Engineering samples and the like in FS/T

[Rike]

Was there ever a decision on selling engineering samples?

Reference thread

A quick search of "Engineering Sample" turn up plenty of examples of sales in the past.

Just wondering.

 

[Gillbot]

they are not allowed.
From intel:
http://www.intel.com/support/p...ssors/sb/cs-001616.htm

Engineering sample processors (also known as ES processors) are not intended to be offered for sale or resale to the general public. ES processors are considered "Intel Confidential" processors and are only to be used within Intel or by AUTHORIZED personnel outside of Intel for purposes of testing, evaluating, and/or pre-configuring systems. Every ES processor that is "Loaned" outside of Intel is done so under strict contractual agreements or Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDA) to assure the protection of Intel's intellectual property and the unit during the time it is "Loaned" out.

ES processors are available to those who qualify for, and obtain, an NDA. An Intel® Authorized Distributor can assist with the application to obtain an NDA. There are no other means to obtain sample processors from Intel Customer Support. Engineering sample processors are designed and built like normal processors, but offer additional features for testing purposes. These processors are not packaged or labeled for sale to consumers, and may incur damage when tested by system builders.

To determine if a processor is an engineering sample, refer to the processor markings. The Q-spec (a four-digit or five-digit code) will begin with the letter 'Q' instead of the standard letter 'S' which is used for production processors. Engineering Sample processors may also have the words ES located after the Q-spec or the words INTEL CONFIDENTIAL marked on them.

Engineering samples are not supported by Intel Customer Support and are not eligible for warranty service.

If you have received an engineering sample processor from a vendor, and you would like a production processor, contact your vendor for replacement information.

Engineering sample processors from Intel are property of Intel Corporation.

ALL manufacturers have the same stance on Engineering Sample parts. The sale of them is prohibited.

As for their sale in the past, We can't check every thread. If we see them for sale, the seller will be warned and the thread will be locked. Repeated violations may result in the suspension of posting privileges.

 

[Rike]

Thanks for the response, Gillbot.

I didn't have a personal stake in the thread I linked to, but I checked the FS/T posting rules and nothing was mentioned about engineering sample sales, so I was wondering what the deal was. Obviously, you shouldn't have to tell people not to break the law or their contracts with others, but you might consider a revision to the FS/T forum rules on the subject for the sake of clarification.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: Rike
Obviously, you shouldn't have to tell people not to break the law or their contracts with others

That's the problem I suppose. Every member signs off on the agreement when they register here saying that the forums can not be used for illegal (criminal or civil) activity, but not everyone listens. As we see them, we lock threads and tell users that they are doing something they are not allowed to do. Listing EVERYTHING in the rules would just make the rules so large that no one would read them anyway.

when you get down to it, we are not member's mothers. People need to take personal accountability for what they say and do here. Intel already told them at least once not to sell it when they got the item. Same way Blizzard says you can't sell accounts, etc.

 

[Howard]

Pretty simple, isn't it? "Not for resale" should be a good enough blanket rule.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Would AT's position be the same on chips which were sold at retail, but identify themselves as engineering samples?

e.g., My old FX-51 is labeled as an ES. Also, I think AMD just recently released a few Phenom II's that were actually ES's.

Also, since I can't think of any instance where a chip manufacturer has actually gone after an individual reselling an ES (and they're all over ebay), would it be enough to post Intel's above quoted stance on the matter as a disclaimer when posting them for sale?

No worries if not, just trying to clarify it for myself, since I've got a couple.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
Would AT's position be the same on chips which were sold at retail, but identify themselves as engineering samples?

e.g., My old FX-51 is labeled as an ES. Also, I think AMD just recently released a few Phenom II's that were actually ES's.

Also, since I can't think of any instance where a chip manufacturer has actually gone after an individual reselling an ES (and they're all over ebay), would it be enough to post Intel's above quoted stance on the matter as a disclaimer when posting them for sale?

No worries if not, just trying to clarify it for myself, since I've got a couple.

how did you get them?

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
Would AT's position be the same on chips which were sold at retail, but identify themselves as engineering samples?

e.g., My old FX-51 is labeled as an ES. Also, I think AMD just recently released a few Phenom II's that were actually ES's.

Also, since I can't think of any instance where a chip manufacturer has actually gone after an individual reselling an ES (and they're all over ebay), would it be enough to post Intel's above quoted stance on the matter as a disclaimer when posting them for sale?

No worries if not, just trying to clarify it for myself, since I've got a couple.

If you contact the manufacturer (intel, AMD, etc.) and explain that you got an ES, they will usually replace it with a true retail part. And to re-state, ES parts are NOT to be sold to the general public.

Engineering sample processors (also known as ES processors) are not intended to be offered for sale or resale to the general public.

It doesn't matter how they were obtained, they are NOT intended to be sold to the general public.