Emmy plane crash skit called Insensitive or how Mill got pwned

[Mill]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: Mill
I understand you people. Seeing Conan is all that matters. I truly feel a knot in my stomach everytime I see a plane crash on TV or in a movie. I couldn't even watch the First Final Destination. You can call me a PUSSY all you want, but let me kill your father in a plane crash, and then you go do a victory dance everytime you see one. You wouldn't. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes. I know what those families are feeling, and I know the hurt. You don't, so shut up.

It brings back painful memories. We get it. But think about all the people killed in boating accidents, starve to death, hit with a golf ball, drown, struck by lightning, murdered, raped, etc. Each of these people (or their relatives) will remember something about the incident that changed their life. They aren't pussies for not wanting to relive it, but they shouldn't force the other 6 billion people in the world to not relive it.

If we could never talk about or view anything that brings up bad feelings for people, we would have no TV, radio, music, books, etc...

And how often are those things parodied and joked about on a national broadcast?

At least once. Anything shown on TV is a national broadcast...

Do you know what a parody is? A parody is a humorous imitation of something serious and real. A parody must be intentionally and unquestioningly mocking a real event; they must be similar.

1) Kentucky took crashed on take off. Conan had turbulence mid air.
2) Kentucky crashed in the woods, on the ground. Conan crashed in the ocean,
3) Kentucky DIAF, there was only one survivor who was critical. No one in Kentucky met anyone famous. Conan washed up on an island and met a cast member of a TV show.

Other than a plane crash, please tell me where this is so similar and so mocking that it is a parody? The plane crash was the vehicle by which to get Conan on the island with the LOST case member. I guess they could have used a boat...but why would Conan take a boat across the country to get to the Emmy's?

You sir have no idea what a parody is, and just because a plane crash was used in a plot, it doesn't mean it is a parody of slightly similar events.

You have a very basic problem with your logic. I never once said they were parodying the Kentucky crash. You, sir, have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I said they were parodying plane crashes, and out of respect for the tragedy that day they should have pulled the skit.

I make a parody of Gerald Ford dying all the time, but now that he is in bad health I won't be doing it anymore. When he dies, I certainly won't think it is a proper way to respect him.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Mill
I understand you people. Seeing Conan is all that matters. I truly feel a knot in my stomach everytime I see a plane crash on TV or in a movie. I couldn't even watch the First Final Destination. You can call me a PUSSY all you want, but let me kill your father in a plane crash, and then you go do a victory dance everytime you see one. You wouldn't. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes. I know what those families are feeling, and I know the hurt. You don't, so shut up.

I've lost 3 family members to cancer, but I don't go around crying like a baby when a tv show has a cancer patient in it. Grow up and stop thinking the world revolves around you.

A sack full of turds has more logic skills than you. How often do shows PARODY or MAKE FUN OF cancer patients? Idiot.

That emmy show was making fun of crash victims?

Did you watch the skit?

yes, did you?

Yes, I did. Such a skit, mere hours after a major plane crash, should have been cut.

It is really fun reliving this all over again and wonder if my father was grabbing the seat and if his friends were screaming.

Say what you asshats want. You've never been there, and you lack a basic human social skill of empathy. One day you will experience a tragedy that devastates you, and then wonder why some people don't empathize with you. Guess their bull wasn't getting gored.

People die, get over this pedestal you're putting yourself on. I lost a cousin to an auto accident involving an semi but you don't see me fighting to all semi wrecks off tv because they are insensitive. I'm sure there was a tv show on that night that involved an accident, but what, my cousin isn't good enough for the PC/oversensitive crowd to get worked up over? It's the stupid media and a bunch of panty wastes making this a bigger deal than it should be.

 

[pinion9]

It is OK that *you* don't like to relive such things. However, there are hundreds of millions of people in this country that simply can't empathize with the particular situation. There are probably things you watch and laugh about that would be totally inappropriate for others. It is unfortunate that you had a loss, but please don't try to *make* everyone else feel your pain. My advice for you: if you see a comedian get onto a plane, please turn the channel.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: Mill
You have a very basic problem with your logic. I never once said they were parodying the Kentucky crash. You, sir, have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I said they were parodying plane crashes, and out of respect for the tragedy that day they should have pulled the skit.

I make a parody of Gerald Ford dying all the time, but now that he is in bad health I won't be doing it anymore. When he dies, I certainly won't think it is a proper way to respect him.

Why? We had a crash, an accident, involving 49 people. Let us assume that for each person who died 1000 people were affected (I don't even KNOW 1000 people, so...)

