English only at Philly cheesesteak joint

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PHILADELPHIA - Bistec con queso? Not at Geno's Steaks.

An English-only ordering policy has thrust one of Philadelphia's best-known cheesesteak joints into the national immigration debate.

Situated in a South Philadelphia immigrant neighborhood, Geno's ? which together with its chief rival, Pat's King of Steaks, forms the epicenter of an area described as "ground zero for cheesesteaks" ? has posted small signs telling customers, "This Is AMERICA: WHEN ORDERING `SPEAK ENGLISH.'"

"They don't know how lucky they are. All we're asking them to do is learn the English language," said Geno's owner Joseph Vento, 66. "We're out to help these people, but they've got to help themselves, too."

Vento, whose grandparents struggled to learn English after immigrating from Sicily in the 1920s, said he posted the sign about six months ago amid concerns over immigration reform and the increasing number of customers who could not order in English when they wanted Philly's gooey, greasy specialty ? fried steak, sliced or chopped, in a long roll, with cheese and fried onions.

Of course, it's not as if native Philadelphians speak the King's English either. A Philadelphian might order a cheesesteak by saying something like, "Yo, gimme a cheesesteak wit, will youse?" ("Wit," or "with," means with fried onions.) To which the counterman might reply: "Youse want fries widdat?"

The traditionally Italian community near Geno's has become more diverse over the decades. Immigrants from Asia and Latin America have moved in, joining longtime residents and young professionals seeking reasonably priced rowhouses. In the past 10 years, an estimated 15,000 to 20,000 Mexican immigrants ? many of them here illegally, community leaders say ? have settled in South Philly.

Vento said his staff is glad to help non-native speakers order in English and has never turned someone away because of a language barrier.

But the policy has "really upset a lot of a people," said Brad Baldia of Day Without An Immigrant, a coalition of immigrant groups. "For some people, I think we're just going to say, `Le gusta Pat's.'"

Juntos, a Hispanic neighborhood organization, said it plans to send people to Geno's to try to order in Spanish and may pursue court action, depending on what happens.

"His grandparents encountered the same racism and the same xenophobia," said Peter Bloom, the group's director. "Why would he begin that process over again?"

Vento said he has gotten plenty of criticism and threats. One person told him they hoped one his many neon signs flames out and burns the place down, he said. But he said he plans to hold his ground.

Customers placing orders on a recent morning seemed unfazed.

Angelica Marquez, 22 and originally from Puerto Rico, ordered in well-spoken English, but said some of her relatives struggle with the language. "They always come and just say `cheesesteak,'" Marquez said, adding that the policy "bothers her some" but not enough to keep her away.

When a non-English speaking customer showed up at the window a short time later, a clerk patiently coached him through the process. Eventually, both said "cheesesteak."

Vento, a short, fiery man with a ninth-grade education, arms covered in tattoos and a large diamond ring in his ear, also sells "freedom fries" to protest France's opposition to the
Iraq war. He rails against Mumia Abu-Jamal, the black man who was convicted of killing police Officer Daniel Faulkner in 1981 and has become a cause celebre among some death penalty opponents. Memorials to Faulkner are posted at his shop.

Those who market the city, often using images of Geno's and other famous steak shops, are watching with concern.

"I certainly wouldn't want a national audience to think it represented all of the wonderful cheesesteak makers in the whole city," said Meryl Levitz, president and chief executive of the Greater Philadelphia Tourism Marketing Corp. "This isn't representative of the Philadelphia attitude."

Competitors are seizing on the controversy.

Tony Luke's issued a statement saying it welcomes all customers "whether or not they speak a `wit' of English."

And a manager at Pat's, Kathy Smith, said of Geno's English-only policy: "That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life. I'd rather listen to the Spanish than the foul language of the college students."


Good job by Mr Geno and his restaurant. It's ridiculous how out of control our nation has gotten when people can threaten legal action over the use of our national language.
 

amish

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<soup nazi>NO STEAK FOR YOU!!!!</soup nazi>

edit: on a serious note, as the article pointed out, philly's engrish isn't the greatest. dats right youse f'n stillers fans.
 

Tom

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"This isn't representative of the Philadelphia attitude."

LOL. So what is the Philadelphia attitude ?


 

amish

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Originally posted by: Tom
"This isn't representative of the Philadelphia attitude."

LOL. So what is the Philadelphia attitude ?

isn't it supposed to be the city of brotherly love?
 

Todd33

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How could they order in spanish in the first place? The employees speak spanish? Sounds like a stunt to me.

