Engine Failure: Toyota Tundra may be recalled..

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Toyota Tundra may be recalled

Engine trouble on new Texas-made pickup could hurt quality reputation.

Toyota Motor Corp. faces a costly setback in the biggest U.S. vehicle launch in its history after owners of its new Tundra pickup reported engine failures.

The Japanese automaker may recall Tundras equipped with 5.7-liter V-8s to replace the engines, a company spokesman said Wednesday.

The trouble with the Tundra's 5.7-liter engines, the most powerful engine available on the new pickup, is the latest in a series of recalls and problems that have dented Toyota's reputation.

The automaker set the industry standards for vehicle quality, but now seems to be straining to maintain top quality as it expands overseas, builds factories and hires thousands of new workers.

"It's really tough," said Karl Brauer, editor of Edmunds.com, an automotive research Web site. "Engine failure kills a car's ability to run and it's not a simple thing to fix."

Such a problem is also likely to affect residual values, he said.

Industry experts say Toyota is extremely vulnerable to negative publicity because of its prominence in the industry.

In the first quarter of 2007, Toyota overtook General Motors Corp. to become the world's leading automaker in terms of sales.

With the launch of the Tundra earlier this year, Toyota aims to double its share of the lucrative full-size pickup market, one of the few segments still dominated by the U.S. automakers.

Toyota officials characterize the Tundra launch as the most important introduction in the company's history in the United States.

The rollout has suffered delays and disappointments. For instance, the Tundra earned lower frontal crash scores than domestic rivals such as the Ford F-150 and Dodge Ram.

But the engine problem is more damaging and could slow the vehicle's brisk sales momentum.

Company spokesman Bill Kwong said Toyota realized in February that there was a problem with the camshafts delivered by a supplier for the 5.7-liter engine, and the automaker ordered the necessary changes to production.

Still, Toyota has seen 20 cases of engine failure in trucks equipped with 5.7-liter engines, although no injuries have been reported.

Toyota is now studying how many of the 30,000 5.7-liter engines it built are affected.

Toyota builds the Tundra pickup at assembly plants in Princeton, Ind., and San Antonio, Texas, and makes the engines in Alabama.

The automaker hopes to sell 200,000 new Tundras this year, compared with 124,508 previous-generation Tundras in 2006.

But U.S. automakers are holding their own in the pickup market, and GM has been successful with its new Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra trucks.

In contrast to their performance in the car market, where they have been pushed back by Japanese nameplates, American manufacturers account for more than 90 percent of full-size pickup sales, which totaled 2.2 million units in 2006.

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spaceman

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Trollyota!
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even more reason to stick with the tried and true red white and blue!

* gonna buy me a ford truck and cruise it up and down the road!!!
 

brandonbull

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Is it me or are the foreign automakers starting to have quality control problems now they are producing cars on the scale of Ford and GM?
 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
Is it me or are the foreign automakers starting to have quality control problems now they are producing cars on the scale of Ford and GM?

The problems they're having is that when they were producing small light engines and such, the problems of handling torque were minor. Ramp it up, and suddenly Nissan has massive torque steer, Honda has transmission failures, and Toyota has engine failures. GM/Ford/Mopar know how to handle torque, they've been doing it for almost a century.

High RPMs and power can be handled by clever engineering, torque is something that just requires meat and experience.
 

AmigaMan

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Originally posted by: The Cornballer
Trollyota!
:D:D:D
even more reason to stick with the tried and true red white and blue!

* gonna buy me a ford truck and cruise it up and down the road!!!

...and built in Mexico.
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: The Cornballer
Trollyota!
:D:D:D
even more reason to stick with the tried and true red white and blue!

* gonna buy me a ford truck and cruise it up and down the road!!!

...and built in Mexico.

There are Hondas made in Mexico too. Who gives a crap?
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: The Cornballer
Trollyota!
:D:D:D
even more reason to stick with the tried and true red white and blue!

* gonna buy me a ford truck and cruise it up and down the road!!!

...and built in Mexico.

There are Hondas made in Mexico too. Who gives a crap?

It matters if you are going to make a dumbass statement like I'm buying a Chevy or Ford cause they are american.
 

1prophet

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This a manufacturing flaw not a design flaw, probably because of a rushed schedule.
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LOS ANGELES -- A batch of camshaft failures in 5.7-liter V-8 engines has dinged the launch of the Toyota Tundra pickup.