300 Million in America...at most this affected .16% of the population. A skit wherein someone happens to be in a plane that crashes and now they are exiled to a desert island with a cast member is not insensitive to most, and even if it was, so few were affected, does it really matter? (different than the terror attacks as those were terrorists, not some idiot pilot who can't read runway numbers)

Should we pull all reruns of Gilligan's island for the day if there is a boating accident?
Should we ban the movie "Speed" because someone got hit by a bus that day? What about the movie Pulse? I am positive someone died in a car crash that day, and there was a car crash in the movie, so it should be banned out of respect?

There was an episode of Scrubs where JD was locked in a water tower for a day. Should that episode be pulled because someone who was locked in a water tower might see it?

There was an episode of the Office where Dwight hits a pole and gets a bad concussion. Pull it?

Where do we draw the line? You tell me what a good number of injuries and casualties is and the time frame. Maybe we can come up with some FCC guidelines for sensitivity. :roll:

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: Mill
I understand you people. Seeing Conan is all that matters. I truly feel a knot in my stomach everytime I see a plane crash on TV or in a movie. I couldn't even watch the First Final Destination. You can call me a PUSSY all you want, but let me kill your father in a plane crash, and then you go do a victory dance everytime you see one. You wouldn't. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes. I know what those families are feeling, and I know the hurt. You don't, so shut up.

It brings back painful memories. We get it. But think about all the people killed in boating accidents, starve to death, hit with a golf ball, drown, struck by lightning, murdered, raped, etc. Each of these people (or their relatives) will remember something about the incident that changed their life. They aren't pussies for not wanting to relive it, but they shouldn't force the other 6 billion people in the world to not relive it.

If we could never talk about or view anything that brings up bad feelings for people, we would have no TV, radio, music, books, etc...

And how often are those things parodied and joked about on a national broadcast?

At least once. Anything shown on TV is a national broadcast...

Do you know what a parody is? A parody is a humorous imitation of something serious and real. A parody must be intentionally and unquestioningly mocking a real event; they must be similar.

1) Kentucky took crashed on take off. Conan had turbulence mid air.
2) Kentucky crashed in the woods, on the ground. Conan crashed in the ocean,
3) Kentucky DIAF, there was only one survivor who was critical. No one in Kentucky met anyone famous. Conan washed up on an island and met a cast member of a TV show.

Other than a plane crash, please tell me where this is so similar and so mocking that it is a parody? The plane crash was the vehicle by which to get Conan on the island with the LOST case member. I guess they could have used a boat...but why would Conan take a boat across the country to get to the Emmy's?

You sir have no idea what a parody is, and just because a plane crash was used in a plot, it doesn't mean it is a parody of slightly similar events.

You have a very basic problem with your logic. I never once said they were parodying the Kentucky crash. You, sir, have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I said they were parodying plane crashes, and out of respect for the tragedy that day they should have pulled the skit.

I make a parody of Gerald Ford dying all the time, but now that he is in bad health I won't be doing it anymore. When he dies, I certainly won't think it is a proper way to respect him.

You made a parody of someone dying!??!?!?

I know of MANY MANY people who have died. What kind of insensitive bastard makes people relive the pain of someone they know dying?? :|:|:|:|:|

I demand an immediate apology!!!

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Kevin1211
the skit was made days before the crash even happened.. its not like the crashed happened and NBC was like "hey lets do a plane crash!"... waaay too much overreaction..

Yet they had 12+ hours to cancel the skit / make a new one / put up a black bground with some scrolling text explaining the situation.

while they could have done such. why should they? people die every day. while a tragic accident there was no reason to pull the skit.

But you do NOT care because it didn't have an effect on YOU. If your bull was being gored you'd be bitching yourself, and you are a damn liar if you say otherwise. I've seen too many people on this forum try to play like they are above such petty crap, and then they go and complain about a local story in their newspaper, or that two lesbians kissed on TV.

This was a major disaster in the eyes of the aviation industry, and it ended almost five years of commercial flights without a major disaster. That's pretty big news to me and others, but since it didn't have an effect on your little corner of the world you don't give a sh!t.

It didn't effect 99.99999999% of the country either, so why the hell should the .0000001 affect the rest of the folks. Now 9/11 affected the whole nation as basically everyone in the country was involved. Sh1t, I'm afraid of clowns, does that mean that they should stop all circuses. Hell no, it means I don't go to the damn circus.

wait wait wait...backup.

YOU'RE AFRAID OF CLOWNS?????

