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Endorsments announced

Pabster

Lifer
Apr 15, 2001
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What a shock! The 5 Democrat women of the Editorial Board for the Register picked Clinton! (Guess Bill's wining and dining did them well!)
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
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Originally posted by: Pabster
What a shock! The 5 Democrat women of the Editorial Board for the Register picked Clinton! (Guess Bill's wining and dining did them well!)

Predictably Pointless Pabster.

Of course, the endorsement had only to do with gender. Your evidence?
 

Pliablemoose

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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I'm curious as hell how much influence Oprah's going to have on Obama's candidacy.

Listening to NPR & talk radio, he's becoming a darling of the media... Sold out crowds in the thousands compared to gatherings of just hundreds for the Clintons.
 

ProfJohn

Lifer
Jul 28, 2006
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Anyone else of the belief that Newspapers shouldn't endorse candidates?

I thought their job was to provide news and not opinions.

Every time I see an article in the DesMoines paper will I now think of how it fits within their endorsement?
 

Pabster

Lifer
Apr 15, 2001
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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I'm curious as hell how much influence Oprah's going to have on Obama's candidacy.

Listening to NPR & talk radio, he's becoming a darling of the media... Sold out crowds in the thousands compared to gatherings of just hundreds for the Clintons.

How well it actually does (as in garnering more Obama votes) remains to be seen. But the perception of how well it will do has been enough to scare the bejesus out of Team Hillary. Which is why she's been dragging the whole family out of the closet to make ads and campaign on her behalf (Bill, Chelsea, Mom, etc.) Of course in public she says that she isn't worried about it, but we know otherwise.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Pabster
What a shock! The 5 Democrat women of the Editorial Board for the Register picked Clinton! (Guess Bill's wining and dining did them well!)

Predictably Pointless Pabster.

Of course, the endorsement had only to do with gender. Your evidence?

Predictably ignorant Craig234. If you read the DMR's editorals and the staff editorials you'd have more than enough evidence of gender bias. Now that doesn't mean it's the ONLY reason but Pabster didn't state it was the ONLY reason - YOU put that qualifier in there.
 

Pabster

Lifer
Apr 15, 2001
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Originally posted by: Craig234
Predictably Pointless Pabster.

Of course, the endorsement had only to do with gender. Your evidence?

Well, whether it had only to do with gender or not doesn't really matter. It certainly looks suspicious, wouldn't you say? Of course, Bill did spend a lot of time on the phone and in high-end restaurants and banquet halls wining and dining the editorial board... Put two and two together Craig.

Hillary desperately needed a sliver of "good" news, and this will be her life raft for the coming week. She's gonna need a lot more to keep her head above water though...
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Anyone else of the belief that Newspapers shouldn't endorse candidates?

I thought their job was to provide news and not opinions.

Every time I see an article in the DesMoines paper will I now think of how it fits within their endorsement?

It's the editorial dept which is supposedly different than the "news" dept(yeah right).

I've always read their paper with their bias in mind due to the fact their bias shows on so many issues. This summer there was a major illegal alien raid at Monsanto in Grinnell. Not a peep from the DMR. I emailed the editor to ask where the coverage was(4 days after the raid). I got a reply back a day later saying they now have someone on the story and they thanked me for the heads-up. :roll: IT WAS ON THE FREAKING TV NEWS(one station anyway). But that's the DMR for you - they are a pro-illegal alien staff.
 

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
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Originally posted by: Pabster
Hillary desperately needed a sliver of "good" news, and this will be her life raft for the coming week. She's gonna need a lot more to keep her head above water though...
...and I hope she drowns!

Obama vs. McCain in '08 FTW!
 

Pabster

Lifer
Apr 15, 2001
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The Des Moines Register is a far-left liberal rag. Always has been, always will.

Their endorsement of McCain is just a token to make it look nice.

