue.

Then it makes the mods job more work than it is worth.....IMO...
 
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