End the Iraq War.

imported_Shivetya

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uh, no.

If you want to stop the Iraq war I suggest you pummel your Congressmen, you do know who they are I hope, at their town meetings. Follow them throughout your state.

Think little websites like that one mean anything is beyond comment.
 

Red Dawn

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Bush and his Handlers don't listen to the Electorate, what makes you think they'll pay attention to that petition?
 

irishScott

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How about we end the war in Iraq by winning it?

It's possible, and I think that would be the best option.

Don't get me started on the effects that pulling out now would have.
 

randomint

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Originally posted by: irishScott
How about we end the war in Iraq by winning it?

It's possible, and I think that would be the best option.

Don't get me started on the effects that pulling out now would have.

bwahahahahahaha!

"by winning it"?

wait ..



ha ha hahahahahahahha!

what are you gonna do? "Stay the course"?

bwahahahahaha!
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Bush and his Handlers don't listen to the Electorate, what makes you think they'll pay attention to that petition?

Neither do the democrats in power in congress it seems.
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: randomint
Originally posted by: irishScott
How about we end the war in Iraq by winning it?

It's possible, and I think that would be the best option.

Don't get me started on the effects that pulling out now would have.

bwahahahahahaha!

"by winning it"?

wait ..



ha ha hahahahahahahha!

what are you gonna do? "Stay the course"?

bwahahahahaha!

No. By getting a solid ADAPTIVE plan on the table.

Also, major generals and other experts who are far more qualified to speak of this then either of us agree with me.


They can never beat us militarily. NEVER. Have you even looked at the approximate kill ratios between allied troops and insurgents? Therefore they must hope we withdrawal. This means they have to persuade the American public to make our troops withdraw. And judging by the looks of your post, they are succeeding.

If we pull out without a stabilized Iraq, the terrorist will win a victory that will last as long as they exist. Hell, they still idolize obscure Muslim victories from the CRUSADES.

It's us or them now, regardless of why we went in. Let's make sure it's us.

And if you think it's another Vietnam, remember we lost 35,000 some odd troops in Vietnam in the same amount of time as we have been in Iraq. To date we have lost less then 1/10th of that figure.
 

Aimster

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As much as I hate Bush and disagree with 99.9% of the things that come out of Republican's mouth ..

WE CANNOT END THE WAR.
 
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An online petition... :laugh:

I think the initial burst of laughter was so intense... Damn... I may be paralyzed from the toes down. Pray for me.
 

Sinsear

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LMAO.

Pulling out now would be a disaster.

Good luck with that petition.
 

jjzelinski

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Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: randomint
Originally posted by: irishScott
How about we end the war in Iraq by winning it?

It's possible, and I think that would be the best option.

Don't get me started on the effects that pulling out now would have.

bwahahahahahaha!

"by winning it"?

wait ..



ha ha hahahahahahahha!

what are you gonna do? "Stay the course"?

bwahahahahaha!

No. By getting a solid ADAPTIVE plan on the table.

Also, major generals and other experts who are far more qualified to speak of this then either of us agree with me.


They can never beat us militarily. NEVER. Have you even looked at the approximate kill ratios between allied troops and insurgents? Therefore they must hope we withdrawal. This means they have to persuade the American public to make our troops withdraw. And judging by the looks of your post, they are succeeding.

If we pull out without a stabilized Iraq, the terrorist will win a victory that will last as long as they exist. Hell, they still idolize obscure Muslim victories from the CRUSADES.

It's us or them now, regardless of why we went in. Let's make sure it's us.

And if you think it's another Vietnam, remember we lost 35,000 some odd troops in Vietnam in the same amount of time as we have been in Iraq. To date we have lost less then 1/10th of that figure.

You're fvcking crazy if you think our military "might" is going to make a damn bit of difference in Iraq, and it's that sort of thinking that got us into this mess to begin with. Comparing Iraq to Vietnam would reflect far to favorably on our current debacle as we don't get a nice little standing VC army to throw ourselves against. We get nothing.

What we'refighting in Iraq is terrorism, meaning we're fighting a war for consensus upon the battlefield of ideas. And we are losing miserably. How the hell do you expect to stabalize Iraq without the consent and willingness of Iraqi's? Are you going to FORCE compliance out of them? Gee, don't you think that will simply magnify their already significant resentment, and gee, don't you think that will just cause them to express their resentment violenty, like perhaps in the form of TERRORISM?

We're totally and completely outclassed here. All our "enemy" has to do is make their presence known by blowing ****** up occaisionally, while in fact causing minimal damage to our mighty military whereas we, the occupying force, have a far more difficult job.

You know what's funny about the whole thing? Our idiot populace is still crying havoc, still intent on "vanquishing the enemy", still completely missing the point.
 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: silverpig
Has an online petition ever accomplished anything?

It helped keep Dustin Camp in prison a while longer. But it probably had more to do with the fact he was guilty, and had screwed up his probation. Well that and he killed someone.
 

imported_dna

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I don't think an online petition will end the civil war in Iraq.

Seriously, people should stop using the term "war" in regards to the US Army's activities in Iraq.
 

jjzelinski

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Originally posted by: dna
I don't think an online petition will end the civil war in Iraq.

Seriously, people should stop using the term "war" in regards to the US Army's activities in Iraq.

mission accomplished
 

imported_dna

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Originally posted by: jjzelinski
mission accomplished

Does that negate what I said?

Congratulations! You just made fun of Bush without replying to anything.

Was there any point quoting me?
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: randomint
Originally posted by: irishScott
How about we end the war in Iraq by winning it?

It's possible, and I think that would be the best option.

Don't get me started on the effects that pulling out now would have.

bwahahahahahaha!

"by winning it"?

wait ..



ha ha hahahahahahahha!

what are you gonna do? "Stay the course"?

bwahahahahaha!