Camshafts in 20 engines have snapped, says Toyota spokesman Mike Michels. The outside camshaft supplier, which Toyota declined to identify, has traced the problem to "a metallurgical defect in the casting, a flaw in the metal which they have corrected," he says.

To date, Toyota has built 30,000 of the engines, and the company is determining how many might be affected. Michels says that it was "an early batch," and that "Toyota is confident in the production from that point on."

A camshaft is a spinning rod that opens the engine's intake and exhaust valves in sequence. Toyota's camshafts are designed to avoid collateral damage if they snap.

Toyota rushed the 5.7-liter engine into production in time for the Tundra's February launch. The 5.7-liter initially was scheduled to arrive this summer. But Toyota dealers and product planners told the manufacturing arm that the Tundra needed the big V-8 at launch because the 4.7-liter V-8 would not make a strong enough statement.

The 5.7-liter represents more than 70 percent of the engine mix.

Toyota's top executives repeatedly have stated their concern that Toyota is growing too quickly to keep quality at past high levels.

Toyota likely will not test each camshaft to see if it is prone to failure. Rather, customers whose camshafts fail will have their entire engines replaced.

One Toyota dealer service technician who declined to be identified says Toyota asked him to ship overnight a defective engine to its V-8 engine plant in Alabama.

"The guy was towing a small trailer, not under full load," the technician says.


Remember GM went to Isuzu for their diesel engine, the Duramax.


Toyota and Nissan have heavy duty truck lines, Hino and UD, so they do have expertise in making larger vehicles contrary to popular belief.
 

ponyo

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But it's Toyota! They make perfect vehicles with zero problems! :D
Before Toyota fanboys jump me, I own 2002 Tundra and 2003 Sienna.

Say what you wish about US automakers but they know how to make big trucks and they know how to build V8 engines.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: 1prophet
This a manufacturing flaw not a design flaw, probably because of a rushed schedule.
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LOS ANGELES -- A batch of camshaft failures in 5.7-liter V-8 engines has dinged the launch of the Toyota Tundra pickup.

Camshafts in 20 engines have snapped, says Toyota spokesman Mike Michels. The outside camshaft supplier, which Toyota declined to identify, has traced the problem to "a metallurgical defect in the casting, a flaw in the metal which they have corrected," he says.

To date, Toyota has built 30,000 of the engines, and the company is determining how many might be affected. Michels says that it was "an early batch," and that "Toyota is confident in the production from that point on."

A camshaft is a spinning rod that opens the engine's intake and exhaust valves in sequence. Toyota's camshafts are designed to avoid collateral damage if they snap.

Toyota rushed the 5.7-liter engine into production in time for the Tundra's February launch. The 5.7-liter initially was scheduled to arrive this summer. But Toyota dealers and product planners told the manufacturing arm that the Tundra needed the big V-8 at launch because the 4.7-liter V-8 would not make a strong enough statement.

The 5.7-liter represents more than 70 percent of the engine mix.

Toyota's top executives repeatedly have stated their concern that Toyota is growing too quickly to keep quality at past high levels.

Toyota likely will not test each camshaft to see if it is prone to failure. Rather, customers whose camshafts fail will have their entire engines replaced.

One Toyota dealer service technician who declined to be identified says Toyota asked him to ship overnight a defective engine to its V-8 engine plant in Alabama.

"The guy was towing a small trailer, not under full load," the technician says.


Remember GM went to Isuzu for their diesel engine, the Duramax.


Toyota and Nissan have heavy duty truck lines, Hino and UD, so they do have expertise in making larger vehicles contrary to popular belief.

That supplier is done for. Toyota will go back after them with vengence. They will be charged with all of the costs incurred by Toyota and if that doesn't kill them, they will lose their ability to supply the company.

As for me, I'm not suprised. No company is perfect and cannot watch every part of the manufacturing process. No auto maker has a perfect record when it comes to recalls.
 

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The website I was reffering to no longer lists where the cars are assembled.
 

Pacfanweb

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It can't be! Toyota is the best automaker in the history of cars! They run forever and don't break! Just like Hondas!

Sorry, but the Honda and Toyota shops are FULL of broken cars. They actually do more business than the domestic shops, at least around here.

This isn't the first engine defect Toyota has had, either.
 

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: brandonbull
Is it me or are the foreign automakers starting to have quality control problems now they are producing cars on the scale of Ford and GM?