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Kevin1211
the skit was made days before the crash even happened.. its not like the crashed happened and NBC was like "hey lets do a plane crash!"... waaay too much overreaction..

Yet they had 12+ hours to cancel the skit / make a new one / put up a black bground with some scrolling text explaining the situation.

while they could have done such. why should they? people die every day. while a tragic accident there was no reason to pull the skit.

But you do NOT care because it didn't have an effect on YOU. If your bull was being gored you'd be bitching yourself, and you are a damn liar if you say otherwise. I've seen too many people on this forum try to play like they are above such petty crap, and then they go and complain about a local story in their newspaper, or that two lesbians kissed on TV.

This was a major disaster in the eyes of the aviation industry, and it ended almost five years of commercial flights without a major disaster. That's pretty big news to me and others, but since it didn't have an effect on your little corner of the world you don't give a sh!t.

It didn't effect 99.99999999% of the country either, so why the hell should the .0000001 affect the rest of the folks. Now 9/11 affected the whole nation as basically everyone in the country was involved. Sh1t, I'm afraid of clowns, does that mean that they should stop all circuses. Hell no, it means I don't go to the damn circus.

wait wait wait...backup.

YOU'RE AFRAID OF CLOWNS?????

Killer Clown ............... from outer space

 

[preslove]

It was a reference to lost. Anyone offended by the skit needs a good punch to the fvcking face.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: Mill
You have a very basic problem with your logic. I never once said they were parodying the Kentucky crash. You, sir, have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I said they were parodying plane crashes, and out of respect for the tragedy that day they should have pulled the skit.

I make a parody of Gerald Ford dying all the time, but now that he is in bad health I won't be doing it anymore. When he dies, I certainly won't think it is a proper way to respect him.

Why? We had a crash, an accident, involving 49 people. Let us assume that for each person who died 1000 people were affected (I don't even KNOW 1000 people, so...)

300 Million in America...at most this affected .16% of the population. A skit wherein someone happens to be in a plane that crashes and now they are exiled to a desert island with a cast member is not insensitive to most, and even if it was, so few were affected, does it really matter? (different than the terror attacks as those were terrorists, not some idiot pilot who can't read runway numbers)

Should we pull all reruns of Gilligan's island for the day if there is a boating accident?
Should we ban the movie "Speed" because someone got hit by a bus that day? What about the movie Pulse? I am positive someone died in a car crash that day, and there was a car crash in the movie, so it should be banned out of respect?

There was an episode of Scrubs where JD was locked in a water tower for a day. Should that episode be pulled because someone who was locked in a water tower might see it?

There was an episode of the Office where Dwight hits a pole and gets a bad concussion. Pull it?

Where do we draw the line? You tell me what a good number of injuries and casualties is and the time frame. Maybe we can come up with some FCC guidelines for sensitivity. :roll:

First of all, 300 million people didn't watch the Emmys. Secondly, my problem was that it was something easy to take out, and something that no one would have missed. Contrary to NFS4's claims, there's no way anyone would have ever even noticed the missing part as it is 2006 and all.

Secondly, I'm not just saying this because it affected me personally, I am also saying it because I found it to be in poor taste. I realize everyone did not, however, no option was given to the people watching the Emmys whether to watch it or not. Lexington's NBC affiliate was not told such footage would be aired, and I find it hard to believe a media and PR empire like NBC couldn't have the foresight to tell them. What would they do? Simply dump the portion of the plane crash, and start the skit at the part where Conan was on the island.

It isn't an issue of political correctness. They can't say "fvck" on TV, either. Now, I think the FCC has been very heavy handed when it comes to what is allowed and what is not allowed. I think most things should be allowed if proper warnings are given. If a show is rated TV-MA, then someparents will either watch that with their older kids, or filter it for younger kids. The issue is that the people in Lexington were not given a choice.

Had this skit been played 1 month before or 1 month after I wouldn't think it was a big deal either. The difference was a major plane crash happened 12 hours before.

 

[tyler811]

I know it was not geared toward the crash but still.

 

[imported_JoePa]

OK here is a shocker. I don't think the families and friends of the people that were lost that day were watching the damn Emmy's hours later.

 

[iamwiz82]

But it's OK for Mill to make a joke thread saying he has cancer for April fools day

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1282155&enterthread=y&arctab=y

:roll:

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
But it's OK for Mill to make a joke thread saying he has cancer for April fools day

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1282155&enterthread=y&arctab=y

:roll:

**Slowly backs away from thread**

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
But it's OK for Mill to make a joke thread saying he has cancer for April fools day

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1282155&enterthread=y&arctab=y

:roll:

**Slowly backs away from thread**

May as well throw some gas on the fire.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
But it's OK for Mill to make a joke thread saying he has cancer for April fools day

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1282155&enterthread=y&arctab=y

:roll:

**Slowly backs away from thread**

May as well throw some gas on the fire.