Iowans know this, because we are cursed with their liberal ranting all year long. The rest of the country doesn't have the pleasure.
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
So the legacy media is starting to announce it's endorsements.

Well thank you for admitting that the media has been taken over by the GOP (aka Murdock and Faux news).

You did it indirectly by calling out the Globe and Register separately but never less a call out.

Again thanks much for the admission. :thumbsup:
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
So the legacy media is starting to announce it's endorsements.

Well thank you for admitting that the media has been taken over by the GOP (aka Murdock and Faux news).

You did it indirectly by calling out the Globe and Register separately but never less a call out.

Again thanks much for the admission. :thumbsup:

Uh no. The DMR is a Gannett rag.(ie bought and paid for liberal "news") The Globe is owned by the NY Times - another liberal rag.

The reason I put "legacy" in there is because these institutions(the DMR atleast) hates the "new media" (bloggers, etc) and bashes them all the time. But the reality of the situation is - the DMR(along with most newspapers) is losing readership in droves.
 

Pabster

Lifer
Apr 15, 2001
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well thank you for admitting that the media has been taken over by the GOP (aka Murdock and Faux news).

I'd suggest checking the ownership of the DMR and Globe before spouting nonsense like that, Dave. You'll find that they are both liberal bastions owned by liberals.

 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Anyone else of the belief that Newspapers shouldn't endorse candidates?

I thought their job was to provide news and not opinions.

Every time I see an article in the DesMoines paper will I now think of how it fits within their endorsement?

You are unfamiliar with the history of the press since the founding of the nation, and its rols as seen by the founding fathers, then, ProfJohn - Jefferson calling it The Fourth Estate.

I'll quote President Kennedy in his speech to the Newspaper Editors (need I say how refreshing his comments are in contrast to the current president, on respecting dissent).

I bolded passages which speak directly to your issue on opinion, not just news:

No President should fear public scrutiny of his program. For from that scrutiny comes understanding; and from that understanding comes support or opposition. And both are necessary. I am not asking your newspapers to support the Administration, but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed.

I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers--I welcome it. This Administration intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors; and we expect you to point them out when we miss them.

Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed--and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First Amendment-- the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution- -not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and the sentimental, not to simply "give the public what it wants"--but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold, educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.

This means greater coverage and analysis of international news--for it is no longer far away and foreign but close at hand and local. It means greater attention to improved understanding of the news as well as improved transmission. And it means, finally, that government at all levels, must meet its obligation to provide you with the fullest possible information outside the narrowest limits of national security--and we intend to do it.
 

Rainsford

Lifer
Apr 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: Pabster
The Des Moines Register is a far-left liberal rag. Always has been, always will.

Their endorsement of McCain is just a token to make it look nice.

Iowans know this, because we are cursed with their liberal ranting all year long. The rest of the country doesn't have the pleasure.

Man do you guys whine a lot. I lived in Iowa for 4 years while going to college, and while I don't think the DMR is a super great paper, I don't think their coverage is at all biased. And I didn't think so even when I first moved to Iowa, when I considered myself quite the conservative (man was I stupid back then). And let's face it, you are the LAST person who can accurately judge if someone is a lefty...you're so far to the right I think Hitler would look like a communist to you.
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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www.alienbabeltech.com
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
So the legacy media is starting to announce it's endorsements.

Well thank you for admitting that the media has been taken over by the GOP (aka Murdock and Faux news).

You did it indirectly by calling out the Globe and Register separately but never less a call out.

Again thanks much for the admission. :thumbsup:

Uh no. The DMR is a Gannett rag.(ie bought and paid for liberal "news") The Globe is owned by the NY Times - another liberal rag.

The reason I put "legacy" in there is because these institutions(the DMR atleast) hates the "new media" (bloggers, etc) and bashes them all the time. But the reality of the situation is - the DMR(along with most newspapers) is losing readership in droves.

Your bias and steadfastness to your string holders shines through once again.

It's not just liberal paper rags losing readership, it's both.