Edit: How many Mexicans go into a cheese steak shop and cannot say cheese steak? Sound more like a guy who doesn't want to serve Mexicans, but that's illegal.
 

shortylickens

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Fine by me.
Makes me mad that every other race had to learn english when they came here, but for some reason mexicans think they're special.

Heck, in Canada you would need to learn two new languages if you wanted to get by.
Thats one possible reason why the border jumpers dont venture too far north.
 

feralkid

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Great idea; so tourists from Germany or Switzerland or Japan can't order at his restaurant unless they learn English first.

Absolute Moron.
 

shortylickens

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Great idea; so tourists from Germany or Switzerland or Japan can't order at his restaurant unless they learn English first.
Absolute Moron.
Tourists have just as much trouble as the illegals. No more. No less.
At least a tourist has the decency to acknowledge they are in a country with a language different from their own and bring a book.
They dont form hate groups and special action coalitions to make the local citizens ashamed of their own heritage.

And I've been to Germany. And Japan. And Iceland and Scotland and Italy and Spain and Greece and Isreal and one thing holds true in all of them. You will be welcomed a thousand times more warmly if you make the effort to learn the local language. (Incidentally, speaking Gaelic can help you get cute Scottish chicks.)

Also, those people are much less likely to insult your intelligence simply because they disagree with you.
You would know that if you werent so horribly ignorant, Absolute bitch.

 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: feralkid
Great idea; so tourists from Germany or Switzerland or Japan can't order at his restaurant unless they learn English first.
Absolute Moron.
Tourists have just as much trouble as the illegals. No more. No less.
At least a tourist has the decency to acknowledge they are in a country with a language different from their own and bring a book.
They dont form hate groups and special action coalitions to make the local citizens ashamed of their own heritage.

And I've been to Germany. And Japan. And Iceland and Scotland and Italy and Spain and Greece and Isreal and one thing holds true in all of them. You will be welcomed a thousand times more warmly if you make the effort to learn the local language. (Incidentally, speaking Gaelic can help you get cute Scottish chicks.)

Also, those people are much less likely to insult your intelligence simply because they disagree with you.
You would know that if you werent so horribly ignorant, Absolute bitch.

That's my point, Einstein...why, as a businessman, make it difficult for your customers?

Pretty moronic business plan.



But seriously, what is the point of your hateful drivel?

You've travelled, hate hispanics, and have tried to pick up Gaelic speaking girls?

Good for you.

:cookie:

 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Great idea; so tourists from Germany or Switzerland or Japan can't order at his restaurant unless they learn English first.

Absolute Moron.

That and the freedom fries means I won't be stopping by there anytime soon. Pats steaks are just as good - and he has tables & chairs.


 

RichardE

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Next up, Whites who speak English only.




And I would still support a businesss's right to choose who they serve.
 

Commish

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Originally posted by: Tom
"This isn't representative of the Philadelphia attitude."

LOL. So what is the Philadelphia attitude ?

Let's see.... They booed Santa Claus when he parachuted into Vets Stadium, and, oh yeah, they cheered when Michael Irvin had a career ending spine injury. All class, baby.


 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: amish
<soup nazi>NO STEAK FOR YOU!!!!</soup nazi>

edit: on a serious note, as the article pointed out, philly's engrish isn't the greatest. dats right youse f'n stillers fans.

pwnt... i hate philly kids...
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Tom
"This isn't representative of the Philadelphia attitude."

LOL. So what is the Philadelphia attitude ?

who cares if its represeantative or not...this is america...these immigrants all speak english!
I do not think its at all unreasonable fopr them to expect others to speak english!

Good for them!! Has nothing to do with being Nazi!

I have traveled in many many foreign country where if you didnt speak the language you were SOL!!

 

Steeplerot

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Plenty of family owned cheesesteak places around here and none of them even speak english, who cares? "Cheesesteak" or "lasagna" translate to the same thing, I am not asking them for an essay on socioeconomics I just want my dinner.

You want english speakers, head to the 'burbs, then you can order your american sh1tty fast food.
 

JRich

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When I lived in Germany, guess what? I learned GERMAN! What's so hard about learning English? Don't like their new policy? Don't eat there!
 

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Originally posted by: JRich
When I lived in Germany, guess what? I learned GERMAN! What's so hard about learning English? Don't like their new policy? Don't eat there!

what if their new policy required people to actually speak the english language......correctly?

and another thing, english is one of the hardest languages to learn for a foreigner
 

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I think this guy's policy is ridiculous. But I think he should be allowed to do business with whoever he wants, whenever he wants, however he wants.
 

