Enough is Enough

[Gamingphreek]

Mods you have locked that thread two times already. Then Duvie goes and posts a third. Fine let him get in trouble they weren't really flaming yet. Then the flames just picked back up. There is nothing more to talk about on this subject!! THere have been multiple reviews, and every single person knows what has happened now.

Im tired of people "policing" around the video forum trying to "play" moderator. For example in that thread alone without Rollo even posting people start flaming him. There is no sense in keeping this thread open.

I would like to request a lock for the thread, and a strong PM sent to Duvie for continuing to post this crap and flame.

-Kevin

 

[SickBeast]

I'm going to try to stay out of this as best I can.

I will say this: both Rollo and Duvie are outstanding members of the AT community.

My suggestion would be to keep the ad-homs to PM's. It's sorta like a public spat with your girlfriend in a mall; you should typically try to avoid such things.

People need to understand that other members are the way they are and there is no way to change them. :light:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Nice post Sickbeast. Love the analogy lol.

However that thread is going no where and is just proving to be a constant problem. It would be 100% if it were locked, there is nothing left to discuss on that subject.

-Kevin

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I'm going to try to stay out of this as best I can.

I will say this: both Rollo and Duvie are outstanding members of the AT community.

My suggestion would be to keep the ad-homs to PM's. It's sorta like a public spat with your girlfriend in a mall; you should typically try to avoid such things.

People need to understand that other members are the way they are and there is no way to change them. :light:

Thanks Sickbeast, kind of you to say.

Thank you as well Kevin, I appreciate your support in the PVP threads.

Now, as for that evil Duvie.....

Actually the only thing I remember about Duvie prior to his rather ballsy "Rollo, stay the F*** out" thread was being impressed with his "I converted a 5800NU into a Quadro FX1000" thread. It was pretty ingenious.

 

[THUGSROOK]

the thread needs to be locked.

Duvie was a little late to the game this time around. i can assure you he didnt mean to rehash an old flamefest. im sure he honestly meant to just plain get good posted info on the subject, but obviously that was impossible w/o a flamefest.

:beer:

 

[gsellis]

Duvie does not need a PM or a vacation. The thread would be useful if the fanboys (and I mean both ATI and nVidia fanboys) could control themselves. Considering the nature of the AT forums, that is not likely.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Mods you have locked that thread two times already. Then Duvie goes and posts a third. Fine let him get in trouble they weren't really flaming yet. Then the flames just picked back up. There is nothing more to talk about on this subject!! THere have been multiple reviews, and every single person knows what has happened now.

Im tired of people "policing" around the video forum trying to "play" moderator. For example in that thread alone without Rollo even posting people start flaming him. There is no sense in keeping this thread open.

I would like to request a lock for the thread, and a strong PM sent to Duvie for continuing to post this crap and flame.

-Kevin

This is a subjective view of that thread, at best. Before anyone gets a PM, vacation or ban I would suggest an active reading of the thread with an eye towards just who is causing problems. Maybe it's different online, but people tend to get mad, and stay mad for extended periods, when they feel they've been cheated or taken advantage of. What isn't normal, at least not in my real-world experience, is for others to jump in and act as protector?s and\or boosters for those who've perpetrated the real\perceived cheating.

By all means, if this thread being open is an inordinate drain on bandwidth, shut it down. But considering some of the other things I see as far as thread content, and that includes some fairly intensive flaming that goes on more than a little while, I'd wonder about THIS reason being a viable excuse. But to kill it because it offends some poster or another, regardless of their status\post count\perceived value, would be just wrong. As mentioned by many posters in the thread itself, we all have to option not click on something that we see as personally upsetting.

 

[rbV5]

There is nothing more to talk about on this subject!!

Since there are still unresolved issues with both the NV40 implementation (mostly borked) and the newer GPU's (most features are yet to be implemented), there is plenty of discussion left on the subject. The problem is that the actual topic itself is rarely discussed in the threads.

If the folks that are so convinced that there is nothing to discuss, and those who feel the need to defend Nvidia but have little understanding or could care less about the issue would simply stay out of the threads, a real discussion could actually take place. Most of the posters in the threads couldn't describe what the PVP and purevideo even do.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: rbV5

There is nothing more to talk about on this subject!!

Since there are still unresolved issues with both the NV40 implementation (mostly borked) and the newer GPU's (most features are yet to be implemented), there is plenty of discussion left on the subject. The problem is that the actual topic itself is rarely discussed in the threads.

If the folks that are so convinced that there is nothing to discuss, and those who feel the need to defend Nvidia but have little understanding or could care less about the issue would simply stay out of the threads, a real discussion could actually take place. Most of the posters in the threads couldn't describe what the PVP and purevideo even do.

Amen. If the people who don't care about PVP would stop stirring up trouble with inflammatory posts, then the thread could settle down into three camps:

1 - People who simply want to rant about the situation. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Some people simply want to vent their frustration.

2 - People who are familiar with the subject and are looking for new info.

3 - People who haven't read the previous two threads and are just discovering their hardware doesn't work as advertised.


But the topic keeps getting taken OT by a few rabid Nvidia supporters who can't seem to stand watching their beloved company talked about unfavorably.



Gamingphreak - Somehow you managed to include both:

Im tired of people "policing" around the video forum trying to "play" moderator.

and

I would like to request a lock for the thread, and a strong PM sent to Duvie

in the same thread. Aren't you now trying to "police" the video forum by requesting a lock? If you don't like the thread, then wouldn't staying away from it be the obvious solution?

