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Employee tardiness problem........
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3 strikes, document everything, tell him to arrive early if need by (1hr.) if job's important to him, if he can't get a ride from roommate tell him to leave 1 hrs. early from his home in order to get there at 8am....there is no excuse he should not have to rely on his roommate for transportation.
Man, you guys are strict. When I worked retail while in school, I was always on time, but my current office job is quite different. I was assuming most people with degrees and salaried jobs have the same kind of flexibility that I do. My work even lets me take time Tuesday and Thursday to go to one of my classes.
Our office opens at 8, but I usually don't get here until 8:30. Some people in my office don't get here until 9. However, I have things that must get done during the day and people don't bother me unless they don't get done. And there are plenty of times where I don't get lunch and I have to work late. I was working until 7 last night so I don't feel too bad coming in 30 minutes late. My boss has described it the same way.
He was a former military officer and said that everyone in the military was always 10-15 minutes early but EVERYONE left as soon as the clock hit 5. They lived and died by the clock. He now realizes that people come in late but often do extra work from home at night or stay late. I've gotten emails from fellow employees before at 1 or 2 am in the morning. As long as my services are cost-recovered (I work for a university), no one says anything.
My old boss used to come in around 10, take a lunch at noon, and usually left around 4. He also works for the university, and his boss was in a different building. Now that's bad. I don't think 10 minutes late is anything to worry about as long as the work gets done. That is, unless his job depends on his being there on time, but it doesn't sound like that.
Our office opens at 8, but I usually don't get here until 8:30. Some people in my office don't get here until 9. However, I have things that must get done during the day and people don't bother me unless they don't get done. And there are plenty of times where I don't get lunch and I have to work late. I was working until 7 last night so I don't feel too bad coming in 30 minutes late. My boss has described it the same way.
He was a former military officer and said that everyone in the military was always 10-15 minutes early but EVERYONE left as soon as the clock hit 5. They lived and died by the clock. He now realizes that people come in late but often do extra work from home at night or stay late. I've gotten emails from fellow employees before at 1 or 2 am in the morning. As long as my services are cost-recovered (I work for a university), no one says anything.
My old boss used to come in around 10, take a lunch at noon, and usually left around 4. He also works for the university, and his boss was in a different building. Now that's bad. I don't think 10 minutes late is anything to worry about as long as the work gets done. That is, unless his job depends on his being there on time, but it doesn't sound like that.
The only time I could see this being a big deal is in retail (as many others have said). Office jobs? Pfft. At my current job I only show up on Mondays/Wednesdays/Fridays in the afternoon for an hour or two and make sure everybody sees my face and know I'm still around. Tuesdays/Thursdays I work from home. I work part time and go to school so everybody seems to understand. I see this as beneficial for all involved. I'm free to work basically whenever I want. I work when work needs to be done, it's that simple. Sometimes that means 15 hours a week, sometimes that means 35. Whatever it takes though, the projects always get completed. I don't sit around the office just to "get the hours in" like everybody else. This way i'm not sucking 4 hours of "BS" time out of my company every day just to make sure i get in my 40 hour work week. What more could management possibly want then a worker who's only around when work needs to be done and leaves when he's not needed?
Maybe this is just my attitude because I could get canned and not care at all. Also i'm not pressed for money, I just work enough to pay the bills, and i've saved up enough i could lose my job and just go to school and survive for a couple of years easily.
Maybe this is just my attitude because I could get canned and not care at all. Also i'm not pressed for money, I just work enough to pay the bills, and i've saved up enough i could lose my job and just go to school and survive for a couple of years easily.
zerocool84
Lifer
I had somebody like this that was constantly late but they were the best worker in the whole store. If you really like this person as a worker, work with their schedule to help them not be late, if not then get rid of them because it may make you look bad for not getting rid of somebody that is being constantly late.
Chadder007
Diamond Member
Soo...he is doing the work, a good worker. Looks like your HR guy has some control issues with something that is basically frivolous as an extra 10 minutes.
tranceport
Diamond Member
I would promptly quit working for your company if you hassled me for 10 mins.
I also put in about 60 hours a week at the office. Another 20 from home sometimes.