The problems they're having is that when they were producing small light engines and such, the problems of handling torque were minor. Ramp it up, and suddenly Nissan has massive torque steer, Honda has transmission failures, and Toyota has engine failures. GM/Ford/Mopar know how to handle torque, they've been doing it for almost a century.

High RPMs and power can be handled by clever engineering, torque is something that just requires meat and experience.

I agree and disagree with your statements.

You only get torque steer on FWD vehicles . Most high output domestics are RWD based which will not exhibit torque steer, though there are exceptions like the Pontiac Grand Prix and some older FWD Cadillacs. Nissan Altima/Maxima and even the Acura TL are FWD layout vehicles with quick-revving engines that reach their peak output quickly. I agree that torque steer can be eliminated or minimized by clever engineering, which Nissan did do with the redesigned 2007 Altima, and the realization is trickling down to all redesigned models. If I had to guess, I'd say that torque steer is a thing of the past with Nissan.

Honda has transmission failures, as do Nissans, as do Toyotas, as do domestics. Problem is that there's a perception that Japanese brands are bulletproof and reliable and the transmissions should last forever ... put that in the hands of millions of people who don't bother to do simple things like change transmisison fluid or clean the transmission filter and it would be no surprise that it would fail at some point.
Domestics have transmission failures as well, but general public doesn't treat domestics with the same high standards of reliability as they do with Japanese brands. So no one complains, transmissions get fixed and people go about their merry way .... but one Honda breaks down and you'll see it on 20 online forums, and the whole family tree will find out about it. It's double standards.

Toyota has engine flaws (sludge), GM had the lovely Dex-cool and poorly designed intake manifold seals that failed and required a costly repair, etc .... it can happen to any car maker.
 

theeedude

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First they botch the safety test and only manage 4 stars, now this. Looks like the new Turdna is off to a bad start.
 

compuwiz1

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The Tundra is trying to be a real truck, but the good ol boys, with real work to do laugh at them. Now they just have more reason to laugh. Go Chevy, Ford and Dodge. People who need a real truck don't buy an ugly assed truck wannabe. The ridgeline as a truck, now that's a different kind of joke. LOL :)

I'm in the automotive business. I love these braniacs who don't buy warranties on Toyotas because they think they never break. Come and look in our service department on any given day, then tell me Toyotas don't break down. "Sir, may I call your attention to that transfer case on the floor over there? "
 

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..the 06 Tundra/previous body style was a good looking truck. This new Tundra is bulbus and bloated looking. The dash looks trashy with hard plastic finish and the sheet metal guage is lighter as well. It's going to ding real easy. Any of the mfgr's can have problems..it's how they respond to them and learn from mistakes that make the diff. This will be a good challenge for Toy. Let's see if they can maintain the allure of the unicorn..and maintain their unicorn prices.
 

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This really hurts them as obviously they are really trying hard to get into the larger truck segment.
 

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CFster

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: brandonbull
Is it me or are the foreign automakers starting to have quality control problems now they are producing cars on the scale of Ford and GM?

The problems they're having is that when they were producing small light engines and such, the problems of handling torque were minor. Ramp it up, and suddenly Nissan has massive torque steer, Honda has transmission failures, and Toyota has engine failures. GM/Ford/Mopar know how to handle torque, they've been doing it for almost a century.

High RPMs and power can be handled by clever engineering, torque is something that just requires meat and experience.

Way to make a broad generalization without a clue.

Torque steer isn't a factor in a rear drive truck.

Honda's transmission failures aren't related to torque. The problem was transmission cases that were built to "big". They were slightly out of spec causing internal componants to move around that shouldn't. This was a problem with cars and minivans.

And camshaft failures have nothing to do with torque (in any vehicle) either. It's more of an oil starvation issue usually. Older police cars and taxis used to do in cams all the time - because they were sitting around idling most of the time, when oil pressure is at it's lowest. That equaled wiped out cam lobes from oil starvation.



 

CFster

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
It can't be! Toyota is the best automaker in the history of cars! They run forever and don't break! Just like Hondas!

Sorry, but the Honda and Toyota shops are FULL of broken cars. They actually do more business than the domestic shops, at least around here.

This isn't the first engine defect Toyota has had, either.

Yeah, they're full of cars, but they're all there for routine service work.

The shops full of cars getting engines and transmissions are the domestics pal.