Engineers want to build a REAL USS Enterprise in space!

Fritzo

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And it could be done within 20 years! This blows the coolness factor off the chart:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47396187/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.T68fhuu2TaA

In Star Trek lore, the first Starship Enterprise will be built by the year 2245. But today, an engineer has proposed — and outlined in meticulous detail — building a full-sized, ion-powered version of the Enterprise complete with 1G of gravity on board, and says it could be done with current technology, within 20 years.
"We have the technological reach to build the first generation of the spaceship known as the USS Enterprise — so let's do it," writes the curator of the Build The Enterprise website, who goes by the name of BTE Dan.
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This "Gen1" Enterprise could get to Mars in 90 days, to the moon in three, and "could hop from planet to planet dropping off robotic probes of all sorts en masse — rovers, special-built planes and satellites,” BTE Dan says.
Complete with conceptual designs, ship specs, a funding schedule and almost every other imaginable detail, the BTE website was launched just this week and covers almost every aspect of how the project could be done. This Enterprise would be built entirely in space, have a rotating gravity section inside of the saucer, and be similar in size with the same look as the USS Enterprise that we know from classic "Star Trek."
“It ends up that this ship configuration is quite functional,” writes BTE Dan, even though his design moves a few parts around for better performance with today’s technology. This version of the Enterprise would be three things in one: a spaceship, a space station and a spaceport. A thousand people can be on board at once — either as crew members or as adventurous visitors.
While the ship will not travel at warp speed, with an ion propulsion engine powered by a 1.5GW nuclear reactor, it can travel at a constant acceleration so that the ship can easily get to key points of interest in our solar system. Three additional nuclear reactors would create all of the electricity needed for operation of the ship.
The saucer section would be a 0.3-mile-diameter (536-meter-diameter) rotating, magnetically suspended gravity wheel that would create 1G of gravity.
The first assignments for the Enterprise would have the ship serving as a space station and spaceport, but then go on to missions to the moon, Mars, Venus, various asteroids and even Europa, where the ship's laser would be used not for combat but for cutting through the moon's icy crust to enable a probe to descend to the ocean below.
Of course, like all spaceships today, the big "if" for such an effort would be getting Congress to provide NASA the funding to do a huge 20-year project. But BTE Dan has that all worked out, and between tax increases and spreading out budget cuts to areas like defense, health and human services, housing and urban development, education and energy, the cuts to areas of discretionary spending are not large, and the tax increases could be small.
"These changes to spending and taxes will not sink the republic," says the website. "In fact, these will barely be noticed. It’s amazing that a program as fantastic as the building a fleet of USS Enterprise spaceships can be done with so little impact."

BTE Dan adds that "the only obstacles to us doing it are the limitations we place on our collective imagination." His proposal says that NASA could still receive funding for the science, astronomy and robotic missions it currently undertakes.
But he proposes not just one Enterprise-class ship, but multiple ships, one of which can be built every 33 years — once per generation — giving three new ships per century. "Each will be more advanced than the prior one. Older ships can be continually upgraded over several generations until they are eventually decommissioned."
BTE Dan, who did not respond to emails, lists himself as a systems engineer and electrical engineer who has worked at a Fortune 500 company for the past 30 years.
The website includes a blog, a forum and a Q&A section, where BTE Dan answers the question, "What if someone can prove that building the Gen1 Enterprise is beyond our technological reach?"
Answer: "If someone can convince me that it is not technically possible (ignoring political and funding issues), then I will state on the BuildTheEnterprise site that I have been found to be wrong. In that case, building the first Enterprise will have to wait for, say, another half century. But I don’t think that anyone will be able to convince me it can’t be done. My position is that we can — and should — immediately start working on it.”

http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/
 

ImpulsE69

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You know..if this were to happen...(i'm not looking it up, but I'm assuming it wasn't Gene Rodenbury) but whoever designed the actual Enterprise will shit his grave.
 

polarmystery

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If this came to fruition, I can only imagine what kind of threats would prevent it from ever being built.

I for one, am all for it. I'd even pay more taxes to help fund it.
 

mmntech

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It's an interesting idea but it's not going to happen. At least not with any government space agency helming the project. The ISS will be completed in 2016, if it's on schedule. That will be 18 years since the project began. It's also cost double what was originally budgeted for it. This thing is four time the size of the fictional USS Enterprise and is budgeted for almost $1 trillion. Double that easily.

It would be supremely awesome to have a ship like this but government attitude's towards space flight will have to change dramatically, as well as how space agencies run structurally. At that cost, even private enterprise wouldn't touch it. It's just too optimistic at this point to say it could be built within 20 years.
 

Ruptga

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Assuming all his numbers are realistic, I think this is a fantastic idea. That said, we as a nation teach ourselves to think small (or not at all) so it will never happen.
 

Crono

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Aside from the design (which is the hook for the story), what he's talking about isn't that different from other ion-propelled spacecraft proposed in the past by NASA.

Pretty cool proposal if you are a Star Trek fan, though.
 

BladeVenom

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An ion drive spaceship would be great, but don't base it off the Enterprise. Naming it the Enterpise would be OK.
 

darkxshade

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Did he mention what the nacelles are for? I would think those are pretty much useless as far as functionality goes.
 

Bignate603

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Building it in the shape of the enterprise would be ridiculous. They'd add significant mass to get it into that shape without adding any functionality that couldn't be made in a more efficient design.
 

Phoenix86

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Did he mention what the nacelles are for? I would think those are pretty much useless as far as functionality goes.
The ion engine(s)?

edit: from the website it's the aux nuclear reactor and aux engines.

I think it's cool the design is somewhat functional. Rotating disk for gravity almost necessitates saucer section, attach an engine and a docking bay and.... Voila something close to Enterprise!
 
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mnewsham

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This honestly probably needs to happen first. I don't think we're going to achieve FTL travel on earth. We need to get out there and experiment.

Agreed, exploration of our solar system does not need FTL, while it would speed things up, 90 days to mars from earth orbit is a decent amount of time, but fast enough that it wouldn't be impossible.
 

CZroe

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The ion engine(s)?

edit: from the website it's the aux nuclear reactor and aux engines.

I think it's cool the design is somewhat functional. Rotating disk for gravity almost necessitates saucer section, attach an engine and a docking bay and.... Voila something close to Enterprise!

Wouldn't it need two opposing gravity discs stacked on top of each other to work properly, like a tandem rotor helicopter not needing a tail rotor? Also, why doesn't that diagram list where the reactor goes?
 
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God Mode

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I'd rather build a moon base and research terraforming which can eventually be used on ships.
 

mnewsham

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Wouldn't it need two opposing gravity discs stacked on top of each other to work properly, like a tandem rotor helicopter not needing a tail rotor? Also, why doesn't that diagram list where the reactor goes?

You just need enough rotation to simulate 1G you aren't using it to keep you aloft or anything like rotors on a helicopter.
 

CZroe

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You just need enough rotation to simulate 1G you aren't using it to keep you aloft or anything like rotors on a helicopter.
Basic Newtonian physics will tell you... something. It relates to a little part called "equal and opposite reaction."