No. By getting a solid ADAPTIVE plan on the table.

Also, major generals and other experts who are far more qualified to speak of this then either of us agree with me.


They can never beat us militarily. NEVER. Have you even looked at the approximate kill ratios between allied troops and insurgents? Therefore they must hope we withdrawal. This means they have to persuade the American public to make our troops withdraw. And judging by the looks of your post, they are succeeding.

If we pull out without a stabilized Iraq, the terrorist will win a victory that will last as long as they exist. Hell, they still idolize obscure Muslim victories from the CRUSADES.

It's us or them now, regardless of why we went in. Let's make sure it's us.

And if you think it's another Vietnam, remember we lost 35,000 some odd troops in Vietnam in the same amount of time as we have been in Iraq. To date we have lost less then 1/10th of that figure.

You're fvcking crazy if you think our military "might" is going to make a damn bit of difference in Iraq, and it's that sort of thinking that got us into this mess to begin with. Comparing Iraq to Vietnam would reflect far to favorably on our current debacle as we don't get a nice little standing VC army to throw ourselves against. We get nothing.

What we'refighting in Iraq is terrorism, meaning we're fighting a war for consensus upon the battlefield of ideas. And we are losing miserably. How the hell do you expect to stabalize Iraq without the consent and willingness of Iraqi's? Are you going to FORCE compliance out of them? Gee, don't you think that will simply magnify their already significant resentment, and gee, don't you think that will just cause them to express their resentment violenty, like perhaps in the form of TERRORISM?

We're totally and completely outclassed here. All our "enemy" has to do is make their presence known by blowing ****** up occaisionally, while in fact causing minimal damage to our mighty military whereas we, the occupying force, have a far more difficult job.

You know what's funny about the whole thing? Our idiot populace is still crying havoc, still intent on "vanquishing the enemy", still completely missing the point.

Exactly. We're waging a war of PR. We've got to get the population on our side. Right NOW we are failing at this. Give the people in charge some credit. They know this and their working toward improving on this front.

On the other hand, the terrorist are waging beautiful PR in both Iraq and the US. Like I said in their previous post, their only hope is to outlast us and get us to withdraw. I also pointed out a few the ramifications of a loss in Iraq. This information alone should be enough to prompt us to stay.

What do you suggest we do? Pull out now? Put a time table on Iraq? Let the terrorists know exactly how long they need to last and give them even more motivation?

1. If we pull out, see my previous post for the effects on terrorist morale. (OMG we beat the Americans militarily (as it will be construed as) The warriors of Allah are greater then those of the baby-eating west. We will be in more danger then then we ever were.

2. All of the troops will have died for nothing if we pull out before the job is done.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: dna
I don't think an online petition will end the civil war in Iraq.

Seriously, people should stop using the term "war" in regards to the US Army's activities in Iraq.
I agree, quagmire would be more accurate.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: irishScott

All of the troops will have died for nothing if we pull out before the job is done.
How many more Americans must die because of the Dub's fsckup?
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: irishScott

All of the troops will have died for nothing if we pull out before the job is done.
How many more Americans must die because of the Dub's fsckup?

As much as you might want it to be, the mess in Iraq is not all on "the Dub's" shoulders.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: irishScott

All of the troops will have died for nothing if we pull out before the job is done.
How many more Americans must die because of the Dub's fsckup?

As much as you might want it to be, the mess in Iraq is not all on "the Dub's" shoulders.
Enough of it is to place the majority of the blame for this mess on him.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: irishScott

All of the troops will have died for nothing if we pull out before the job is done.
How many more Americans must die because of the Dub's fsckup?

As much as you might want it to be, the mess in Iraq is not all on "the Dub's" shoulders.
Enough of it is to place the majority of the blame for this mess on him.

Sure, if you want to discount everyone that voted for it, all of the intelligence that supported it, other countries that believed the same thing, a previous administration that believed the same thing, etc...

But none of that is important, down with the Dub!!! :thumbsdown::|:thumbsdown:

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: irishScott

All of the troops will have died for nothing if we pull out before the job is done.
How many more Americans must die because of the Dub's fsckup?

As much as you might want it to be, the mess in Iraq is not all on "the Dub's" shoulders.
Enough of it is to place the majority of the blame for this mess on him.

Sure, if you want to discount everyone that voted for it, all of the intelligence that supported it, other countries that believed the same thing, a previous administration that believed the same thing, etc...

But none of that is important, down with the Dub!!! :thumbsdown::|:thumbsdown:
Typical apologist. If he didn't give the word we wouldn't find ourselves in such a huge and disasterous mess. I'm sure if McCain of Gore would have been elected we wouldn't have fscked up and invaded iraq.

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: irishScott

All of the troops will have died for nothing if we pull out before the job is done.
How many more Americans must die because of the Dub's fsckup?

As much as you might want it to be, the mess in Iraq is not all on "the Dub's" shoulders.
Enough of it is to place the majority of the blame for this mess on him.

Sure, if you want to discount everyone that voted for it, all of the intelligence that supported it, other countries that believed the same thing, a previous administration that believed the same thing, etc...

But none of that is important, down with the Dub!!! :thumbsdown::|:thumbsdown:
Typical apologist. If he didn't give the word we wouldn't find ourselves in such a huge and disasterous mess. I'm sure if McCain of Gore would have been elected we wouldn't have fscked up and invaded iraq.


I know, bringing up facts that get in the way of your fanatical hatred of Bush makes me an apologist. Take off your crazy goggles for a minute, I am not making excuses for Bush. I am saying that there are a lot more people to blame than just him.

If congress didn't give him the authority to do it then it never would have happened either. If Saddam would have stuck to the UN resolutions after the first Gulf War then it never would have happened. Etc..