I also put in about 60 hours a week at the office. Another 20 from home sometimes.
Chadder007
Diamond Member
LOL, I know so many of those type of "workers".
If he works hard and you dont want to lose him. Dont be a dumbass. Find a way to motivate him.
If you didnt want him around, then use it as an excuse to fire him.
10 minutes is not a good enough reason to fire someone that works hard.
Unless- you are a dumbass and want to lose good employees over archaic and decades old dogma?
If so, sweet. I'll hire him. He can come in 20 minutes late if he works hard.
If you have your panties in a bunch, just tell him when hes late that amount of time must be tacked on the end of the day.
Unless you are a good boss and you know how to motivate people 😀
farscapesg1
Senior member
I'm on the side of "10 minutes...big deal"
I work for a healthcare company. When I originally got hired my hours were 8:00 to 4:30. I'm not a morning person and always had problems getting there on time. Not only that, but I never got to leave at 4:30. So I talked to my boss and she adjusted it to 8:30 to 5:00. Every now and then she would talk to me about coming in late (usually 5-15 minutes). Basically, she said she was getting some complaints from someone else in the department about it being so busy in the morning. I sat down with her and went over my time schedule showing her that I wasn't getting out of the office until at least 5:30 (back in the days when I got overtime pay), while that other employee was always leaving right at 5:00 becuase he had a second job and was salary. It's been an ongoing issue, even after changing bosses (who also supports my work time). If they decide at some point that I have to be here at 8:30 on the dot, then that means I leave at 5:00 no matter what.
I like my job most days, but if they want me to work hard and take pride in my work, that means I have to have some leeway as to how I go about doing it. If they want to confine me to a set schedule with no flexibility, I won't like working and they will suffer more than me (I can always quit and live off my wife's salary if I had too). I work for the extra money and because I like working with computers, not because I feel any attachment or obligation to give the company my time and effort.
I work for a healthcare company. When I originally got hired my hours were 8:00 to 4:30. I'm not a morning person and always had problems getting there on time. Not only that, but I never got to leave at 4:30. So I talked to my boss and she adjusted it to 8:30 to 5:00. Every now and then she would talk to me about coming in late (usually 5-15 minutes). Basically, she said she was getting some complaints from someone else in the department about it being so busy in the morning. I sat down with her and went over my time schedule showing her that I wasn't getting out of the office until at least 5:30 (back in the days when I got overtime pay), while that other employee was always leaving right at 5:00 becuase he had a second job and was salary. It's been an ongoing issue, even after changing bosses (who also supports my work time). If they decide at some point that I have to be here at 8:30 on the dot, then that means I leave at 5:00 no matter what.
I like my job most days, but if they want me to work hard and take pride in my work, that means I have to have some leeway as to how I go about doing it. If they want to confine me to a set schedule with no flexibility, I won't like working and they will suffer more than me (I can always quit and live off my wife's salary if I had too). I work for the extra money and because I like working with computers, not because I feel any attachment or obligation to give the company my time and effort.
To the OP...
You are being a dick about the whole thing...
If the guy gets the job done and works hard while he is there, give him a break. Taking the bus is not an easy thing and it would suck that because of your ego, that poor guy would have to take an earlier bus (1 or 2 hours earlier)
Make him work through 1 break or come back a few minutes earlier from lunch.
What if he made it there before 8:00 AM, but took his time and did almost nothing during the entire day?
I work retail and I'm late almost every day. But while I'm there, I swear I can do 3 times as much as some of the other employees. Don't dare tell me to make it there before 8:00 AM just because...
You are being a dick about the whole thing...
If the guy gets the job done and works hard while he is there, give him a break. Taking the bus is not an easy thing and it would suck that because of your ego, that poor guy would have to take an earlier bus (1 or 2 hours earlier)
Make him work through 1 break or come back a few minutes earlier from lunch.
What if he made it there before 8:00 AM, but took his time and did almost nothing during the entire day?
I work retail and I'm late almost every day. But while I'm there, I swear I can do 3 times as much as some of the other employees. Don't dare tell me to make it there before 8:00 AM just because...
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