 

[HardWarrior]

Again, if a moderator wants to see exactly who's bloating the thread in question all they have to do is look at it. In fact there's a fresh batch of thread-crapping for all to see this moment. I'm all for freedom of speech, don't get me wrong, but when it takes the form of high-handed ridicule and insults for the sake of being insulting that freedom turns into something very different.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: rbV5

There is nothing more to talk about on this subject!!

Since there are still unresolved issues with both the NV40 implementation (mostly borked) and the newer GPU's (most features are yet to be implemented), there is plenty of discussion left on the subject. The problem is that the actual topic itself is rarely discussed in the threads.

If the folks that are so convinced that there is nothing to discuss, and those who feel the need to defend Nvidia but have little understanding or could care less about the issue would simply stay out of the threads, a real discussion could actually take place. Most of the posters in the threads couldn't describe what the PVP and purevideo even do.

Amen. If the people who don't care about PVP would stop stirring up trouble with inflammatory posts, then the thread could settle down into three camps:

1 - People who simply want to rant about the situation. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Some people simply want to vent their frustration.

2 - People who are familiar with the subject and are looking for new info.

3 - People who haven't read the previous two threads and are just discovering their hardware doesn't work as advertised.


But the topic keeps getting taken OT by a few rabid Nvidia supporters who can't seem to stand watching their beloved company talked about unfavorably.



Gamingphreak - Somehow you managed to include both:

Im tired of people "policing" around the video forum trying to "play" moderator.

and

I would like to request a lock for the thread, and a strong PM sent to Duvie

in the same thread. Aren't you now trying to "police" the video forum by requesting a lock? If you don't like the thread, then wouldn't staying away from it be the obvious solution?

No policing is telling people to stop. All i did was request a lock. Nothing more, no more "moderator-ish" than anyone else in this forum.

THere isn't anything to discuss in the thread. Everyone knows it, it doesn't work there seems to be a H/W problem, and Nvidia isn't doing anything about it. If they have any questions then simply ask, we dont need a huge thread for stuff that has been covered over and over and over again.

-Kevin

 

[HardWarrior]

"We don't need another huge thread?? And you're not trying to "police" anything that isn?t bolted down? Also, I still haven't seen an acknowledgement on your part that ANYONE can have a contrary opinion to yours. This speaks of an even greater sense of entitlement.

I REALLY would like to see a mods perspective on this. The self-styled Elite Posters Club is wearing thin.

 

[rbV5]

THere isn't anything to discuss in the thread. Everyone knows it, it doesn't work there seems to be a H/W problem, and Nvidia isn't doing anything about it. If they have any questions then simply ask, we dont need a huge thread for stuff that has been covered over and over and over again.

Kevin, the thread concerns GeForce 6 series PVP. This includes at least 3 different levels of functionality:

* all 6800 AGP cards and 6800 PCIe 6800GT and Ultra variants
*all other 6800 cards as well as 62xx/66xx.
*mobile Go6800 cards

Also consider:

*There are several posters recommending 6600 cards to get the "real deal" when, the fact is AFAIK, they have no more enabled functionality than the borked 6800 cards. I suppose now we are to take Nvidias word that they will work eventually?

*Nvidia continues to blur the feature set differences between the different cards. Their web site says one thing, Nvidias engineers claim nothing is broken in recent interviews.

*They are still claiming that the chip itself is programmable and will support current codecs and future codecs. They don't differentiate which chip they are talking about, or when/how this is going to happen. Will this mean users will have to buy software decoders to enable PVP for each different format? Are they working on any now?

*My AIW radeon supports at least some of the same hardware acceleration features that my 6800 card using NV DVD decoders with similar CPU use between the cards (my eyes say that the 6800 produces better MPEG IQ, and my AIW 9700 is damn good), does that mean that the 6800 is using the shader pipeline for most of the MPEG features like ATI...or?

*Hardware encoding?

*Is Nvidia going to licence purevideo, or are we stuck with MCE, WMP10 or theatertek for video playback?

*Issues with multichannel audio using Nvidia decoders?

There's a starter, Maybe you could answer some my questions and then I'll decide if you are in any position to judge whether there is nothing to discuss or not.

 

[Duvie]

THere isn't anything to discuss in the thread. Everyone knows it, it doesn't work there seems to be a H/W problem, and Nvidia isn't doing anything about it. If they have any questions then simply ask, we dont need a huge thread for stuff that has been covered over and over and over again.

Unfrotunately this is the attitude of the few that have hijacked the thread....

If it is true the thread will die on its own....If it is not then why does it bother you so???

Police the ones who are, if you want to get technical "violating forum rules", thread crapping...that is what it is no matter how you want to look at it....

If they dont like the topic dont participate. When the thread crapping stopped for about 24 hours that topic got buried 4-5 pages down...And then!!! It was resurrected by the thread crapping crowd....Almost like some form of self-mutilation by the thread crappers!!!


LET US DECIDE WHAT IS OR IS NOT THE TRUTH, A WORTHWHILE THREAD, OR THE INEVITABLE CONCLUSION!!!!!

MOds please go into the thread and see the real story and delve out some PM to the real culrpits of this fiasco....As you will see I dont even post in there cause I wanted the thread to move away from the attacks on me and maybe focus on the topic..It didn't happen ofcourse, but I feel the thread was worthwhile cause I have had numerous PMs with ppl over the topic where some things have been REALLY discussed.....