The readers from both Dem & GOP going online only.

But of course thanks for playing as always.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Pabster
The Des Moines Register is a far-left liberal rag. Always has been, always will.

Their endorsement of McCain is just a token to make it look nice.

Iowans know this, because we are cursed with their liberal ranting all year long. The rest of the country doesn't have the pleasure.

Man do you guys whine a lot. I lived in Iowa for 4 years while going to college, and while I don't think the DMR is a super great paper, I don't think their coverage is at all biased. And I didn't think so even when I first moved to Iowa, when I considered myself quite the conservative (man was I stupid back then). And let's face it, you are the LAST person who can accurately judge if someone is a lefty...you're so far to the right I think Hitler would look like a communist to you.

Uhh.. Pointing out the bias is not whining, it's just stating the facts. Just take a look at the last debate. The Register took the 2 biggest issues off the table. They are openly pro-amnesty. I could go on and on, but it is definately not whining to point out their bias.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
25,162
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www.ShawCAD.com
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
So the legacy media is starting to announce it's endorsements.

Well thank you for admitting that the media has been taken over by the GOP (aka Murdock and Faux news).

You did it indirectly by calling out the Globe and Register separately but never less a call out.

Again thanks much for the admission. :thumbsup:

Uh no. The DMR is a Gannett rag.(ie bought and paid for liberal "news") The Globe is owned by the NY Times - another liberal rag.

The reason I put "legacy" in there is because these institutions(the DMR atleast) hates the "new media" (bloggers, etc) and bashes them all the time. But the reality of the situation is - the DMR(along with most newspapers) is losing readership in droves.

Your bias and steadfastness to your string holders shines through once again.

It's not just liberal paper rags losing readership, it's both.

The readers from both Dem & GOP going online only.

But of course thanks for playing as always.

Nowhere did I say it was only lefty papers losing readership.
 

Rainsford

Lifer
Apr 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Pabster
The Des Moines Register is a far-left liberal rag. Always has been, always will.

Their endorsement of McCain is just a token to make it look nice.

Iowans know this, because we are cursed with their liberal ranting all year long. The rest of the country doesn't have the pleasure.

Man do you guys whine a lot. I lived in Iowa for 4 years while going to college, and while I don't think the DMR is a super great paper, I don't think their coverage is at all biased. And I didn't think so even when I first moved to Iowa, when I considered myself quite the conservative (man was I stupid back then). And let's face it, you are the LAST person who can accurately judge if someone is a lefty...you're so far to the right I think Hitler would look like a communist to you.

Uhh.. Pointing out the bias is not whining, it's just stating the facts. Just take a look at the last debate. The Register took the 2 biggest issues off the table. They are openly pro-amnesty. I could go on and on, but it is definately not whining to point out their bias.

I think you've fallen into the trap of thinking that everything that doesn't agree with your worldview must be "biased". Let's face it, you're hardly middle of the road either, the fact that you don't like the Register's coverage doesn't mean they are biased, maybe it means YOUR point of view is wrong. Are they biased because they "took the 2 biggest issues off the table", or is it maybe that not everyone agrees on what the "2 biggest issues" are?

And it IS whining, because instead of trying to fairly judge the media against some objective standard of journalism, you insist on complaining every time the media does anything that doesn't fit with your worldview. The bar for displaying bias, according to you guys, isn't slanting facts or coverage away from the truth to serve an agenda, it's reporting anything at all that goes against YOUR agenda. If the media covered things in a way you approved of, they really would be biased.

Personally I think the whole "bias" argument against the media is a sideshow for what's really wrong with the news media, and I think the only reason people pursue it with such abandon is that it allows you a neat little out to dismiss things you disagree with. The fact that all media, with a few exceptions, is accused of LIBERAL bias should raise some obvious questions. While I don't think the media is immune to bias, I find it strange that an entire industry would be biased one way...especially because they are a business and display such an obvious bias (according to you people) that they'd end up driving away half their customers. Not to mention that most media outlets are owned by large corporations, and you have to look pretty hard to find a liberal on any of their boards. The whole thing smacks just a little too much of conspiracy theory nonsense for me to not think you have some ulterior motive, particularly when that motive is so obvious.
 

