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ENGINEER DUDES and DUDETTES

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Simply put, my logic skills are pathetic. I am practically failing physics because I cannot correctly visualize certain scenarios and usually attempt to solve problems using inappropriate methods...the math is easy, but getting the given info into usable form always leads to disastrous results....hell, I was doing physics hw all morning ,and I got most of the problems wrong. I think I study physics enough, that the root of the problem seems to lie elsewhere, perhaps in my logic.

I have constantly heard rhetoric from my engineering and math professors that mathematicians have an edge over engineers due to their logical abilities, and are easy to train as engineer?s compared to training the engineers to be mathematicians.

Basically, even if I pass physics, I NEED some help with logic, and many have proposed that taking discrete math would definitely be beneficial. I realize the CS majors have to take it and after looking over the textbook, it looks quite difficult. I could have no problem taking it however if it were to improve my logic skills, so I pose this question to those who have taken it, CS majors, EE's, math majors or otherwise:


Would taking discrete math help me improve my logical capacity, if at all, and what options are there for someone on my situations?

Keep in mind that I have taken Calc I-III, Lin al, and am getting an A in diff. eq so competence shouldn?t be an issue here. I do realize that discrete math is quite different from any of the math classes I have taken, and would like to hear opinions, bias or otherwise.

Thanks


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I took discrete math in college a few years back and it wasn't too difficult. Could have gotten an A if I tried hard (got a B, yeah yeah, shoulda, coulda, woulda 😛)

It might help a little w/ like boolean type logic in the form of converse/inverse type relationships.

I don't recall it being like logic design type stuff, but it did involve what I said before.

It deals with a lot of proofs on finding relationships between things (for lack of better words). I cna't remember much else hehe...

It is defnintely an interesting class to take.
 
if you want logic lessons, take pure math courses (modern analysis and algebra). sounds like you need a healthy dose of theorem proof stuff.
 
Hey David, what's up! this is Gary.Discrete Math deals a lot with theorems , proofs and ( in my case) algorithms. It has some parts where logic is touched, but it mostly comes from you. I would advise you to entertain your brain with logical games with learning a programming languages and stuff like that. Right now , I am taking Discrete Math and a Data Structures, they both have very similar topics ( recursion, trees). However, it is weird because I wouldn't think that taking Discrete Math would help you in physics. They are both very different. Physics is just more reading carefully what they are asking you to do and actually know what you are doing step by step.

Regards

ng
 
Originally posted by: ngvepforever2
Hey David, what's up! this is Gary.Discrete Math deals a lot with theorems , proofs and ( in my case) algorithms. It has some parts where logic is touched, but it mostly comes from you. I would advise you to entertain your brain with logical games with learning a programming languages and stuff like that. Right now , I am taking Discrete Math and a Data Structures, they both have very similar topics ( recursion, trees). However, it is weird because I wouldn't think that taking Discrete Math would help you in physics. They are both very different. Physics is just more reading carefully what they are asking you to do and actually know what you are doing step by step.

Regards

ng
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Sup Gary...itneresting info.

 
If you want to learn logic in a computer context I would take Automata or Graph Theory. Those are more computer science than engineering, but they're a lot more proof-oriented than discrete is.
 
I would say yes.
I am a Math major, and Discrete Math is one of the earliest classes one can take that does not involve the "Machine". By machine I mean how calculus for the most part plugg and chugg. You recognize the problem then apply the rule. In discrete you have to recognize relationsips between different types of objects.You actually think about and reason about your solution.
I would defiinitely take it.

I would recommend reading
Polya
 
Originally posted by: eigen
I would say yes.
I am a Math major, and Discrete Math is one of the earliest classes one can take that does not involve the "Machine". By machine I mean how calculus for the most part plugg and chugg. You recognize the problem then apply the rule. In discrete you have to recognize relationsips between different types of objects.You actually think about and reason about your solution.
I would defiinitely take it.

I would recommend reading
Polya
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interesting...
 
No prob, David. I 'll be in school in monday ( got two exams to take🙁 ) so ask me questiions you have about the class. I am pretty sure if you ask Mrs. Lazzarino, she would tell you to take the class. The book is not difficult, it's just horribly designed. For you it would probably all new stuff and it woul be a very interesting class to take. I would say take it, even if it only helps you a little bit in logic (specifically in physics)

Regards

ng
 
I'm taking Discrete Structures right now and I think it's fvcking hard, and I get As and ABs in classes. The average for the first test we took was 53% for a class of 60 students, and we're not all retards. Hopefully I can get out of there with a BC or B (getting a 67% right now). The professor said in his school in China they split the material for this class into three separate classes... great. Haha 😛.
 
Originally posted by: TuxDave
The best class I ever took in logic was a philosophy class titled "Logic, Reasoning and Persuasion"
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Premises, validity of arguments, debate, narrow/broad arguments?
 
i took discrete math in my 2nd year in college. and BOY was that a hard class. it was the weed out class in computer science. the average on our final exam was a 29%! I ended up with a 38 so I did fine. Overall I got a B in the class. My other roomate was on it for his 3rd time, and he actually didnt pass and had to change majors.

I think the difficulty depends on the school. some people are saying they got A's and B's pretty easily, but at UMD it was a very hard class, and again it was the weed out class for comp sci majors. The class however I really enjoyed, althogh it was very hard, and I must admit, there were some topics I did not fully understand, and i knew the proofs only because you could pretty much memorize them. the wierdest proof was some proof about the finite/infinite-ness of binary numbers.

it is a good logic class however. the first 1/3 of my class was all doing logical statments, and doing proofs of logical statements. but like you have said, it is NOTHING like any other math class you have ever had. sometimes it just seems wierd. but overall i enjoyed it, and yes, i think it will help your overall logic abillities.

induction = a bitch.
 
Originally posted by: purbeast0
i took discrete math in my 2nd year in college. and BOY was that a hard class. it was the weed out class in computer science. the average on our final exam was a 29%! I ended up with a 38 so I did fine. Overall I got a B in the class. My other roomate was on it for his 3rd time, and he actually didnt pass and had to change majors.

I think the difficulty depends on the school. some people are saying they got A's and B's pretty easily, but at UMD it was a very hard class, and again it was the weed out class for comp sci majors. The class however I really enjoyed, althogh it was very hard, and I must admit, there were some topics I did not fully understand, and i knew the proofs only because you could pretty much memorize them. the wierdest proof was some proof about the finite/infinite-ness of binary numbers.

it is a good logic class however. the first 1/3 of my class was all doing logical statments, and doing proofs of logical statements. but like you have said, it is NOTHING like any other math class you have ever had. sometimes it just seems wierd. but overall i enjoyed it, and yes, i think it will help your overall logic abillities.

induction = a bitch.
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HOLEY MACKAREL!:Q
 
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