*Pulls up lawnchair, gets comfy, cracks open beer*

Anybody care a :beer: while we watch the fireworks

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: tyler811

*Pulls up lawnchair, gets comfy, cracks open beer*

Anybody care a :beer: while we watch the fireworks

:beer:s for everyone!!

 

[skace]

If it were me, I'd cut the segment out and splice it into all sorts of random television, like kids shows and the evening news.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
But it's OK for Mill to make a joke thread saying he has cancer for April fools day

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1282155&enterthread=y&arctab=y

:roll:

Seriously dude that's just fvcking stupid to post something like. I lost a grandfather to prostrate cancer. My dad went thru surgery to have his prosate and all his lymph nodes removed, not to mention a year of chemo for prostrate cancer. Do you have any idea what its like to get a phone call and have your parent tell they dieing. They gave him a 15% chance of living. Thank God yes thats right Thank God he survived. Shame on you.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: tyler811
Seriously dude that's just fvcking stupid to post something like. I lost a grandfather to prostrate cancer. My dad went thru surgery to have his prosate and all his lymph nodes removed, not to mention a year of chemo for prostrate cancer. Do you have any idea what its like to get a phone call and have your parent tell they dieing. They gave him a 15% chance of living. Thank God yes thats right Thank God he survived. Shame on you.

That joke gave me cancer.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
But it's OK for Mill to make a joke thread saying he has cancer for April fools day

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1282155&enterthread=y&arctab=y

:roll:

I'm speechless.

 

[iamwiz82]

And just for the record, I'm not offended by any of these threads, skits, or jokes.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
But it's OK for Mill to make a joke thread saying he has cancer for April fools day

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1282155&enterthread=y&arctab=y

:roll:

Wow. I hope mill salted his feet before he ate them.

 

[Rufus12]

Sigh. I didn't think it was offending at all. The entire skit was having cameos of TV shows, and that part happened to be related to lost.

 

[CKDragon]

Wow, reading through the whole thread I was thinking about what a self-important windbag Mill was being... now he gets destroyed with his own April Fool's cancer joke.

OotY! OotY!

EDIT: Wow, here's the kicker from his April Fool's Day Thread about cancer:

Originally posted by: Mill on 04/01/2004
I'm trying to find the point in all of this. My father died in a plane crash. Does that mean I don't find plane crash jokes funny? Don't even say there aren't those kinds of jokes because there are. Does it mean I cringe anytime someone says something like that? No. I've lost people to cancer as well, but it doesn't mean I can't find a joke(which wasn't making fun of people with cancer) related to cancer funny. Freaking Lewis Grizzard used to make jokes all the time about his heart condition. People who get offended at this stuff are touchy, dry people. Some people who I actually offended I did apologize, but those of you who are piling on, or saying my mother's brothers' dog died from cancer is ridiculous. Who hasn't had a family member die from cancer?

If you can't find any humor in this then I apologize, but saying it can't be funny or it is sacred is stupid. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I knew there would be some that would be mad instead of laugh. I knew that. A risk I took. For the record I really do have a serious sleeping and fatigue problem, but even I can laugh at my own problems. I make fun of myself all the time. What's wrong with that?

I had a friend in Atlanta that used to always make jokes about Planes and stuff to bug me. He was Jewish so I started making Jewish jokes about him. Neither one of us took it personally, and we were not life long friends or anything. Just casual friends that knew how to have a good time. There would be a difference if someone was actually insulting you for you actual personal problem or insulting your family member. I've actually used the phrase "as funny as a train wreck" or "as funny as Flight 93" before. It isn't meant to make fun of people that suffered through something. Read into whatever you want. I knew this would become a "train wreck" or a "plane crash" because people are too damn touchy.

And yesterday he wrote:

Originally posted by: Mill on 08/30/2006
I understand you people. Seeing Conan is all that matters. I truly feel a knot in my stomach everytime I see a plane crash on TV or in a movie. I couldn't even watch the First Final Destination. You can call me a PUSSY all you want, but let me kill your father in a plane crash, and then you go do a victory dance everytime you see one. You wouldn't. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes. I know what those families are feeling, and I know the hurt. You don't, so shut up.

What a liar.

 

[tyler811]

LMAO saw a post from McBaine in there and his status was not lifer or elite or anything it was Banned Troll