Pabster

Lifer
Apr 15, 2001
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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Man do you guys whine a lot. I lived in Iowa for 4 years while going to college, and while I don't think the DMR is a super great paper, I don't think their coverage is at all biased. And I didn't think so even when I first moved to Iowa, when I considered myself quite the conservative (man was I stupid back then).

Of course you don't see their bias. You're of the exact same mindset!

That's the problem with these "bias" studies and reports. Apparently people are blind when the "news" comes from a source they agree with.

And let's face it, you are the LAST person who can accurately judge if someone is a lefty...you're so far to the right I think Hitler would look like a communist to you.

:roll:
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
25,162
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www.ShawCAD.com
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Pabster
The Des Moines Register is a far-left liberal rag. Always has been, always will.

Their endorsement of McCain is just a token to make it look nice.

Iowans know this, because we are cursed with their liberal ranting all year long. The rest of the country doesn't have the pleasure.

Man do you guys whine a lot. I lived in Iowa for 4 years while going to college, and while I don't think the DMR is a super great paper, I don't think their coverage is at all biased. And I didn't think so even when I first moved to Iowa, when I considered myself quite the conservative (man was I stupid back then). And let's face it, you are the LAST person who can accurately judge if someone is a lefty...you're so far to the right I think Hitler would look like a communist to you.

Uhh.. Pointing out the bias is not whining, it's just stating the facts. Just take a look at the last debate. The Register took the 2 biggest issues off the table. They are openly pro-amnesty. I could go on and on, but it is definately not whining to point out their bias.

I think you've fallen into the trap of thinking that everything that doesn't agree with your worldview must be "biased". Let's face it, you're hardly middle of the road either, the fact that you don't like the Register's coverage doesn't mean they are biased, maybe it means YOUR point of view is wrong. Are they biased because they "took the 2 biggest issues off the table", or is it maybe that not everyone agrees on what the "2 biggest issues" are?

And it IS whining, because instead of trying to fairly judge the media against some objective standard of journalism, you insist on complaining every time the media does anything that doesn't fit with your worldview. The bar for displaying bias, according to you guys, isn't slanting facts or coverage away from the truth to serve an agenda, it's reporting anything at all that goes against YOUR agenda. If the media covered things in a way you approved of, they really would be biased.

Personally I think the whole "bias" argument against the media is a sideshow for what's really wrong with the news media, and I think the only reason people pursue it with such abandon is that it allows you a neat little out to dismiss things you disagree with. The fact that all media, with a few exceptions, is accused of LIBERAL bias should raise some obvious questions. While I don't think the media is immune to bias, I find it strange that an entire industry would be biased one way...especially because they are a business and display such an obvious bias (according to you people) that they'd end up driving away half their customers. Not to mention that most media outlets are owned by large corporations, and you have to look pretty hard to find a liberal on any of their boards. The whole thing smacks just a little too much of conspiracy theory nonsense for me to not think you have some ulterior motive, particularly when that motive is so obvious.

Uhh no. Nat security(by default the war) and illegal immigration are the 2 biggest issues on the Republican side. It's been shown over and over again. The Register did people a disservice by specifically taking those two issues out of the debate. Is it coincidence they are against both those issues? I think not. They have repeatedly shown their bias. Even today's edition shows it. They gave Steve King a "thissle" for introducing a Christmas resolution in the house, not a peep from the register about the resolutions for the other religions.

There is no doubt in any rational mind the Register leans left and it shows your ignorance when you call it "whining". Pointing out their bias is not whining. I could care less who they pick but one looking at the endorsements MUST take into account the history and leaning of the people doing the endorsing.