JRich

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Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: JRich
When I lived in Germany, guess what? I learned GERMAN! What's so hard about learning English? Don't like their new policy? Don't eat there!

what if their new policy required people to actually speak the english language......correctly?

Then they wouldn't get very many customers! :p

 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Tom
"This isn't representative of the Philadelphia attitude."

LOL. So what is the Philadelphia attitude ?

who cares if its represeantative or not...this is america...these immigrants all speak english!
I do not think its at all unreasonable fopr them to expect others to speak english!

Good for them!! Has nothing to do with being Nazi!

I have traveled in many many foreign country where if you didnt speak the language you were SOL!!




Which countries were they?
 

wetech

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Originally posted by: feralkid

That's my point, Einstein...why, as a businessman, make it difficult for your customers?

Pretty moronic business plan.


Maybe it's because he's more concerned with his principles versus making a couple of extra bucks? I would think most of the anit-corporation crowd here would be supportive of such a stance. Or is it because his principles don't mesh with the "American culture must assimilate to the rest of the world" mentality that we're not hearing that?

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Tourists have just as much trouble as the illegals. No more. No less.
At least a tourist has the decency to acknowledge they are in a country with a language different from their own and bring a book.
They dont form hate groups and special action coalitions to make the local citizens ashamed of their own heritage.

And I've been to Germany. And Japan. And Iceland and Scotland and Italy and Spain and Greece and Isreal and one thing holds true in all of them. You will be welcomed a thousand times more warmly if you make the effort to learn the local language. (Incidentally, speaking Gaelic can help you get cute Scottish chicks.)

Totally agree. I've recently moved to Tokyo from the East Coast (was transferred by my company). The first thing I did when I moved here was sign up for Japanese lessons. Once I learned the so-called "survival Japanese" I found life here a lot easier. The Japanese are immensely appreciative if you're at least making an effort. Walking into a bar and saying "Biru o nihon kudasai" rather then pointing to a bottle of beer and holding up 2 fingers will most likely get you some better service.

 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Tom
"This isn't representative of the Philadelphia attitude."

LOL. So what is the Philadelphia attitude ?

who cares if its represeantative or not...this is america...these immigrants all speak english!
I do not think its at all unreasonable fopr them to expect others to speak english!

Good for them!! Has nothing to do with being Nazi!

I have traveled in many many foreign country where if you didnt speak the language you were SOL!!




Which countries were they?

I don't know what countries JEDIYoda might have traveled to (and I can't imagine him dealing with "foreigners" very well...), but in my experience, almost everywhere you go you can get by without knowing too much of the local language. I spent a week in Italy without even knowing how to ask where the bathroom was (it was in my little book, but I didn't have to use the phrase once). Everyone spoke at least enough English for me to get by, even in some of the more out of the way places like a little hole in the wall place in Naples. And that's Italy, a country that isn't quite on par with the US diversity-wise.

Given that, it seems like we're being a bunch of jackasses about the issue. Yeah, it would be nice if people all spoke English, but the whole common wisdom about how we're the only country that lets you get away with not knowing the language is a bunch of bull...at least as far as English is concerned.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Great idea; so tourists from Germany or Switzerland or Japan can't order at his restaurant unless they learn English first.

Absolute Moron.

Whenever I travel I do not expect a country to cater to my needs (English).

Neither should anyone else.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Tom
"This isn't representative of the Philadelphia attitude."

LOL. So what is the Philadelphia attitude ?

who cares if its represeantative or not...this is america...these immigrants all speak english!
I do not think its at all unreasonable fopr them to expect others to speak english!

Good for them!! Has nothing to do with being Nazi!

I have traveled in many many foreign country where if you didnt speak the language you were SOL!!




Which countries were they?

I don't know what countries JEDIYoda might have traveled to (and I can't imagine him dealing with "foreigners" very well...), but in my experience, almost everywhere you go you can get by without knowing too much of the local language. I spent a week in Italy without even knowing how to ask where the bathroom was (it was in my little book, but I didn't have to use the phrase once). Everyone spoke at least enough English for me to get by, even in some of the more out of the way places like a little hole in the wall place in Naples. And that's Italy, a country that isn't quite on par with the US diversity-wise.

Given that, it seems like we're being a bunch of jackasses about the issue. Yeah, it would be nice if people all spoke English, but the whole common wisdom about how we're the only country that lets you get away with not knowing the language is a bunch of bull...at least as far as English is concerned.



Well put. Actually I was calling out JEDIYoda, as I have a hard time believing he speaks several foreign languages; he can't even punctuate his English!